Cocaine + Alcohol

[SlightlyStoopid]

So, I know combining alcohol and cocaine should be avoided due to the production of cocaethylene, among other things... but seeing how alcohol is a vasodilator and cocaine is a vasoconstrictor... and they have opposite effects on blood vessels, does that mean they cancel each other out... or what?

Just wondering what happens when you combine the two, seeing how vasodilators widen blood vessels to improve blood flow and lower blood pressure, and vasoconstrictors narrow blood vessels to raise blood pressure. So, what happens when you combine the two?

(Mainly wondering because I do combine the two sometimes, usually after doing cocaine for a while because I'll get anxiety and alcohol helps me relax. I take it easy, though... I don't go crazy. Just enough alcohol to relieve the anxiety.)

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm definitely not a doctor or pharmacist, so take some salt with this explanation.

Drugs can cause effects that are essentially in opposite of one another. There are stimulants and sedatives for instance. This is a common thing that we discuss here on Bluelight, as combinations of powerful sedatives and powerful stimulants has been an especially lethal cocktail for some time now.

It's best not to look at these drugs as polar opposites of one another. It's not as if they will cancel each other out on some atomic level. The dilation or relaxation of blood vessels is an end result respectively of these drugs, but it's not as if they arrive at these effects via identical means, if that makes sense. These drugs trigger extremely complex processes in the body that ultimately lead to things like dilation of blood vessels. However, it's not as if Alcohol is the opposite to Cocaine. Both drugs here do widely different things inside the body and produce totally different profiles of effects.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not so simple as one force against another. You're really looking at two completely different forces that act both independently and that are also influenced by one another. In short, it's just way more complex than saying one cancels out the other.

In some ways, yes something like a sedative can "cancel out" aspects of a stimulant and vice versa. There is going to be the aspect of one force competing with another, but in practice, this combination of effects is not as simple as balancing an equation.

For instance here, Alcohol and Cocaine combine to produce Cocaethylene, which is a synergistic third compound that enters the mix that is like a supercharged combination of the two separate substances. With all of these different forces interacting and feeding off one another, it can get really complicated trying to look at it like a balancing of an equation.

I truly think this post might amount to nothing more than complete nonsense. I just want posterity to know that I tried.

 

[Quasimoto]

but seeing how alcohol is a vasodilator

alcohol is only a vasodilator in low doses, in high doses it turns into a vasoconstrictor

 

[SlightlyStoopid]

I'm definitely not a doctor or pharmacist, so take some salt with this explanation.

Drugs can cause effects that are essentially in opposite of one another. There are stimulants and sedatives for instance. This is a common thing that we discuss here on Bluelight, as combinations of powerful sedatives and powerful stimulants has been an especially lethal cocktail for some time now.

It's best not to look at these drugs as polar opposites of one another. It's not as if they will cancel each other out on some atomic level. The dilation or relaxation of blood vessels is an end result respectively of these drugs, but it's not as if they arrive at these effects via identical means, if that makes sense. These drugs trigger extremely complex processes in the body that ultimately lead to things like dilation of blood vessels. However, it's not as if Alcohol is the opposite to Cocaine. Both drugs here do widely different things inside the body and produce totally different profiles of effects.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not so simple as one force against another. You're really looking at two completely different forces that act both independently and that are also influenced by one another. In short, it's just way more complex than saying one cancels out the other.

In some ways, yes something like a sedative can "cancel out" aspects of a stimulant and vice versa. There is going to be the aspect of one force competing with another, but in practice, this combination of effects is not as simple as balancing an equation.

For instance here, Alcohol and Cocaine combine to produce Cocaethylene, which is a synergistic third compound that enters the mix that is like a supercharged combination of the two separate substances. With all of these different forces interacting and feeding off one another, it can get really complicated trying to look at it like a balancing of an equation.

I truly think this post might amount to nothing more than complete nonsense. I just want posterity to know that I tried.

Thank you, man... and no, I was legitimately wondering. It was just a random question who I thought someone on here with some knowledge might be able to answer. What you said makes sense, though... so thanks for explaining.

 

[new2drugs]

And still I've yet to find anyone I know who just takes cocaine by itself when out having fun... always mixed with drink due to being in the pub or a party.

 

[new2drugs]

Pub toilets are used a lot and naturally people are drinking loads at the time.

You see them coming back and perking up and ready for more drink. Usually that's the time they order shots and get mad for it

 

[jasperkent]

Alcohol and Cocaine combine to produce Cocaethylene, which is a synergistic third compound that enters the mix that is like a supercharged combination of the two separate substances. With all of these different forces interacting and feeding off one another, it can get really complicated trying to look at it like a balancing of an equation.

^this^

Cocaethylene is powerful stuff and lasts longer than cocaine alone. Back in my hard-partying days it was one of my favorite highs. I'd compare it to a high-energy opioid high and for me it was extremely addictive.

Be careful.

 

[new2drugs]

^this^

Cocaethylene is powerful stuff and lasts longer than cocaine alone. Back in my hard-partying days it was one of my favorite highs. I'd compare it to a high-energy opioid high and for me it was extremely addictive.

Be careful.

I'm not sure I like it. Prefer straight cocaine