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FrostyMcFailure

FrostyMcFailure

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Is THC citric acid soluable?
Does citric acid break down thc?
Is this as effect as alcohol in suspending/removing THC from surfaces?
Damage to the compound is not a factor of concern or what im asking.

I may be onto something that will potentially help many a pot head in the future.
 
citric acid is a solid at room temp so you couldn't dissolve thc in it. it melts at 153C. citric acid would not dissolve in liquid thc either because citric acid is polar/ionic and thc is non-polar.
 
Acetic acid as in vinegar-is stronger than citric acid both are excellent grease cutters-and THC is fat soluable. Vinegar breaks down fatty concentrates. So yes it does break down thc and can assist in passing a drug test, as it also changes the pH in the saliva as well.
 
LivingInTheMoment said:
Acetic acid as in vinegar-is stronger than citric acid both are excellent grease cutters-and THC is fat soluable. Vinegar breaks down fatty concentrates. So yes it does break down thc and can assist in passing a drug test, as it also changes the pH in the saliva as well.
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super thanks. Vinegar breaks down better then citric? Would the acid in lemon juice remove thc build up or degrade/break down the compound upon exposure?
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
super thanks. Vinegar breaks down better then citric? Would the acid in lemon juice remove thc build up or degrade/break down the compound upon exposure?
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what exactly are you leading to here?

im assuming its something with drug testing if you havent mentioned it yet. please enlighten us lol
 
ranunky said:
citric acid is a solid at room temp so you couldn't dissolve thc in it. it melts at 153C. citric acid would not dissolve in liquid thc either because citric acid is polar/ionic and thc is non-polar.
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Citric acid also dissolves in absolute (anhydrous) ethanol (76 parts of citric acid per 100 parts of ethanol at 15 degrees celsius.
 
clamjuice said:
what exactly are you leading to here?

im assuming its something with drug testing if you havent mentioned it yet. please enlighten us lol
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Totally agree, he delays his enlightening-testing ..testing ...testing-never ends!

Yes, thc is broken down as a process.

Frosty, everything has to go through the liver, and the break down takes place through it, and thc is stored in the fat cells and a process is needed through the liver in breaking down fat and this takes time, but what exactly are you getting at?

Please enighten us-as clamjuice is asking! Who is the tester and who tests who?
 
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No one answered the ? and your enlightenment is not the next step on my "to do" list.

I didnt mentioned the liver and THC being fat soluble is unrelated to the matter at hand.

When exposing citric acid to THC on metal will the THC be removed or dilute into the citric. Perhaps the THC would break down into other chemicals upon exposure?
 
Well!!

(((...Is THC citric acid soluable? Does citric acid break down thc? Is this as effect as alcohol in suspending/removing THC from surfaces? Damage to the compound is not a factor of concern or what im asking. I may be onto something that will potentially help many a pot head in the future.... )))

>A) We answered the ? that you placed across in your first post and again in your post 8.

It seems you are adding as we go on with the answers and you even complicate them as you get the answers, to make them extend, that in the end, we would have to go back to uni to aquire a degree on THC, just to answer your perplexing questions-perplexing as to where you are going with this?

>B) Our enlightenment is not the next step on your "to do" list, that says a lot! It seems you are going to weave a lot lot more! Hence, why should we anwer your unending questions which have no logical explanation as to why you are asking them?

>C You didn't mention the liver, but the way you are placing your tricky questions imply it!!!

ie.,>Would the acid in lemon juice remove thc build up or degrade/break down the compound upon exposure? << It implies it here! Upon exposure? No, but through a process!

^^^^If it was none of the above, you should have worded your original question differently and be more to the point of your recent question!!!



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FrostyMcFailure said:
When exposing citric acid to THC on metal will the THC be removed or dilute into the citric. Perhaps the THC would break down into other chemicals upon exposure?
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This is a totally new question Frosty-and requires a new thread! It' s a new topic and I wonder whether it has a legimitate need for an answer! :\


Seems to me, you didn't really want to accept any descent answer-nor to say so!

So I would say, it will be left open-without telling us where were you getting with all this? No answer again-at any time-this time!
 
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I Don't believe citric acid will break down the THC that easyly!

Even with a strong mineral acid, like sulfuric acid, is is used to isomerize cannabidiol to THC in a reflux condition, both in reaction time and temperature and THC is a final product. So why such a weak acid like citric breaks THC down?

If what you mean is the THC is coating on some surface and spraying it with citric acid solution or something to make it degrade I doubt this is going to happen.

It is more prone to aerial oxidation to cannabinol. (where the C ring of the molecule is oxidized to an aromatic ring.) which this breakdown product will be detectable instead.

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LivingInTheMoment said:
Citric acid also dissolves in absolute (anhydrous) ethanol (76 parts of citric acid per 100 parts of ethanol at 15 degrees celsius.
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In that case, the question would be whether or not THC dissolves in ethanol.

In any case, the crux of the issue here appears to be whether or not THC is broken by citric acid.

The answer is yes. If you mix THC and citric in a solution of ethanol, the citric will break down the THC due to it's acidity - according to you LITM. The chemist in me would like more details on this please. A link to research that deals with THC breakdown by acids would be much appreciated. :)

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If you want to know whether or not cirtic acid would break down THC in the body, the story is a little different: THC and it's metabolic byproducts are absorbed by fat in fat cells, due to their lipophilic nature. These compounds leak slowly back into the bloodstream and then into the urine. In order to eliminate these smoking gun chemicals, the citric acid, or more specifically, the H+ ions from the citric acid, would have to get into the bloodstream to reach the fat cells. There are phisiological reasons why this cannot/must not happen.

Assuming that the H+ ions will be absorbed in the first place, and assuming that they will distribute evenly about the body, it can be inferred that in order for the THC to reach a low enough pH to be broken down, the rest of the body must also be brought to this pH. I know from biology that the the blood is maintained in a tight pH range, it must be held between 7.35 and 7.45, only .1 pH unit. A large deviation outside this range would kill you. Even a change to a pH of 6.5 would be far to large, that would be 6.3 times more protons in the blood, impossible to do without killing yourself. I assume that the pH of the solutions that LITM is referring to would be far lower than 6.5.


If you want to know if citric acid could be used to remove THC from a metal surface then the answer may be yes, if LITM is correct. A much easier way to remove THC from metal would be to use hot water and a detergent, washing up liquid would be effective.

If you mean spreading powdered or small crystals of solid citric acid on a metal surface which has THC on it, the citric will not react with the THC. To do so, they would need to be in solution together because they do not mix well on their own, as I have explained in my previous post.
 
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Thanks Ranunky, that response was exactly what i was looking for!
A link to research that deals with THC breakdown by acids would be much appreciated.
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I also would love to see this as well.

The above post answered my curiosity and much more. That sort of response is exactly i was looking for as opposed to catching drama from Lil Ms. Attitude.
Seems to me, you didn't really want to accept any descent answer-nor to say so!

So I would say, it will be left open-without telling us where were you getting with all this? No answer again-at any time-this time!
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Your perceived "decent answers" presented at that time werent too helpful to the topic in mind. Secondly, I dont feed into this type of behavior, i dont deal with it. Please move on if a snobby attitude is all your willing to contribute.

Ill post down the quotes i found especially interesting though it will be tough without posting the whole post.

If you want to know whether or not cirtic acid would break down THC in the body, the story is a little different: THC and it's metabolic byproducts are absorbed by fat in fat cells, due to their lipophilic nature. These compounds leak slowly back into the bloodstream and then into the urine. In order to eliminate these smoking gun chemicals, the citric acid, or more specifically, the H+ ions from the citric acid, would have to get into the bloodstream to reach the fat cells. There are phisiological reasons why this cannot/must not happen.
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To do so, they would need to be in solution together because they do not mix well on their own, as I have explained in my previous post.
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testing = Gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS)
 
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