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M1sterEd

M1sterEd

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Conservatism is cultural, social, and political philosophy and ideology that seeks to promote and preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values..
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy that emphasizes individual rights and freedoms, limited government, and rule of the law. It generally supports ideas like free markets, civil liberties,(like freedom of speech and religion) and democratic governance. modern liberalism, particularly in the US often advocates for a larger role government in addressing social and economic inequality.

What do you like or dislike about conservatism and or liberalism?
What are your thoughts about Independent political party?
If the Independent party were to grow and support the good found in the conservative and liberal political parties I would switch to the independent party. For now, I vote liberals based on the need for limited government, individual rights and freedoms not found in today's governmental regime.

Trying to be objective regarding the present administration. In past administrations the future of America was somewhat predictable but with President Trump and his overwhelming desire for power we are on the brink of dictatorship. in the past there were checks and balances to keep leadership within the norm of control. However, Congress continues to grant presidential power without regard to informing US citizens.
 
they're both two sides of the same coin, neither is for workers, the every day person, and they're all bought by corporations

it doesn't matter what they say they stand for because we can clearly see the results
 
someguyontheinternet said:
they're both two sides of the same coin, neither is for workers, the every day person, and they're all bought by corporations

it doesn't matter what they say they stand for because we can clearly see the results
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Conservatism and liberalism are bought by corporations? How exactly would a corporation buy a political philosophy? Maybe you mean the Republican and Democrat parties? In that case, wow... hot take.

M1sterEd said:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy that emphasizes individual rights and freedoms, limited government, and rule of the law. It generally supports ideas like free markets, civil liberties,(like freedom of speech and religion) and democratic governance.
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I think this is actually a good definition, much better than I'm used to seeing. I think there's nothing wrong with a person holding more traditional values but for a society to function you need to cast a wider net. Allow for individual freedom of thought and expression but ensure a more neutral framework for government where a sensible balance can be achieved.

The fringes on both sides of the political spectrum right now are actually extremely illiberal. The whole horseshoe theory basically.
They both have authoritarian tendencies and a disregard for public institutions. Both willing to appeal to silly populist slogans. Both have an irrational aversion to compromise and moderation.

Not to mention the glorification of radicalism and political violence.
 
mal3volent said:
Conservatism and liberalism are bought by corporations? How exactly would a corporation buy a political philosophy? Maybe you mean the Republican and Democrat parties? In that case, wow... hot take.



I think this is actually a good definition, much better than I'm used to seeing. I think there's nothing wrong with a person holding more traditional values but for a society to function you need to cast a wider net. Allow for individual freedom of thought and expression but ensure a more neutral framework for government where a sensible balance can be achieved.

The fringes on both sides of the political spectrum right now are actually extremely illiberal. The whole horseshoe theory basically.
They both have authoritarian tendencies and a disregard for public institutions. Both willing to appeal to silly populist slogans. Both have an irrational aversion to compromise and moderation.

Not to mention the glorification of radicalism and political violence.
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the politicians who represent those views and the people who follow the politicians

the purpose of a system is what it does, stated ideology and purpose doesn't matter when we clearly see the results
 
paranoid android said:
They are one and the same. Fuck em both
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Yeah, I'm sure Kamala and the democrats would've passed absurd tax cuts for the top 1%, slashed Medicare/medicaid, and called in the national guard to enforce massive ICE raids.

No wonder Trump got re-elected when those who should be opposing him shrug their shoulders and toss out such weak platitudes.
 
mal3volent said:
Yeah, I'm sure Kamala and the democrats would've passed absurd tax cuts for the top 1%, slashed Medicare/medicaid, and called in the national guard to enforce massive ICE raids.

No wonder Trump got re-elected when those who should be opposing him shrug their shoulders and toss out such weak platitudes.
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yea having Kamala in office would have given us 4 more years of the same BS with nothing improving and being gaslit by our leaders until the next trump comes along, or just trump again

the democrats don't do anything
 
someguyontheinternet said:
yea having Kamala in office would have given us 4 more years of the same BS with nothing improving and being gaslit by our leaders until the next trump comes along, or just trump again

the democrats don't do anything
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I suppose some may be in such privileged positions they don't even notice the difference.

Kinda funny how Trump is Hitler/a fascist/a rapist/a con man/a felon/a narcissist , one of the worst humans on planet earth according to the same exact people who are now saying, eh, no biggie. Might as well let him have control over our government for another 42 months.
 
mal3volent said:
I suppose some may be in such privileged positions they don't even notice the difference.

Kinda funny how Trump is Hitler/a fascist/a rapist/a con man/a felon/a narcissist , one of the worst humans on planet earth according to the same exact people who are now saying, eh, no biggie. Might as well let him have control over our government for another 42 months.
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I'm not sure who's saying "no biggie" perhaps you can enlighten me
 
mal3volent said:
Kinda funny how Trump is Hitler/a fascist/a rapist/a con man/a felon/a narcissist , one of the worst humans on planet earth according to the same exact people who are now saying, eh, no biggie. Might as well let him have control over our government for another 42 months.
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on bl or generally?

i'm not seeing this either so i'd appreciate an example or two.

alasdair
 
there has been a lot of finger pointing at voters as if they have a say in the Democratic party being good for nothing and the republicans being authoritarian fascists

as if voters who are pissed off, rightfully so, at the incompetence of the political leadership are responsible for the actions of politicians

people have been expressing their disapproval but apparently people like Chuck Schumer just make up a family in their head, who magically agrees with all their decisions, rather than talking to their actual constituents

people can't vote for good options if they aren't given any
 
Shambles said:
Seems from the outside that the US is in a similar position to the UK when it comes to their political options.

Right wing or far right wing. And, if you’re as lucky as us in the UK and have at least a third party: even farther right wing.

Absolute clownshow.
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yea you guys at least used to have a labour party. its been a while since they actually fought for workers though
 
alasdairm said:
on bl or generally?

i'm not seeing this either so i'd appreciate an example or two.

alasdair
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I think it's quite obvious from several comments expressed recently that have created an equivalence between the two parties (two sides of the same coin, etc) and also specific comments about how Kamala wouldn't have been much better than Trump. A general overall ambivalence towards the question of Harris vs Trump. I heard it over and over again for months leading up to the election and since. Not just here but on discord as well. SGOTI likes to frequent the same discord server I was scolded for being in (rules for thee but not me, I suppose), so I've heard the same kind of sentiments there, too.

So yes on BL, but also generally. The current trend amongst politically minded youngins is to not accept that as responsible adults we must choose the lesser of two evils. I posted a bunch of numbers before about voting amongst age demographics, but they've all been moved away so i can't be fucked to find them again. Most of them would rather not vote or vote for a third party to keep their social credit score up. If you vote for Harris you're complicit in genocide. And somehow, magically, letting Trump back in the White House for another four years will "force them to wake up". Will it? I'm not so sure. Even if it does, is it worth the cost? Not sure the families being torn apart right now would be so enthusiastic about this strategy.
 
i'm still confused.

my read is you're saying some people are calling him a fascist but at the same time it's no biggie and just give him another 42 months.

it seems contradictory, no?

alasdair
 
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