can i use ketamine meant to be IV/IM'd orally?

[tyler5]

can i use ketamine that seems to be meant to be IV/IM'd, orally?

i have a bottle full of ketamine. can i just drink it orally instead of IV/IM'ing it or should that liquid not be drunk no way without some type of 'thing' done to it first?
im clueless, i hope You all can help

on the bottle it says Ketamine 100 mg/ml, 1 x 10 ml vial
i dont really understand that as its just a bottle, not a vial or an ampoule.
maybe it means You should be putting 10ml of it in a vial? but what would be the point of that? and then fro mthat vial to the syringe? im sorry im not familiar with 'gear' gear, lol.

 

[wayab]

oral ketamine practicaly doesn't work. pour the liquid in a dish, put the dish over boiling water for 15-30mins the water evaporates and you are left with a dish full of ket crystals, scrape and snort them if you dont whant to inject

 

[Swimmingdancer]

A vial is just a small bottle. What makes you think it's not a vial? Does it appear to contain more than 10ml? (roughly around 2 teaspoons). IF the bottle contains what it says it does, 100mg/ml, that means there a 100mg of ketamine in every ml of liquid, which is A LOT. You can take it orally but you need to be able to very prescisely measure it.

Option 1: Dilute it with water (ideally sterile water so it will keep sterile) to a known concentration so you could dose more accurately. A few drops of a 100mg/ml solution could put you in the K-Hole.

One medical site says:

To prepare a dilute solution containing 2 mg/mL, add 5 mL of the 100 mg/mL concentration solution to 250 mL of sterile water, dextrose 5% in water, saline solution, or isotonic sodium chloride 0.9% in water and mix well.

(Technically I would assume this would give very slightly lower concentrations of ketamine than they are stating, because they are not including the volume of the 100mg/ml ketamine solution itself, but I guess they think 250 ml of water is easier to measure than 245 ml?)

If you're taking it orally you may not need it to be quite that diluted, so maybe you could dilute it to 10 mg/ml by adding 10 ml of the 100 mg/ml solution to 100 ml of water. Do you have something accurate to measure these quantities?

Option 2: I did read one source where it says that a syringe can be used to measure the 100mg/ml solution to take orally, but you would need to be VERY exact and calculate exactly how many mg of ketamine are going to be in each unit on the syringe. If you have a 1ml/1CC standard insulin syringe it will have 100 "units" marked on it (or 50 units marked on a 0.5ml/0.5CC syringe) so 1 unit should equal 0.01 ml. If you are using a ketamine solution of 100mg/ml, that would mean each unit should be 1mg of ketamine.

Erowid lists the dosages for oral ketamine as:

Oral Ketamine Dosages
by body weight: approx total:
Threshold: 0.3 mg / lb ~40 - 50 mg
Light: 0.6 mg / lb ~50 - 100 mg
Common: 0.75 - 2 mg / lb ~75 - 300 mg
Strong: 1.5 - 2.5 mg / lb ~200 - 450 mg

But some people suggest going with lower doses than those. At least start low.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

oral ketamine practicaly doesn't work. pour the liquid in a dish, put the dish over boiling water for 15-30mins the water evaporates and you are left with a dish full of ket crystals, scrape and snort them if you dont whant to inject

Maybe it varies from person to person? Someone here on Bluelight said it worked great orally and was as strong as snorting it.

Also how are they going to accurately measure the dosages for snorting when they have pure ketamine? That's going be be a very small amount of powder if they want to snort, say, 30mg of it.

 

[wayab]

i spoke strongly. it is active orally but you need 4-5 times more for a less psychedelic high(more metabolites rather than ketamine).
measuring 30mg from a vial is no problem, you can use one of these 1ml syringes with alot of markings and take out just 30% of a ml then evaporate and snort. or take 1 ml out, evaporate and chop it in 3 for 3x~30mg.

 

[Darksidesam]

Why hasnt anyone suggested pouring out onto a plate, evapourating in the air (can take couple of days) and snorting it that way?

Dont you think it will powder? it should turn HCL


30mg of ketamine snorted will give a euphoric buzz of some kind.

 

[wayab]

Why hasnt anyone suggested pouring out onto a plate, evapourating in the air (can take couple of days) and snorting it that way?

Dont you think it will powder? it should turn HCL


30mg of ketamine snorted will give a euphoric buzz of some kind.

it was mentioned. and you dont need to wait day for it, you can put the dish near some moderate heat source and do it in half hour.

 

[opium]

this^

id heat it, then let it cool after the evap.
snorting > oral consumption IMO anyday.

 

[reptiles]

I never understood why people take a sterile liquid; evaporate it; then snort it so it dissolves (again) into the moist nasal mucosa.

At a hospital where I volunteered when in the US; the doctors would administer Ketamine to children requiring sedation for sutures. The Doc would place the liquid into a needleless syringe and just squirt it up the kids' noses. It worked well.

Actually they did the same with cocaine hcl liquid for adults with nasal trauma, etc.

 

[tyler5]

A vial is just a small bottle. What makes you think it's not a vial? Does it appear to contain more than 10ml? (roughly around 2 teaspoons). IF the bottle contains what it says it does, 100mg/ml, that means there a 100mg of ketamine in every ml of liquid, which is A LOT. You can take it orally but you need to be able to very prescisely measure it.
But some people suggest going with lower doses than those. At least start low.

where do i mention a vial? it is a big bottle.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

where do i mention a vial? it is a big bottle.

That's what I was asking, the size of the bottle. You said it was "a bottle, not a vial", but I was asking how is it a bottle and not a vial because a vial is just any kind of small bottle. If it is a big bottle, then I can only think it is labelled incorrectly. If it says "1 x 10 ml vial" and it contains more than 10 ml of liquid, then who knows how much ketamine is in it. Sounds dangerous.

"1 x 10 ml vial" does not mean to put 10 ml into a vial, it should mean it IS a 10 ml vial/small bottle. If it is not then that is a problem.

I don't know what to tell you other than assume that is IS 100mg per ml and try an extremely small dose first.

Does it say anything else on the bottle other than what you already mentioned?

 

[Foreigner]

Oral ketamine is processed by the liver enzymes CYP2B6 and CYP3A4/5/7. The variations in oral administration are due to polymorphism in the genetics. One person would rapid metabolize it and feel nothing while another person would be a slow metabolizer and experience it full on. The oral route has to be processed by the liver after absorption in the small intestine. The level of enzyme activity will also depend on any other drugs you've taken recently, or substances that could alter the enzyme functions. Even something as innocent as grapefruit juice can inhibit CYP3A4 for up to 24 hours, which would make your normal dosage infinitely stronger.

If you do IM/IV injection you will bypass the CYP450 group entirely and have the full on experience. Even snorting would be preferable to eating because it still enters the blood and therefore offers some level of predictability.

 

[tyler5]

its a big bottle, a whole lotta 500ml. no IM/IV talk please, not gonna happen with me, i'd rather keep this bottle as a souvenir or when i meet someone who knows how to IV me, i'll let him do it (nurses in hospitals have trouble finding my veins, takes 4-6 tries every time )