Cobaea Scandens aka Cathedral Bells: What Is Their Purpose?

[Mindphlux Forever]

Alrighty Bluelight how goes it? This SWIM's first post here so we're gonna try and do this the right way

For about a year now SWIM has been researching common plants and seeds which contain psychoactive compounds, alkaloids, etc. Today, SWIM was at the local market gathering supplies when he came across a packet called Cobaea Scandens.

The blooms reminded SWIM of Passionflower so he picked up the packet to inspect. Sure enough, the back contained a warning stating "Seed contained herein is for planting purposes only". SWIM was very excited and rushed home to research more on this new find. To his dismay, the internet turned up no results on what exactly these seeds contain that would call for such caution. 8(

Do any users have an idea on what chemicals reside in Cobaea Scandens seeds?

 

[Mindphlux Forever]

Shameless self-bump. It's in the Cobaeaceae family and also called "Cup and Saucer Vine"
It seems that it may be related to Ipomea? Any info at all here would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Mindphlux Forever]

Wow, nothing at all on this? I always thought this place was rather helpful before

 

[phr]

Have you tried Erowid?



I'm thinking maybe you're in the wrong forum on BL... PD maybe?

 

[Mindphlux Forever]

I've looked all over Erowid and every other relevant site. And I am not sure what compounds are present in these seeds, much less their effects. I have found that they are a close relative of the Ipomea genus, so I am guessing the seeds may contain ergot alkaloids. The flower itself however, reminded me somewhat of Passiflora so maybe it is a source of harmine? I highly doubt the latter but I do suspect contents such as ergotmetrine and lysergol.

Since there is no conclusive evidence gathered to indicate what chemicals are present, I figured OD will be a good home for this until more research has been conducted. The seed vendor didn't slap a warning on this package for the hell of it. Because of this, I am very enthused about getting more background on this discovery and I invite everyone else who may be able to contribute to please do so!

I will be looking into this extensively until further notice.

 

[sixpartseven]

So, I may be misreading what you're saying, but is the "Seed Contained Herein is for Planting Only" your only indication that it might be psychoactive? I've seen that warning on many non-psychoactive seeds, so that doesn't mean anything. Some seeds may be toxic, some may have toxic chemicals on them, etc.

And please don't bump your own threads, especially every 10 - 20 minutes. First of all, you're asking about something that you are unable to find information on, meaning people here will probably have just as much information to offer you. If someone doesn't have an answer, they aren't going to post no matter how many times you bump it. Second, it's unfair to all the other posters of threads with questions just as legitimate as yours. Constantly pushing it up to the top, pushing other threads down is not very respectful behavior here.

I'm also not sure if this should stay here or go to PD, so I'll move it to PD and see if anyone has anything to offer, and if not, I'll see about putting it back here in OD.

 

[Mindphlux Forever]

I have found that they are a close relative of the Ipomea genus, so I am guessing the seeds may contain ergot alkaloids.

My indication aside from the warning label on the packet.

I bumped to give additional background on my question then waited an hour for response. Didn't think that was an issue, lol.

Since there is no conclusive evidence gathered to indicate what chemicals are present, I figured OD will be a good home for this until more research has been conducted.

So why does this belong in PD?


I think you misread the majority of what I typed.

 

[Propyl Power]

Whatever that warning was for, I think you can rest assured that it is not referring to any psychoactivity. There do not seem to be any such references on the internet, and I have never seen it mentioned in any ethnobotanical encyclopedias (Schultes, Ott, Ratsch, etc...)

EDIT: And what makes you think they are a close relative of Ipomea? Because they are both in the Asterids clade? That is a HUGE group of plants... & Ipomea & Cobaea are in very different taxonomic orders... so they don't seem to be particularly 'close'.

 

[sixpartseven]

My indication aside from the warning label on the packet.

I bumped to give additional background on my question then waited an hour for response. Didn't think that was an issue, lol.

So why does this belong in PD?


I think you misread the majority of what I typed.

Well, in the very beginning of my first post, I did clearly say "I may be misreading what you're saying," so yeah, you're probably right about me misreading it

I most definitely missed the first part about the relation to ergot alkaloids, but if that's the case, why would this thread NOT belong in PD? The most famous ergot derived drug is LSD, a potent psychedelic. We do not discuss psychedelics in OD.

Trust me, these PD folks are smart people, if there is an answer out there, they will have it. PD is basically OD in that it has a large base of very knowledgeable users, it's just much more peaceful and focused on different types of drugs than OD

You're in good hands..

 

[Klue]

So, I may be misreading what you're saying, but is the "Seed Contained Herein is for Planting Only" your only indication that it might be psychoactive? I've seen that warning on many non-psychoactive seeds, so that doesn't mean anything. Some seeds may be toxic, some may have toxic chemicals on them, etc.

Yep, this is it. In the home garden you can use Sulphur powder when you're storing seeds to helps damping off when they are sown (Damping off is a fungal disease, so the chemicals are probably mainly fungicides)

This is the best resource I could find.

 

[pharmakos]

you might want to ask on the forums over at entheogen.com instead. there's a lot of plant buffs that spend most of their time over there.