betterThanBeer
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Hello and thank you for your time!
I have read through many threads and now would like to ask for further assistance.
My friend is trying to choose between two commercial and legal sources of GBL from the NL to then convert it into GHB.
A) Source A is a 1% cellulose and 99% GBL cleaning product with a red label and cap on it. The product has been reported to be "good" by man users online. My friend had good 4 year long experience with the shop in the past when they still offered "pharma" grade GBL to private customers. The GBL contained in their new cleaner is called "super grade" and the test sheet of the manufacturer reads as follows:
Super - grade
Appearance: Colourless or light-yellow liquid
Assay: (w/%) Specification Min. 99.7% Result = 99.78%
Water: (w/%) Specification Max. 0.05% Result = 0.019%
Colour: Specification Max. 15 Results = 5
Their "pharma" grade product in comparison reads:
Appearance: Clear, colourless liquid
Purity (by G.C): Specification Min. 99.5% Result = 99.85%
1,4 Butanediol(G.C.): Specification Max. 0.1% Result = ND
Other impurities: Specification Max. 0.5% Result 0.141%
Acid as Butyric Acid: Specification Max. 0.03% Result = 0.009%
M.C % (by K.F.): Specification Max. 0.1% Result = 0.035%
Colour APHA: Specification Max. 20 APHA Result = 10 APHA
B) Source B still offers pure, liquid GBL to private customers (I wonder why shop A has decided against this - legal risks?) with a promised purity of 99.78% matching the "super" grade.
My friend has no former experience with the shop but it appears to be legit. I have found someone in a forum saying they got their order but didn't use it themselves. There is unfortunately no official test sheet.
MAIN QUESTIONS:
1) Can commercially produced GBL with a purity of about 99.5% or higher generally be assumed to be pretty safe in terms of toxic byproducts? Or are there very different commercial production methods which could each yield around 99.5% however due to the different methods used the .5% of impurities might greatly differ in their composition and toxicity?
2) Can the detection of 1,4 BDO in a sample indicate a certain way of synthesis was used and could a sample containing 1,4 BDO therefore be considered safer or less safe than a sample of the same overall purity but without traces of 1,4 BDO?
3) To what extend could the use of activated charcoal or other relatively simple measures help to reduce the presence of impurities?
The reason my friend asks this is because they have the ability to have the products tested in a lab. However they only offer a "qualitative" analysis which they said meant they can only detect the % of GBL or other pharmacologically active substances such as 1,4 BDO.
This means that the sample from source A) would have unreliable test results since the 1% of cellulose can not be differentiated from other impurities. One could take this 1% into the calculation but there is no guarantee the sample contains precisely 1% of cellulose and so the remaining impurities can not be accurately quantified.
As someone who hardly understands chemistry and the production process of GBL as well as the potential hazards posed by impurities he has a hard time judging their dangers at all.
Based on these testing abilities, some deduction and simple purification steps of commercial, clear looking GBL, how safe can he assume these products to be?
He is aware that GBL itself even if it was 100% pure can pose very great risks on it's own when abused and handled not very carefully.
Any inputs and suggestions are greatly appreciated. I will continue reading through DF, Bluelight, Rhodium and other sources to try and get a better understanding myself.
I have read through many threads and now would like to ask for further assistance.
My friend is trying to choose between two commercial and legal sources of GBL from the NL to then convert it into GHB.
A) Source A is a 1% cellulose and 99% GBL cleaning product with a red label and cap on it. The product has been reported to be "good" by man users online. My friend had good 4 year long experience with the shop in the past when they still offered "pharma" grade GBL to private customers. The GBL contained in their new cleaner is called "super grade" and the test sheet of the manufacturer reads as follows:
Super - grade
Appearance: Colourless or light-yellow liquid
Assay: (w/%) Specification Min. 99.7% Result = 99.78%
Water: (w/%) Specification Max. 0.05% Result = 0.019%
Colour: Specification Max. 15 Results = 5
Their "pharma" grade product in comparison reads:
Appearance: Clear, colourless liquid
Purity (by G.C): Specification Min. 99.5% Result = 99.85%
1,4 Butanediol(G.C.): Specification Max. 0.1% Result = ND
Other impurities: Specification Max. 0.5% Result 0.141%
Acid as Butyric Acid: Specification Max. 0.03% Result = 0.009%
M.C % (by K.F.): Specification Max. 0.1% Result = 0.035%
Colour APHA: Specification Max. 20 APHA Result = 10 APHA
B) Source B still offers pure, liquid GBL to private customers (I wonder why shop A has decided against this - legal risks?) with a promised purity of 99.78% matching the "super" grade.
My friend has no former experience with the shop but it appears to be legit. I have found someone in a forum saying they got their order but didn't use it themselves. There is unfortunately no official test sheet.
MAIN QUESTIONS:
1) Can commercially produced GBL with a purity of about 99.5% or higher generally be assumed to be pretty safe in terms of toxic byproducts? Or are there very different commercial production methods which could each yield around 99.5% however due to the different methods used the .5% of impurities might greatly differ in their composition and toxicity?
2) Can the detection of 1,4 BDO in a sample indicate a certain way of synthesis was used and could a sample containing 1,4 BDO therefore be considered safer or less safe than a sample of the same overall purity but without traces of 1,4 BDO?
3) To what extend could the use of activated charcoal or other relatively simple measures help to reduce the presence of impurities?
The reason my friend asks this is because they have the ability to have the products tested in a lab. However they only offer a "qualitative" analysis which they said meant they can only detect the % of GBL or other pharmacologically active substances such as 1,4 BDO.
This means that the sample from source A) would have unreliable test results since the 1% of cellulose can not be differentiated from other impurities. One could take this 1% into the calculation but there is no guarantee the sample contains precisely 1% of cellulose and so the remaining impurities can not be accurately quantified.
As someone who hardly understands chemistry and the production process of GBL as well as the potential hazards posed by impurities he has a hard time judging their dangers at all.
Based on these testing abilities, some deduction and simple purification steps of commercial, clear looking GBL, how safe can he assume these products to be?
He is aware that GBL itself even if it was 100% pure can pose very great risks on it's own when abused and handled not very carefully.
Any inputs and suggestions are greatly appreciated. I will continue reading through DF, Bluelight, Rhodium and other sources to try and get a better understanding myself.