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Chinese medicine - acupuncture and diet

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I've always been somewhat sceptical about some of the claims made surrounding acupuncture but had some (seemingly) good results last year when I got treatment for depression from a family member who is a practitioner. Since then I moved to another city and the old black dog returned with a vengeance so I looked up a community acupuncture clinic that provides cheap treatment for low-income people. They diagnosed me have having "damp heat" for which they prescribe dietary changes as part of the treatment. Now, I am somewhat sceptical that my "qi" is stagnant like claimed but I figure it can't hurt to give it a shot anyway because, if nothing else, eating healthily and cutting fatty meats and fried food out of my diet can't be a bad thing (not that I ate a huge amount of that kind of stuff anyway but, whatever). I've had to cut chilli out of my diet, which is sad because I do enjoy hot food, although I've always known that it doesn't agree with my digestive system so is probably for the best. Now I'm looking at incorporating suggested foods into my diet and coming up with recipes around them. So things like corn, kidney beans, asparagus, cabbage, watercress, apple peel (be damned, I'm going to eat the whole apple), blueberries, cranberry etc etc etc. I've always had digestive problems so it all kind of makes sense even if "qi" is a load of woo, will be interested to see what results I get from it.

So has anyone else ever followed an acupuncture diet? What were you diagnosed as having? Did you get any noticeable results? How did you go combining the prescribed foods into fun and delicious meals?

Tonight I made a chicken soup and just filled it with veges supposedly useful for resolving "damp heat" - so corn, zucchini, celery, carrot, cabbage and flavoured it with soy sauce.

I went to a fruit and veg store and just bought a bunch of the recommended foods and now have a fridge full of things like lentil sprouts, asparagus and broccolini and now have to find creative ways to turn them into something healthy and delicious.
 
My g/f is a licensed accupuncturist/TCM (4 years of school after college) and I am always being told I have damp heat or liver qi stagnation, etc. I have never had her tell me to get on an acupuncture diet but she is always telling me to eat healthier. I mainly use acupuncture for stress relief and sometimes for breathing issues (asthma).

I will say knowledge and access to certain herbal formulas have helped me much more then prescription meds mainly in the allergy and colds/flu fields. I also love her constant prodding of my channels, so relaxing. I would suggest having a gua sha massage done in conjunction with the acupuncture, that's my favorite.

I really should take more advantage of her knowledge, I keep telling myself next week.
 
Ok so... to start with, one thing you have to understand is that TCM diagnosis and treatment predates modern science by about 2,500 years. Their philosophical model for describing the body and its conditions comes from a combination of many sources, mostly Daoism and Buddhism. Because of the way they describe things, a lot of modern people tend to dismiss it. The interesting thing (and the reason why I became a TCM practitioner) is that although they use a different epistemology, there are still conditions they can identify and treat that modern medicine doesn't yet know about or understand. Theirs is the only other unbroken/uinterrupted and complete diagnostic/treatment model in the world, apart from the western medical tradition. The problem is that their methods cannot be translated to the modern way, so in order to apply those therapies, you have to use their model and world view.

Qi stagnation can have many sources. In a nutshell, it means that the body's circulation (whether it be lymph, blood, body fluid, or "other") has been hampered. Flow has slowed down, congealed, and become stagnant. If the liver qi is stagnant, then it can manifest one of two ways: one is anger, one is depression. One of the things TCM knows but modern medicine doesn't is that when certain body organs are ailing, there are manifestations in the spirit of the person. Anger/depression is a liver manifestation.

Damp-heat is more of a pathogenic description. If your body is damp inside it means that it is unclean. Body fluid circulation is not optimal, so extracellular fluid is not moved away in a timely manner, and it stagnates. Dampness can go anywhere in the body, but its origin is always the digestive system. If you have damp digestion then you have poor appetite, loose stool, poor absorption, and your tongue coating will tend to be gross. (The tongue coating shares the same epithelial lining as the rest of your GI, so a dirty tongue coating means your GI has unhealthy build up in it.) The best way to avoid dampness and its residues is to eat clean food. If you tend to have water retention and feel cold, which is another way you could define dampness, then your kidneys are sluggish and they need to pick up the pace.

Heat can come from many sources. If dampness builds up in the body, it can turn to heat by trapping your body's metabolic energy from properly dispersing. It's like carrying around a layer of water in your tissues, which prevents internal heat from dissipating properly, causing it to build inside. That heat in turn causes pathology. Another source of heat is the liver itself. Qi stagnation can turn to heat. As the qi of the body is oppressed more and more, and circulation is impeded, the qi remains lodged in the centre and turns to heat. In attempting to translate "liver heat" to modern terms, I see it as a build up of metabolites that the liver cannot properly excrete due to lacking the precursors (like glutathione) to expel them. As metabolites build with nowhere to go, the liver stores them, and it causes heat. Hormone metabolites backing up in the liver queue is maybe a reason for moodiness too. Anyway, back to heat --> damp-heat makes the body more susceptible to infection, and it creates smelly situations: hot, smelly stool, dark urine, bad breath, etc. Sometimes liver heat is the source of the "heat" in damp-heat, so by helping the liver the heat part goes away.

I could go on and on. It's very complicated (but interesting), and it takes 4-5 years of study to really start grasping it.

According to the principles of the shi liao diet, the liver reponds best to foods that are green or sour in property. (Bitters, in general, enter the liver and are later excreted as bile.) A good example of this combination is a raw green salad containing many kinds of veggies, with a vinegar based dressing. The raw enzymes of the plant material give the liver the constituents it needs to detox the body, while the vinegar (sour) helps channel the substances to the liver more effectively.

It's worth mentioning that these principles are not confined to a so-called "acupuncture diet", or even eastern philosophy. Western herbalism uses the same properties.

If you have a damp heat situation, I recommend adding a few dandelion leaves to your salads, or the raw root to your soups. If you have dandelion growing on your property, then now is the time of year that is best for harvesting. The root is depleted of its sugars because of over-wintering, so the medicine in it will be strong; and the new leaves starting up in the spring are tender and perfect for munching on. The milky substance in the leaves and root provides your liver with the power to detox. Dandelion cools heat, drains dampness, and "sooths liver qi". Don't use it forever, just during the spring time which is usually when the liver needs the most help. Don't buy dandelion in stores because it won't be strong.

Other herbs you can consider are milk thistle and burdock root.

Food wise: avoid heat forming foods like spicy and greasy; avoid damp or mucous forming foods like dairy, high sweet, high salt, and processed foods.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhvBTy28VJM "I do not hit, it hits all by itself"

I discovered TCM and Acupuncture the other way around. I discovered qi as a force that can be used to hurt and destroy. I dont necessarily suggest this is the same path everyone take for coming to the same sort of realization or awakening about the energies that flow through the Universe, but you wont be thinking qi is a "load of woo" if you receive some real internal injuries from it sometime. Itd be all the more convincing when the source of emission is something barely half your size and not old enough to drive a car. Many years later Im finding myself having the same abilities, the same abilities all humans have, and the concept of qi has become completely normalized to me. "It" - the knowing of ones self, ones energy, ones qi, is as normalized as a concept as paying taxes, general etiquette for a first date, going to the post office, or frying some vegetables. I think it helps to have as open a mind as possible when it comes to concepts behind TCM and Acupuncture, and understand that its as normal as pie for billions of people throughout thousands of years.

TCM and Acupuncture were first tools which healed my body from training injuries. Now theyre a Way of life. I know how to avoid getting sick altogether. I know how to be physically independent to the very last day of my life. I know how to heal injuries rapidly and in such a way that they dont compromise my body years down the road - better yet, they make me stronger. I know how to optimize my energy levels and how to harness the energies in the environment around me into my own body and my own energy. The greatest of all is the knowing of my place in the grand cosmic scheme, of not only knowing but of being the same life energy that exploded ~13.7 billion years ago into stars, planets, and orangutans. Its more than a pile o' facts. Its a state of being, of becoming the knowledge itself. The knowing that solid matter is really an illusion, and I am a being of pure energy, I am "it." TCM will likely be a lifelong fascination or me, and there is enough knowing to be had to fill a lifetime. Daoist food combining sciences have improved my life in ways I couldnt have previously imagined. Acupuncture has me convinced that all of the marvels of modern civilization pale in comparison to the power trapped within the human body, and I look at the modern medical industry as a bizarre, barbaric, and willfully ignorant system. The Way of sex has helped heal a lifetime of repression of sexual identity and behavior, and turned such things into additional systems of healing and wellness. Its helped me make sense of personal philosophies I had neither the courage to embrace nor the words to describe. Its now the underlying concept with which I see the whole world around me.

Ive already forgotten what the other side is like - what its like to think that this 2500 year old system is "folklore." I can say I never appreciated the sun until I understood the existence of my own qi. Over time, Ive forgotten what it feels like to be a completely separate object from the greater system at large, to view the Universe as mechanus and a fine tuned arrangement of gears and bits, and to accept modern technology and medicine at face value. Now I am reading half of the posts in this forum about prescription medicines, and Im having visceral, emotional, and very compassionate reactions. I forgot what its like to associate hospitals with healing. I forgot what its like to see mechanically arranged molecules of chemicals and binders and dyes and suspension agents and heavy metals and preservatives as sources of healing and wellness. I forgot what its like to be ignorant to a sense of debt as it pertains to health, and ignorant of a sense of balance and homeostasis. I forgot what its like to be convinced that the time and place of my existence is somehow the pinnacle of human achievement, and what its like to be so lost in my own sense of cultural ethnocentrism that my mind is unable to take something like TCM seriously.

Im ignorant now to what I used to be, in a way. So all I can say is dont knock it, its pretty badass. Give it an honest, committed try, with an open mind.

I dont have much to add other than whats already been said. You could rattle on about the benefits of certain rules, or sub systems, or how this dietary adjustment will produce your desired effect, or about how a certain breathing pattern at a certain time of day will increase your ability to relieve some other stress, and so on. It doesnt help the uninitiated much to just observe these individual "rules" without the greater context. Its not very immerse to just receive some treatment, diagnosis, herbs to take home, and then to stare at the whole thing like its foreign, outdated, and irrelevant. The mind first has to become naive again, like a small child learning to learn, and then let one's self become fully immersed in these systems for a bit. Dont settle for learning a few little details, commit to learning everything, at least make it a goal for some time. It may take a year or so to grasp a good understanding of qi, if youve lived your life without any such concept. After a while, TCM starts becoming quite genius, especially in that nagging way of knowing the sort of changes, comforts, and familiarities that need to be sacrificed in order to be the best person you can be. Or at least, become the person you want most to be. We have to step outside our current cultural attachment to quick, easy, thoughtless, uncommitted solutions to everything. Understanding takes commitment and will.

Ive been very depressed recently, and just typing this out was the motivation I needed to go upstairs and meditate in the sun.
 
^ Great writeup! Thanks for that. A lot of what you say resonates with me, especially the perceptual shift from looking at TCM as a backward, foreign system to having it as a way of life. It's been the same for me. My health has never been this optimal in my entire life, and it just keeps getting better. Understanding my internal qi dynamic and the dyamic of the outside world in relation to it has really broadened my horizons.

The patients I treat who have the best recovery and prevention are the ones who are keen to learn about the philosophy itself, and begin observing the patterns in their daily lives. Those people see me as a faciltator of their process, rather than someone who is there to fix them. People who come to me for symptom management or to be "cured" entirely through my efforts don't get the same benefit.

I try my best to translate some of the foreign concepts to modern ways of viewing the world, but it's a fine line and often it can't be walked. A lot of people in today's privileged society expect to be spoonfed information on their own terms, through their cultural lens. If they are beckoned to step outside of it in order to learn a different way, they accuse it of being folklore. That's the main obstacle I've encountered. But... those boundaries start to disappear when those same people become tired of 'sick care' and start seeking real healing.
 
Could you recommend some kind of reading material, if one wants to achieve a better understanding of those forces/dynamics/patterns/qi you're talking about? I would like to broaden my horizon in this regard and i prefer to do so by reading.
 
^ There are different modalities for how qi is used. Do you want books from the medicine angle (TCM), qigong (more meditation), taiji (more martial arts)?
 
That's hard to answer because all of those aspects sound interesting. But to start somewhere, i'd say medicine.
 
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