Cannabis destroyed my son. It is just as bad a drug as heroin

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Paul Fisher, diagnosed as a schizophrenic after years of drug abuse, committed suicide at the age of 34

A CANNABIS smoker killed himself after years of drug abuse turned him into a paranoid schizophrenic.
Paul Fisher smoked the drug for 10 years before he tragically took his own life as his mental state worsened.

Now his distraught mother is calling for a change in drug laws in order to prevent more people falling victim to cannabis.

Mr Fisher, 34, was first diagnosed as a schizophrenic in October 2003 after he became paranoid.

He spent six months at the private Priory clinic at Hove before being transferred to Riverdene adult mental health rehabilitation unit in Coldeast Way, Sarisbury Green.

But staff – who disputed his original diagnosis and said he was suffering from mental and behavioural problems related to substance misuse – discharged him into the community after eight weeks.

He sought help from a consultant psychiatrist six months later after his condition deteriorated.

Dr Anna Mylnick – who confirmed Mr Fisher was a paranoid schizophrenic – prescribed anti-psychotic medication as well as referring him to the community psychosocial team in Portsmouth.

However Mr Fisher did not collect his medication and he also failed to turn up for at least three further appointments.

An inquest into his death in Portsmouth heard that Mr Fisher had smoked cannabis for about 10 years but had stopped taking the drug about six months before his death.

His condition gradually deteriorated and he cut his throat at his home at Clarendon House, Clarendon Road, Southsea, on July 4 2005.

Mr Fisher was rushed by ambulance to Queen Alexandra Hospital, Cosham, where he was pronounced dead.

A post-mortem examination revealed he died from blood loss caused by the three-and-a-half inch laceration to his neck.

Coroner David Horsley recorded a verdict that he took his own life as a result of his illness.

Now hismum, Carol, 61, is calling for a change in the law to deter other people from taking the drug.

Cannabis has been a class C illegal drug since 2004 and results of a government review on whether it should be reclassified are expected next year.

Mrs Fisher, from Abshot Road Titchfield Common, said: 'People don't understand what cannabis can do to them. I think it is terrible that it has been declassified.

'If Paul hadn't smoked cannabis he would be here today. My Paul was kind, considerate and well mannered. He wouldn't hurt a fly. He helped everybody else but he just couldn't help himself.

'When he had been taking drugs he changed. He was argumentative and withdrawn. He would lock himself away in a room all day and he wouldn't consider anybody else. He changed completely.

'People need to know this drug destroys lives – it destroyed my son and the lives of people around him.

From being a perfectly lovely young man Paul ended up becoming ill and killing himself.

‘Cannabis is as bad as heroin – why can’t it be treated as the same class of drug?’

Portsmouth South MP Mike Hancock said: ‘At the moment we punish the users but not the dealers. I support the government review that is taking place and I believe this should be a case study for parliamentary review.

‘If there is strong evidence to support the case this poor man suffered from schizophrenia as a direct result of cannabis use it deserves close scrutiny and should form part of the evidence the government takes into consideration when the future classification of cannabis is discussed.’

Portsmouth North MP Sarah McCarthy-Fry said: ‘I am desperately sorry for Paul Fisher’s parents and commend what they are doing to raise awareness.

‘I support the review the government is doing and I think cannabis should be reclassified, both because of the link between the drug and mental illness and the growing strength of cannabis.’

Substance misuse manager for the Safer Portsmouth Partnership Alan Knobel said: ‘There are much stronger strains of cannabis around now - such as skunk - that are much more hallucinogenic, so it is only right to review whether it should remain a class C drug.

‘At the moment someone can be given just a reprimand or warning for possession, whereas if it was a class B drug that person could be arrested and charged.

‘Britain had one of the strongest laws on cannabis until it was regraded but we still have one of the highest numbers of users in Europe. If having stronger laws doesn’t act as a deterrent maybe we need to do more to educate people about the dangers.’
 
I love how they blame cannabis blatantly as the culprit, even though the genius didn't take his prescribed medication and didn't follow up regularly with a psychiatric health professional. Could that have contributed to his condition?

You don't have to be brilliant to figure that one out. That bitch is just ackin' a fool because her son died. She'll get over it.
 
Roger&Me said:
the genius didn't take his prescribed medication and didn't follow up regularly with a psychiatric health professional. Could that have contributed to his condition?

Exactly. Not to mention the article says he stopped smoking weed 6 months before he died.

She says, "had he never started smoking cannabis, he'd still be here with us"

I'd be willing to say, had he never STOPPED smoking weed, he's still be here with us.
 
Well really- the guy decides he doesn't want to take his meds and kills himself. And it's the cannabis he had been smoking that was the culprit?

I don't doubt the link between cannabis use and psychosis, but c'mon, the evidence is far from causative.

I feel sorry for the woman, but I've been diagnosed schizophrenic, bipolar, schizoaffective, and on and on.

My current remitance is about 3 years long (from psychotic or full-blown manic symptoms, anyway) and it's at a time when I used cannabis at the heaviest.

Maybe I'm just due.
 
I've always been curious.

What are the symptoms of schizophrenia?

What about being bi-polar?

I just want to make sure I don't have it. :(
 
As an exdope fiend, I must say heroin is much better than cannabis. Does anyone else find the concept of comparin heroin to marijuana offensive? None of you straight potheads know what addiction really is.
 
The mother is wrong but I can see why she says it. Still doesn't make her correct though.
 
twgburst said:
As an exdope fiend, I must say heroin is much better than cannabis. Does anyone else find the concept of comparin heroin to marijuana offensive? None of you straight potheads know what addiction really is.

A "straight pothead" wouldn't be ignorant enough to compare heroin to cannibis.
 
Offensive? No, not really. I've included two large lists of symptoms taken from emedicinehealth.com (award for most retarded name goes to...)

It's rather long, and I apologise for that in advance, but I think it's worth making available in this thread- perhaps it can provide impetus for a person to get help, or a someone else will recognize this in a relative or friend and be able to get them help.

Schizophrenia:

Schizophrenia Symptoms

Usually with schizophrenia, the person's inner world and behavior change notably. Behavior changes might include the following:

* Social withdrawal
* Depersonalization (intense anxiety and a feeling of being unreal)
* Loss of appetite
* Loss of hygiene
* Delusions
* Hallucinations (eg, hearing things not actually present)
* The sense of being controlled by outside forces
A person with schizophrenia may not have any outward appearance of being ill. In other cases, the illness may be more apparent, causing bizarre behaviors. For example, a person with schizophrenia may wear aluminum foil in the belief that it will stop one's thoughts from being broadcasted and protect against malicious waves entering the brain.

People with schizophrenia vary widely in their behavior as they struggle with an illness beyond their control. In active stages, those affected may ramble in illogical sentences or react with uncontrolled anger or violence to a perceived threat. People with schizophrenia may also experience relatively passive phases of the illness in which they seem to lack personality, movement, and emotion (also called a flat affect). People with schizophrenia may alternate in these extremes. Their behavior may or may not be predictable.

In order to better understand schizophrenia, the concept of clusters of symptoms is often used. Thus, people with schizophrenia can experience symptoms that may be grouped under the following categories:

* Positive symptoms - Hearing voices, suspiciousness, feeling under constant surveillance, delusions, or making up words without a meaning (neologisms).
* Negative (or deficit) symptoms - Social withdrawal, difficulty in expressing emotions (in extreme cases called blunted affect), difficulty in taking care of themselves, inability to feel pleasure (These symptoms cause severe impairment and are often mistaken for laziness.)
* Cognitive symptoms - Difficulties attending to and processing of information, in understanding the environment, and in remembering simple tasks
* Affective (or mood) symptoms - Most notably depression, accounting for a very high rate of attempted suicide in people suffering from schizophrenia
Helpful definitions in understanding schizophrenia include the following:

* Psychosis: Psychosis is defined as being out of touch with reality. During this phase, one can experience delusions or prominent hallucinations. People with psychoses are not aware that what they are experiencing or some of the things that they believe are not real. Psychosis is a prominent feature of schizophrenia but is not unique to this illness.

* Schizoid: This term is often used to describe a personality disorder characterized by almost complete lack of interest in social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings, making a person with this disorder appear cold and aloof.

* Schizotypal: This term defines a more severe personality disorder characterized by acute discomfort with close relationships as well as disturbances of perception and bizarre behaviors, making people with schizophrenia seem odd and eccentric because of unusual mannerisms.

* Hallucinations: A person with schizophrenia may have strong sensations of objects or events that are real only to him or her. These may be in the form of things that they believe strongly that they see, hear, smell, taste, or touch. Hallucinations have no outside source, and are sometimes described as "the person's mind playing tricks" on him or her.

* Illusion: An illusion is a mistaken perception for which there is an actual external stimulus. For example, a visual illusion might be seeing a shadow and misinterpreting it as a person. The words "illusion" and "hallucination" are sometimes confused with each other.

* Delusion: A person with a delusion has a strong belief about something despite evidence that the belief is false. For instance, a person may listen to a radio and believe the radio is giving a coded message about an impending extraterrestrial invasion. All of the other people who listen to the same radio program would hear, for example, a feature story about road repair work taking place in the area.

Types of schizophrenia are as follows:

* Paranoid-type schizophrenia is characterized by delusions and auditory hallucinations but relatively normal intellectual functioning and expression of affect. The delusions can often be about being persecuted unfairly or being some other person who is famous. People with paranoid-type schizophrenia can exhibit anger, aloofness, anxiety, and argumentativeness.

* Disorganized-type schizophrenia is characterized by speech and behavior that are disorganized or difficult to understand, and flattening or inappropriate emotions. People with disorganized-type schizophrenia may laugh at the changing color of a traffic light or at something not closely related to what they are saying or doing. Their disorganized behavior may disrupt normal activities, such as showering, dressing, and preparing meals.

* Catatonic-type schizophrenia is characterized by disturbances of movement. People with catatonic-type schizophrenia may keep themselves completely immobile or move all over the place. They may not say anything for hours, or they may repeat anything you say or do senselessly. Either way, the behavior is putting these people at high risk because it impairs their ability to take care of themselves.

* Undifferentiated-type schizophrenia is characterized by some symptoms seen in all of the above types but not enough of any one of them to define it as another particular type of schizophrenia.

* Residual-type schizophrenia is characterized by a past history of at least one episode of schizophrenia, but the person currently has no positive symptoms (delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech or behavior). It may represent a transition between a full-blown episode and complete remission, or it may continue for years without any further psychotic episodes.

Bipolar Disorder
Bipolar Disorder Symptoms

Mania and depression are the opposing phases in bipolar disorder.

* Mania: A person in the manic phase may feel indestructible, full of energy, and ready for anything. Other times that person may be irritable and ready to argue with anyone who tries to get in the way.

o Unrealistic plans, spending sprees, an increase in sexual affairs, or other reckless behavior, such as wild driving, also may occur.
o Less sleep and food than usual are needed.
o The person with mania can stay up all night but may find that not much was accomplished because he or she was easily distracted.
o The person in a manic phase may talk very quickly and jump from subject to subject. They often exhibit pressured speech during mania.
o Self-esteem may be inflated.
o Decisions regarding business and finances are often made hurriedly and without careful consideration; poor choices may be the result.
o Clothing choices may also change, and the person in a manic phase may start wearing brighter, more flamboyant clothes.
o These behaviors, which can be quite upsetting, usually prompt a family member to take notice and try to get the person help.
o Most people who are going through the manic phase of bipolar disorder deny that anything is wrong with them and refuse to see a medical professional.
o They are grandiose and may have delusions (false ideas) of grandeur (greatness).
* Depression: Although mania is said to alternate with depression, most people have more depressive episodes than manic ones.
o Sadness and crying spells are common.
o People who are depressed may not care enough to wash or comb their hair, change clothes, or even get out of bed in the morning.
o These people may sleep too much (hypersomnolence) or have difficulty getting to sleep (insomnia).
o Many of these people have no interest in food or have no appetite and lose weight. However, some eat excessively.
o People with depression have trouble thinking; they may forget to do important things such as paying bills because they feel so down.
o They withdraw from friends.
o Hobbies that used to bring pleasure suddenly hold no interest for people who are depressed.
o Depression brings feelings of hopelessness, helplessness, pessimism, and worthlessness.
o Some people may develop chronic pain or other bodily complaints that do not actually have any physical cause.
o People who are depressed may not see a point in living anymore and may actually think about ways to kill themselves.
* Some people with bipolar disorder cycle between the two extremes every few months or weeks. Other people with bipolar disorder may cycle several times within the same day.
* Signs of mania
o Increased activity and gestures (pacing, tapping feet)
o Inflated self-esteem
o Poor judgment
o Racing thoughts
o Decreased need for sleep
o Poor temper control
o Irritability
o Pressured speech: The person speaks very fast, as if his or her mouth can't keep up with the rapid thoughts. The person may be unable to respond to social cues to stop talking.
o Increased activities with high risk of painful consequences (sexual affairs, gambling, risky investments)
o Psychotic symptoms
+ Delusions (false beliefs)
+ Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren't real)
* Signs of depression
o Excessive worry
o Excessive guilt
o Sadness, crying spells
o Loss of energy
o Change in sleep pattern (insomnia at night, daytime sleepiness, or excessive sleeping)
o Major changes in appetite or weight
o Feelings of worthlessness
o Trouble concentrating
o Social withdrawal
o Lack of interest in previously enjoyable activities
o Thoughts of death or suicide: Untreated bipolar disorder has a 15% risk of death by suicide.
* Many conditions may co-occur with BD such as substance abuse, conduct disorders, eating disorders, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, migraine, and anxiety.
 
sad sad story.

cannabis didnt do it though.

im gettin tired of hearin how bad cannabis is, and peopl tryin to make it completely illegal, while at the same time theyll take opiates for pain wich re far more addicting, and alchohol is addicting BUT they dont say anything bout makin it illegal either.

anyon else agree?
 
Thanks Ham Milton, I guess I'm just suffering from some depression and nothing more.
 
Finder said:
A "straight pothead" wouldn't be ignorant enough to compare heroin to cannibis.
You goto enough NA meetings and you will see it, its actually not even that rare to hear it. Thankfully, I finished the 12 steps and figured out how to use heroin responsible, 1 day at a time.
 
twgburst said:
As an exdope fiend, I must say heroin is much better than cannabis. Does anyone else find the concept of comparin heroin to marijuana offensive? None of you straight potheads know what addiction really is.
Yeah I was a little offended.

But, I dislike weed, and I hate the fact that people consider "shootin' heroin" as the worst possible drug taking activity ever. :\
 
'If Paul hadn't smoked cannabis he would be here today."

uhh, ..... where do I get super psychic powers like that!? Damn, if only I could go back in time, change a variable, and witness the results! Gonna have to ask her about that :)
 
^^^^ The only actual provable statement is "If Paul hadn't cut his throat, he would be here today."
 
haha so sad, but so true. I hate when a single incident happens and all of a sudden it's like "let's just change how the game is played, because of 1 situation!". They just passed new weapons issues because of the virginia tech shooting.. Not that I necesarily disagree with what they did (as soon as I saw the NRA was okay with it I didn't look further into it lol), but it's so annoying seeing 1 person go ahead and push for sweeping rules changes because they were hit with a tragedy.
 
Instead of heroin, why don't they compare it to alprazolam or some shit like that instead? If their goal is to demonize it, I think it would work better, because the withdrawls from those handlebars, BOY I'M NOT SHITTIN' YOU = ABOUT 100,000x worse than heroin withdrawal and them shits is more addictive than crack with their increadibly fast onset and incredibly short duration and moody shitty cloudy-headed after effects that make you have to redose.

Anyways, benzo withdrawal really isn't the point of my post. But this big bad heroin stigma is kinda absurd at this point. I mean, shootin' heroin isn't the best of hobbies, but surely there are far more harmful and self-destructive ways to spend one's time. I used to shoot heroin, now I'm fine, Im about to have a degree and then go to graduate school. So, in essence, as a case study one could deduce, shoot heroin go to college. Wow, crazy wacky shit that makes you a crazed dope fiend.8)

I have about as much respect for these so-called reporters as I do maury povich and the like.
 
It's just as bad as herion? Well than, I can handle cannabis fine so I shall be able to handle heroin as well!
 
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