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Benzos Closest to Clonazepam

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YingYang05

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Hi there, i was wondering from all the legal benzos out there which one comes closest to clonazepam in effects, had a change of doc and had mine cut off even though i wasn't abusing. Here are the the only ones im aware of.

Etizolam
Flubromazepam
Pyrazolam
Diclazepam

Thanks
 
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Based on reports, pyrazolam is said to be wonderful for social anxiety with absolutely no other typical benzo effects (brain fog, sedation, etc)

Maybe someone with more experience with them will chime in here.

There is one thing to keep in mind though. Benzos can be extremely addictive and if you're taking these RC benzos and something interrupts your supply (they get scheduled, the vendor goes out of business, they aren't selling well (which will probably be the case with pyrazolam as nobody finds any recreation in it), etc) then you can put yourself in a situation where you hit benzo withdrawal and end up stuck.

I would get a new doctor if you feel that you really need benzos because RCs are variable and benzos are a sensitive matter. I would get etizolam if you are planning on using online ordered chems as opposed to a doctor since it is the only one of those that actually is available as a packaged retail pharmaceutical product. Still, I highly recommend not relying on obscure benzos over those prescribed by a doctor. If you choose to do so, make sure you always have at least two weeks of extra pills on hand in case you have to emergency taper off of them.
 
Phenazepam is closest to clonazepam isn't it, chemically speaking. Right?

Imho and I've done tons of benzos and clonazepam is closest to phenazepam. Just as mellow, just as chill, just perfectly not in your face while not being not too mellow. And to boot you get to wake up high.

Just lay that shit on blotter or wake up 3-4 days later with no memory and no phenazepam.
 
Boupstarnm said:
Phenazepam is closest to clonazepam isn't it, chemically speaking. Right?

Imho and I've done tons of benzos and clonazepam is closest to phenazepam. Just as mellow, just as chill, just perfectly not in your face while not being not too mellow. And to boot you get to wake up high.

Just lay that shit on blotter or wake up 3-4 days later with no memory and no phenazepam.
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Dunno about chemically, but effects, I think not. No good feeling, just no anxiety->take more->instablackout, just my opinion.

It definitely needs volumetric dosing. Someone stole a gram from me once not knowing what the fuck it was, and his bitch ass was fucked for a month, like drunk constantly. Constantly banging at my APT door "PLZZZZZZZZ BE MY FRIENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD." Always ignored it but it made me a bit anxious. Crazy shit, crazy times.
 
In my experience (which is all I have to offer), beyond being in the same family of drugs, Xanax and Klonopin have little in common. All I get from Xanax is an extremely quick onset (in fact I just realized I get a mirco-rush when I sublingually take Xanax), extreme anxiolytic effects--and extremely probable yet unpredictable varying degrees of memory loss. Hits fast and hard, but it doesn't last long enough for my tastes.

Etizolam doesn't have shit on Clonazepam, let's get that out there. Yes, Etizolam is easier to acquire, and cheaper, but the way people keep shouting about it I predict the drug will be scheduled in yesterday flat (not that there won't be 3 replacements). Etizolam is more like Xanax with a slower onset, slightly more euphoria, slightly longer duration, slightly lower potency, and is the most addicting (at least when speaking of the desire to compulsively re-dose, I abused the hell out of this chem and abrupt stops never bothered me--which I understand is quite lucky). Only buy Intas brand Etizolam in blisters (sorry can't tell you sources) if you decide on this chem. I know, believe me I do, how tempting it is to get eti or phenaz powder, but that is just asking for bunk shit and worse yet danger.

No I haven't tried any of the other chemicals you've listed, regrettably--all are on my Christmas list. Be sure to understand there is a difference between benzodiazepines and theinodiazepines. I don't have a helpful analogy at hand because I don't fully understand the difference myself, but I do love that most people don't test for theino's, which is a big plus.

As far as closest diazepine to Clonazepam (my go-to) that I've found? Bromazepam. Don't believe it's prescribed in the states, but that shouldn't stop you. It is very much like clonazepam, only maybe a little more sedating. I absolutely love the stuff.
 
Blind Melon said:
In my experience (which is all I have to offer), beyond being in the same family of drugs, Xanax and Klonopin have little in common. All I get from Xanax is an extremely quick onset (in fact I just realized I get a mirco-rush when I sublingually take Xanax), extreme anxiolytic effects--and extremely probable yet unpredictable varying degrees of memory loss. Hits fast and hard, but it doesn't last long enough for my tastes.

Etizolam doesn't have shit on Clonazepam, let's get that out there. Yes, Etizolam is easier to acquire, and cheaper, but the way people keep shouting about it I predict the drug will be scheduled in yesterday flat (not that there won't be 3 replacements).
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Same thing with the retrograde amnesia and alprazolam for me.
I'd agree with that about Clonaz>Etiz on a mg v mg level, but I dunno when adjusted.

And I hope not.

As for theino vs benzo

There is a diazepine ring and instead of a benzene functional group attached to it, it is a thiophene one. Substitutions on the rings produce the variety of effects.
I dunno if oxycodone vs hydrocodone would work as an analogy, I'm no chemist, but they're both derived from thebaine and very similar.
 
^ Thanks for the info, but I still don't think we have a good analogy to differentiate the two sub-classes(?)

Because both oxycodone and hydrocodone are both Opiate analgesics, not Opioids or Opiate/oid antagonists... I'm quickly leaving my realm of understanding. But I know that both oxycodone and hydrocodone show up as codeine or thebaine on drug tests, not morphine, and I'm not sure you could tell one from the other. I know oxycodone breaks down into oxymorphone, and hydrocodone to hydromorphone... but again, I'm getting lost. Where's some one like Captain.Heroin, we need an expert.
 
Blind Melon said:
^ Thanks for the info, but I still don't think we have a good analogy to differentiate the two sub-classes(?)

Because both oxycodone and hydrocodone are both Opiate analgesics, not Opioids or Opiate/oid antagonists... I'm quickly leaving my realm of understanding. But I know that both oxycodone and hydrocodone show up as codeine or thebaine on drug tests, not morphine, and I'm not sure you could tell one from the other. I know oxycodone breaks down into oxymorphone, and hydrocodone to hydromorphone... but again, I'm getting lost. Where's some one like Captain.Heroin, we need an expert.
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I'm so confused by your post.
An opiate is a chemical that is derived DIRECTLY from the latex of P. Somniferum (thebaine/morphine/codeine)
An opioid is ANY chemical that binds to the opioid receptors (Agonist/Antagonist/Inverse agonist/Partial-Agonist/Partial... and so on) Salvinorin is an opioid, even though it binds to the kappa receptor and is a disassociative.
Hydrocodone and oxy are the definition of an opioid and are agonists (derived from the opiate, but as far as I know non-opioid thebaine), meaning they bind and elicit a response (the only antagonists I know of are naltrexone or naloxone/narcan which bind and do nothing).
As for metabolism, "Hydromorphone is metabolized to hydromorphone-3-glucoronide which has no analgesic effects. Like the morphine metabolite, morphine-3-glucoronide," they're broken down the same way as morphine because they're being broken down using the same P450 enzymatic pathway. I dunno about the drug/test metabolite part, (dipstick tests produce many false positive just when structures are similar. I believe they work by using an enzyme which turns color in the presence of a particular molecular structure, I could be wrong, and it's just a simple reagent like whats used in X testing kits).
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Anyways.

Edit: On the thebaine, so It might actually be an opioid, but only it's non-naturally occuring steroisomer

"The "unnatural" enantiomer (+)-thebaine does show analgesic effects apparently mediated through opioid receptors, unlike the inactive natural enantiomer (-)-thebaine"

A way to test would be if naloxone negates the analgesia, then it is an opioid. One of the most used ways to test that method of action.

Edit2: I don't know how we got here in a thread about clonazepam, but I'll stop, way far off topic, though I doubt the OP will receive a definitive answer, only a few subjective opinions.

I'll get back on topic. Upon looking there are thienobenzodiazepines: "a heterocyclic compound containing a diazepine ring fused to a thiophene ring and a benzene ring. Thienobenzodiazepine forms the central core of some pharmaceutical drugs including olanzapine."

Olanzapine is an atypical anti-psychotic. That's nuts.

And no pun.
 
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^ I understand the difference between Opiates and Opioids. I never said antagonist. I said analgesic. And I'll be the first to admit, I have no idea what the difference between an Opiate analgesic and an Opiate agonist are. Yes, I understand why Bupe works, and why. Yes, I understand Naloxone.

No, you are wrong. "Hydrocodone and Oxy are the definition of opioids" They are not opioids, they are Opiates, they hit all three receptors. Let's not argue, there will be no winner, the more I speak the more I reveal how little I know, and you seem to be in the same boat, so let's be friends. I was just asking for someone with extensive 'diazepine knowledge to break down the difference between benzo and theino diazepines to us non-chemists, in a language we can understand.
 
Blind Melon said:
^ I understand the difference between Opiates and Opioids. I never said antagonist. I said analgesic. And I'll be the first to admit, I have no idea what the difference between an Opiate analgesic and an Opiate agonist are. Yes, I understand why Bupe works, and why. Yes, I understand Naloxone.

No, you are wrong. "Hydrocodone and Oxy are the definition of opioids" They are not opioids, they are Opiates, they hit all three receptors. Let's not argue, there will be no winner, the more I speak the more I reveal how little I know, and you seem to be in the same boat, so let's be friends.
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No fight <3
Dude, but I win 4 sure:

"An opioid is any psychoactive chemical that resembles morphine or other opiates in its pharmacological effects. Opioids work by binding to opioid receptors, which are found principally in the central and peripheral nervous system and the gastrointestinal tract. The receptors in these organ systems mediate both the beneficial effects and the side effects of opioids.

Although the term opiate is often used as a synonym for opioid, the term opiate is properly limited to the natural alkaloids found in the resin of the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum), while opioid refers to both opiates and synthetic substances, as well as to opioid peptides."



Does hydrocodone resemble the effects of morphine? Pretty sure it does. Hit all three receptors? Probably, action is determined by how strongly it binds to said receptor. Analgesics bind to the mu receptor (named for morphine), others bind to others (kappa, delta, epsilon).

As for revealing how little I know, go ahead and point out where I'm wrong with a citation. I just had to wiki opioid man.

Not all opioids are opiates, but all opiates are opioids, you see?

No more responding before I get banned for being off topic or something.
 
Etizolam is more expensive than clonazepam if you look in the right places for Rivotril and nothing is going to substitute for clonazepam. Hell look how many people who start on clonazepam can't even handle a cross over to diazepam for tapering purposes! There's quite a few on the benzo support forum I used to frequent. Clonazepam is a beast of its own, it even has effects on serotonin.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Etizolam is more expensive than clonazepam if you look in the right places for Rivotril and nothing is going to substitute for clonazepam. Hell look how many people who start on clonazepam can't even handle a cross over to diazepam for tapering purposes! There's quite a few on the benzo support forum I used to frequent. Clonazepam is a beast of its own, it even has effects on serotonin.
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I'll vouch clonazepam was one of the stronger ones, even beat temazepam in amnesia and removal of inhibitions and anxiety relief, and was more sedating. Phenazepam the most fucked up and least fun, but that's just cause it was powder and I was probably ODing each time with 4day blackouts. How can you stop a blackout from continuing when you can't reach your consciousness? Mg-4-Mg Clonazepam FTW. I, however find alprazolam stronger, causes even more amnesia, and shittier than clonazepam. 1mg of clonazepam with no tolerance got me in a nice place, even nicer than the temazepam 30mg if I remember correctly. I had no tolerance, was depressed, and popping that shit like candy.

But they (Clon/Tem/Phen) got me into shit, so i told my doctor that I tapered already to shut off the benzo faucet.

Definitely a good idea, been woken up in my car by a cop 1 too many times (at least i pulled over, right?).


Captain.Heroin said:
Clonazepam will most resemble flunitrazepam and nitrazepam. They are all nitrobenzodiazepines.
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Now would yuh please tell Blind Melon he's wrong plz: "you are wrong. "Hydrocodone and Oxy are the definition of opioids" They are not opioids, they are Opiates, they hit all three receptors.".
 
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Considering that they regularly prescribe clonazepam and SSRIs together, I don't think its very common but good find. That would actually explain the nasty side effects that I had from Lexapro and Celexa while I was on clonazepam. I never even thought to link the two together!
 
phenazepam is closer to clonazepam then the other legal benzo I have tried, etizolam. In fact I managed to get an 8 mg of phenazepam a day habit, and when I checked myself into detox they detoxed me with clonazepam starting at 6 mg a day and I noticed very little negatives in the switch to clonazepam, and the detox went very smoothly. I haven't tried Flubromazepam but from what I've read it seems pretty similar to clonazepam and it has my interest peaked (I prefer the muscle relaxing, long lasting benzos like kpins over the short acting hypnotic and more anti-anxiety acting benzos like xanax)
 
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