Can methamphetamine be used for legitimate purposes, or is it a reliable road to hell?

[JohnBoy2000]

I ask as I'd formerly been on a strong combination of neuromodulating meds (remeron, strattera, sertaline, zopiclone), which worked well but ultimately tapered out.

I subsequently used a slightly modified form of CBT (cognitive therapy) to address anxiety and function complaints, and I am certain this affects neural function and neuro-plasticity also........ though the time to affect in contrast to drug therapy (days), is much much longer (months to years).

I speculate that endeavours with cognitive intervention kind of clashed with the initial drug therapy (ultimately both affect "mood", but they pull in different directions, which is why I believe drug therapy ultimately lost efficacy when cognitive intervention was introduced during it).

.........

However, I notice recently (kind of having come full circle also with the cognitive intervention), that I do get some positive affect from the mild stimulant, methylphenidate.

However, I have to stick to the 20 mg dose which is very mild and whilst its affect on energy and alertness is good, it's also somewhat underwhelming.

Curious if I replaced that with a more potent stimulant like amphetamine or meth, could I actually benefit, or are they ultimately a one way trip to a hospital visit for drug induced psychosis?

I read reviews on meth:

Methamphetamine Reviews & Ratings - Drugs.com

Reviews and ratings for Methamphetamine. 77 reviews submitted with a 8.9 average score.

www.drugs.com

And if they are genuine, it does seem like a genuine therapeutic option for some patients.

But has a acquired a terrible reputation due to its abuse potential.

PS - some film almost satirically explored the possibility of low does meth use to enhance cognitive function, film title escapes me. But is that folklore? Or does such potential actually exist?

PPS - assuming one is confining use to capsule/oral ROA.

 

[Blowmonkey]

However, I have to stick to the 20 mg dose which is very mild and whilst its affect on energy and alertness is good, it's also somewhat underwhelming.

I find all the phenidates I've tried pretty underwhelming, ethyl, methyl and isopropyl, cannot find much use in 2-fma either, no motivational push like with real (meth)amphetamine. Even with those I feel like I need to take more than is usually recommended to really get off my ass so to speak. Desoxyn is the generic brandname for methamphetamine pills, ofcourse you can get them prescribed if you find it works for you, only one way to find out.

 

[Rectify]

Most people who try meth never quit of their own volition. And It Is Horrible For Your Teeth. However, It Is The Best Bang For Your Buck. If you want to escape the Matrix it will wake you up vigorously, and it lasts for ages.

 

[JohnBoy2000]

Most people who try meth never quit of their own volition. And It Is Horrible For Your Teeth. However, It Is The Best Bang For Your Buck. If you want to escape the Matrix it will wake you up vigorously, and it lasts for ages.

Is that only when it's abused?

Or even at therapeutic doses of less than 25 mg?

Probably either I'd imagine.

I get horrible dry mouth from mirtazapine even at the moment, or any other anti-depressant for that matter.

 

[Rectify]

Try 100 mg (a 'point'). I Used It For 20 Years B4 It Fucked Up My Teeth. Also, Take By Mouth With Water. If You Are Feeling Frisky, Start With 150 mg. I Would. Immense Euphoria , Focus, And Concentration.

 

[chippermonk]

To the OP @JohnBoy2000 Yeah, it's a big bang for your buck but the overwhelming track record is that it fucks people up badly. Maybe you'll use it in moderation, but maybe you will make a big mess of your life. Why run that risk? You say a mild Ritalin dose does help you, but now you want a more powerful dose? That's just a slippery slope and a bad outcome IMHO.
Don't get me wrong, I liked it the little I've done it, but wow does it give me a craving, and craving is like the opposite of being happy in life. Craving makes those measured therapeutic doses get bigger as time goes by.

 

[Rectify]

I presume John Boy 2000 is an adult with free will.

If you just take 150 mg per os, it might last 24 hours, but there is no way in Cybertron that doing so would lead to psychosis.

 

[chippermonk]

Yep, I agree, we all have free will.

 

[negrogesic]

Note, this is not N&PD material will move it back to OD.

Also this question has been asked enough times that I think I try to make a "Can I used meth therapeutically" megathread.

Like i've answered before:

Street meth can probably be used therapeutically to a certain degree of safety if:

1) One has tremendous self-control and does not have an addictive personality

2) It is taken at doses up to 30-40mg/day (in divided doses preferably), premeasured accurately on a scale. Perhaps better is volumetric measurement.

3) One has consistent access to high quality meth, and knows the difference between and low and high quality. If one were serious I'd buy an 8 ball or 1/4 ounce and test it, and possibly buy an even larger amount so the product in consistent.

 

[Dextro .45]

Pharmaceutical grade d-Desoxyephedrine hcl (20mg glass ampoles) or 5mg tablets are a very functional safe effective Amphetamine in low therapeutic doses

Desoxyn 5mg tablets (25mg max daily dose)
Methedrine 20mg IV/IM

 

[Quasimoto]

I've never met anyone who can use meth responsibly in low doses.

Has anyone else?

I think it's probably 1 in 100

It's such a reinforcing drug.

 

[bikerjay]

I've never met anyone who can use meth responsibly in low doses.

Hey. How you doing. I've used it daily for 2 years and was a weekend warrior before that. I have a a good job (supervisor), own my home, have a beautiful motorcycle and my bills are paid. I am definitely the exception to the rule. Bu it is possible. I do not use it intravenously anymore. I just smoke it now. Probably use a half gram a day during the week. A little more on the weekend. I haven't slept on a Friday night in probably 5 years but I go to bed every other night. It is possible.

 

[Esperighanto]

Hey. How you doing. I've used it daily for 2 years and was a weekend warrior before that. I have a a good job (supervisor), own my home, have a beautiful motorcycle and my bills are paid. I am definitely the exception to the rule. Bu it is possible. I do not use it intravenously anymore. I just smoke it now. Probably use a half gram a day during the week. A little more on the weekend. I haven't slept on a Friday night in probably 5 years but I go to bed every other night. It is possible.

I'm in the same boat, I've used methamphetamine maybe 20 times total in my life, almost always in the form of accidental fake Adderall, which after it lasted 12-18 hours I'd realize "oh these are methy", and then only use them once a month at most. When I can measure a dose though, 15-30mg orally/intranasally once a month (if I am not using MDA, MDMA, N-benzylated phenethylamines or benzofurans that month) or half those doses twice a month, is what I do now. Normally though I'd rather use MDA or an N-benzylated phenethylamine since I'm really into psychedelics, so meth isn't a frequent one for me.

 

[Quasimoto]

Any drug can be used appropriately, responsibly, medicinally, etc...

But I will say this. I've never met someone in my entire life that can use meth in any of those capacities. It is the most hedonistic, reinforcing, lack-of-self-controlling drug I can think of.

I know people, and as well as myself, who are able to stop after a few days of use... but during that time I cannot stop myself from redosing. It turns me into an animal.