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6 Months ago my mother was diagnosed with a brain tumour. It has since been operated on, radiotherapy has also been performed.
She is now on chemo.

The docs said it is level 2 with a few level 3 areas and they beleive they removed the majority of it in the surgery, however she will need more scans after chemo is finished etc etc..

My question, and the relevance to the CD community, is if cannabis can help?

She is incredibly tired all the time, has a low appetite etc etc.

I have also read a few things that suggest the cannabis has the ability to kill tumour cells in the brain? Is this true - and has it been proven on humans?

The complicated part is that I live in Australia, and as such medicinal marijuana is not an option. This is pretty much just for informations sake anyways, I really cant imagine even bringing it up to my parents as an option...theyve never done drugs before and I can't imagine them being open minded enough to try!
 
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Yes, yes, and OMG YES! The effectiveness of reducing pain, reducing nausea, and increasing one's appetite in cancer patients was one of many prominent reasons Medical Marijuana exists in the States. The ability to kill tumor cells is still a controversial topic but I've heard that it is a strong possibility. It will probably also lift her mood because she won't feel like shit 24/7 from the chemo and mass amount of medications.

It is a legitimate option to aid in recovery (or ease the journey to kicking the bucket) that more people should be open to.
 
I hope nobody mentions Rick Simpson's drivel!

But yes, I agree with what Roose said about nausea, pain and anorexia. It helps in these respects.
 
Without Weed, i dont know how my dad would have gotten through Khemo therapy
 
Cannabis ain't no miracle cure, but it's a useful tool in an arsenal of medications that has it's place (or should have).

I think the people that purport it to be something that it most definitely is not, such as a miracle cure for all cancers, can do just as much damage to the cause of getting it legalised as people that share their reefer madness dogma as people are less likely to take it seriously.
 
benefits:

anti-oxidant - directly combats cell mutagens
anti-pain, anti-nausea, anti-depressant, appetite stimulator

we can use it for fuel to save some seas, use it for paper to save some trees, use it for medicine to help fight disease, and use it for food when we hungry

my love and support goes out to you and your family. jah bless
 
you can try edibles. mums are more open to eating something then smoking it. just introduce it to her as something that came up through a google search. patrick swazey and a host of celebs did it, and you know they got the money for the best treatment possible.
 
I hope nobody mentions Rick Simpson's drivel!

But yes, I agree with what Roose said about nausea, pain and anorexia. It helps in these respects.

eh.. it takes about 5 mins on Pubmed and doing a search on Cannabinoids and Cancer to find out the truth in it's anti-tumoral effects. I suggest you have a look.
 
Not all types of cancer. It's true that cannabinoids induce apoptosis in a plethora of tumours, but 10 minutes on pubmed and you find that they can also cause cell proliferation in others.
 
eh.. it takes about 5 mins on Pubmed and doing a search on Cannabinoids and Cancer to find out the truth in it's anti-tumoral effects. I suggest you have a look.

Sure, all it takes is 5 minutes to read up on a subject that researchers spend years researching 8)

Just because you've read a few study abstracts (because you didn't pay for access) it doesn't prove anything whatsoever.

Invitro and animal research are a whole different ball game to invivo human trials involving hundreds or even thousands of patients. Of course you probably will believe anything you see on Youtube.

Rick Simpson is not a scientist. He doesn't even have anything above a 13th grade education, and you believe his crazy claims even though he's not presented any credible evidence (only anecdotes). That's laughable.
 
It won't help the cancer unless put like, on the cells that need it (THC that is), and that is only speculatory to begin with, but vaporizing cannabis is VERY helpful to chemo patients in returning nausea and emotional drive, if she's willing to try, then definitely introduce it to her.
 
Sure, all it takes is 5 minutes to read up on a subject that researchers spend years researching 8)

Just because you've read a few study abstracts (because you didn't pay for access) it doesn't prove anything whatsoever.

Invitro and animal research are a whole different ball game to invivo human trials involving hundreds or even thousands of patients. Of course you probably will believe anything you see on Youtube.

Rick Simpson is not a scientist. He doesn't even have anything above a 13th grade education, and you believe his crazy claims even though he's not presented any credible evidence (only anecdotes). That's laughable.

I'm sorry that deductive reasoning is not your strong suit. Hopefully you or a family member does not get cancer soon. Dr. Guzman in Spain did some limited human trials for Glioblastoma and omgz you can read the whole article for free. Obviously pure THC is not a magic bullet but it definately has some good anti tumoral effects, to deny that is just being ignorant.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2360617/?tool=pubmed

There's several patient testimonials over at greenpassion.org.. some have had pretty amazing success some not so much. There's lots of different factors to take into account like tolerance and cb 1 receptor blockage. Although I do agree that Rick Simpson has overblown the success of his treatments.. I think he did a good thing to bring it out in the open to the public. For some odd reason you seem bitter and angry about it though.
 
^ I never had it would never be useful ever in some illnesses or possibly some day in the future might be a part of some cancer treatment. I'm saying that Rick Simpson is a clown and that he does the cause no good. I'm not, I repeat, I am not saying it doesn't have potential to be of interest in some research, but at the moment, to say it's a wonder treatment for all or many types of cancer for most people is irresponsible. Rick Simpson is doing just that.

Yes I am angry about it. The reason is simple - some poor soul who is having chemotherapy or radiotherapy sees his deliberately emotive videos and stops treatment to use cannabis instead and dies. So I think I have good reason to be angry, don't you think?

You'll obviously get 'patient testimonials' for any treatment whether it's snake oil or not. Unfortunately that adds to the allure and is not scientific proof.
 
Not all types of cancer. It's true that cannabinoids induce apoptosis in a plethora of tumours, but 10 minutes on pubmed and you find that they can also cause cell proliferation in others.

According to Dr. Guzman in regards to those experiments where there was proliferation

"Most of the experiments performed so far in animal models of cancer have evidenced a tumour growth-inhibiting action of cannabinoids (Guzmán, 2003). However, a few studies have shown that THC may induce proliferation of tumour cells in vitro (Hart et al, 2004) and in vivo (Zhu et al, 2000; McKallip et al, 2005). The latter was attributed to a cannabinoid-induced inhibition of host antitumour immunity and was evident in models in which xenografted tumour cells did not express significant levels of cannabinoid receptor, therefore disabling cannabinoid receptor-mediated tumour-cell killing. The present study clearly supports that THC does not facilitate tumour growth nor decreases patient survival, at least in our cohort of brain tumour patients expressing cannabinoid receptors."

What he is saying is that the cell cultures they used did not have significant amounts of cb1/cb2 receptors so the cannabinoids used on them could not induce apoptosis etc.
 
Of interest is a response to Rick Simpson written by Dr. Grinspoon.

Dec 03, 2009

Dr. Grinspoon's Response to High Times article on Rick Simpson

By Lester Grinspoon, M.D.

Dr. Lester Grinspoon is associate professor emeritus of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and the author of Marihuana Reconsidered (Harvard University Press, 1971) and Marijuana: The Forbidden Medicine (with Dr. James B. Bakalar, Yale University Press, 1993).

This op-ed is a response to an article that appeared in the January 2010 issue of HIGH TIMES, “Rick Simpson’s Hemp-Oil Medicine,” written by Steve Hager, HIGH TIMES creative director.

Like everyone else who has been working over decades to ensure that marijuana, with all that it has to offer, is allowed to take its proper place in our lives, I have been heartened by the rapidly growing pace at which it is gaining understanding as a safe and versatile medicine. In addition to the relief it offers to so many patients with a large array of symptoms and syndromes (almost invariably at less cost, both in toxicity and money, than the conventional drugs it replaces), it is providing those patients, their caregivers, and the people who are close to them an opportunity to see for themselves how useful and unthreatening its use is. It has been a long and difficult sell, but I think it is now generally believed (except by the United States government) that herbal marijuana as a medicine is here to stay.

The evidence which underpins this status as a medicine is, unlike that of almost all other modern medicines, anecdotal. Ever since the mid-1960s, new medicines have been officially approved through large, carefully controlled double-blind studies, the same path that marijuana might have followed had it not been placed in Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, which has made it impossible to do the kind of studies demanded for approval by the Food and Drug Administration. Anecdotal evidence commands much less attention than it once did, yet it is the source of much of our knowledge of synthetic medicines as well as plant derivatives. Controlled experiments were not needed to recognize the therapeutic potential of chloral hydrate, barbiturates, aspirin, curare, insulin or penicillin. And there are many more recent examples of the value of anecdotal evidence. It was in this way that the use of propranolol for angina and hypertension, of diazepam for status epilepticus (a state of continuous seizure activity), and of imipramine for childhood enuresis (bed-wetting) was discovered, although these drugs were originally approved by regulators for other purposes.

Today, advice on the use of marijuana to treat a particular sign or symptom, whether provided or not by a physician, is based almost entirely on anecdotal evidence. For example, let’s consider the case of a patient who has an established diagnosis of Crohn’s disease but gets little or no relief from conventional medicines (or even occasional surgery) and suffers from severe cramps, diarrhea and loss of weight. His cannabis-savvy physician – one who is aware of compelling anecdotal literature suggesting that it is quite useful in this syndrome – would not hesitate to recommend to this patient that he try using marijuana. He might say, “Look, I can’t be certain that this will help you, but there is now considerable experience that marijuana has been very useful in treating the symptoms of this disorder, and if you use it properly, it will not hurt you one bit; so I would suggest you give it a try, and if it works, great – and if it does not, it will not have harmed you.”

If this advice is followed and it works for this patient, he will report back that, indeed, his use of the drug has eliminated the symptoms and he is now regaining his weight; or that it doesn’t work for him but he is no better or worse off than he was before he had a trial of marijuana. Particularly in states which have accommodated the use of marijuana as a medicine, this kind of exchange is not uncommon. Because the use of cannabis as a medicine is so benign, relative to most of the conventional medicines it competes with, knowledgeable physicians are less hesitant to recommend a trial.

One of the problems of accepting a medicine – particularly one whose toxicity profile is lower than most over-the-counter medicines – on the basis of anecdotal evidence alone is that it runs the risk of being oversold. For example, it is presently being recommended for many types of pain, some of which are not responsive to its analgesic properties. Nonetheless, in this instance, a failed trial of marijuana is not a serious problem; and at the very least, both patient and physician learn that the least toxic analgesic available doesn’t work for this patient with this type of pain. Unfortunately, this kind of trial is not always benign.

In the January 2010 issue of HIGH TIMES, Steve Hager published an article, “Rick Simpson’s Hemp-Oil Medicine,” in which he extols the cancer-curing virtues of a concentrated form of marijuana which a Canadian man developed as “hemp oil.” Unfortunately, the anecdotal evidence on which the cancer-curing capacity is based is unconvincing; and because it is unconvincing, it raises a serious moral issue.

Simpson, who does not have a medical or scientific education (he dropped out of school in ninth grade), apparently does not require that a candidate for his treatment have an established diagnosis of a specific type of cancer, usually achieved through biopsy, gross and histopathological examinations, radiologic and clinical laboratory evidence. He apparently accepts the word of his “patients.” Furthermore, after he has given the course of “hemp oil,” there is apparently no clinical or laboratory follow-up; he apparently accepts the “patient’s” belief that he has been cured. According to Hager, he claims a cure rate of 70 percent. But 70 percent of what? Do all the people he “treats” with hemp-oil medicine have medically established, well-documented cancer, or is he treating the symptoms or a constellation of symptoms that he or the patient have concluded signify the existence of cancer? And what is the nature and duration of the follow-up which would allow him to conclude that he has cured 70 percent? Furthermore, does this population of “patients with cancer” include those who have already had therapeutic regimes (such as surgery, radiation or chemotherapy) which are known to be successful in curing some cancers or holding at bay, sometimes for long periods of time, many others?

There are patients who have a medically sound diagnosis of pre-symptomatic cancer (such as early prostate cancer) but who, for one reason or another, eschew allopathic treatment and desperately seek out other approaches. Such patients are all too eager to believe that a new treatment, such as hemp-oil medicine, has cured their cancer. Unfortunately, this cancer, which was asymptomatic at the time of its discovery, will eventually become symptomatic, and at that time the possibility of a cure is significantly diminished, if not inconceivable.

This lesson was brought home to me when I was asked by the American Cancer Society, during a period early in my medical career when I was doing cancer research, to participate in an investigation of a man in Texas who claimed that a particular herb that his grandfather discovered would cure cancer. I was able to locate two women who had well-documented diagnoses of early (asymptomatic) cervical cancer who had decided not to have surgery but instead went to Texas and took the “medicine.” When I first met them some months after each had taken the “cure,” they were certain that they were now cancer-free. With much effort, I was able to persuade them to have our surgical unit perform new biopsies, both of which revealed advancement in the pathological process over their initial biopsies. Both were then persuaded to have the surgery they had previously feared, and there is no doubt that this resulted in saving their lives.

There is little doubt that cannabis now may play some non-curative roles in the treatment of this disease (or diseases) because it is often useful to cancer patients who suffer from nausea, anorexia, depression, anxiety, pain and insomnia. However, while there is growing evidence from animal studies that it may shrink tumor cells and cause other promising salutary effects in some cancers, there is no present evidence that it cures any of the many different types of cancer. I think the day will come when it or some cannabinoid derivatives will be demonstrated to have cancer-curative powers, but in the meantime, we must be very cautious about what we promise these patients.
 
^ I never had it would never be useful ever in some illnesses or possibly some day in the future might be a part of some cancer treatment. I'm saying that Rick Simpson is a clown and that he does the cause no good. I'm not, I repeat, I am not saying it doesn't have potential to be of interest in some research, but at the moment, to say it's a wonder treatment for all or many types of cancer for most people is irresponsible. Rick Simpson is doing just that.

Yes I am angry about it. The reason is simple - some poor soul who is having chemotherapy or radiotherapy sees his deliberately emotive videos and stops treatment to use cannabis instead and dies. So I think I have good reason to be angry, don't you think?

You'll obviously get 'patient testimonials' for any treatment whether it's snake oil or not. Unfortunately that adds to the allure and is not scientific proof.

Ya I feel where you are coming from. It's dangerous ground and I certainly would not advocate for people to not get conventional treatment like he does.
 
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