Stimulants Can anyone help me figure out my ADHD medication usage and the depression after ?

[BottleDryer]

I'm a 25 year old university student and have been diagnosed with ADHD 2 years ago.

Alittle background info first

Briefly, the diagnostic process went like this;

Went to my family doc and told him how I can't concentrate and how my mind is always racing with thoughts (related or unrelated to the situation at hand) and how I have some pretty severe anxiety -> He then told me it might be possible that I have ADHD and scheduled an appointment for me with a psychotherapist. -> After seeing her a couple of time (3-5) and answered a whole bunch of questions and filled out questionnaires, she said she's going to have to schedule me an appointment with another doc that specializes in ADHD cases. -> After seeing him a couple of times and filling out more questionnaires, he determined that I truly have ADHD. -> So after that I was prescribed Vyvanse (lisdexamphetamine). At first I was started on very low doses , 5-10mg "as needed" during the times I had school, but always told me to take them in the morning because Vyvanse is apparently very long lasting.-> After a few trial and errors, we found a "proper" dosage for me which was a gradual build up to 50mg. (Now I can't remember how often and at what intervals I would take Vyvanse, feels like a long time ago and I can't remember specifics). During this time, I felt that the medication I was taking worked amazingly for me. It made me calm, focused and confident. But the only drawbacks were "depression" ( I can't remember how severe it would be , but nonetheless it was annoying) and surprisingly , its "short duration" of effect it had on me. It lasted an average around 4-5 hours maximum. ( This wasn't good for me because for one, my classes started from 8am - 4-6pm depending on the day.), re-dosing wasn't an option because it would cause some insomnia and just intensify my depression (if I remember correctly) and taking a higher (stronger) dose did nothing for the duration it just intensified the "feeling" (effect).

So in conclusion, Vyvanse worked great on me (when it was active, ie the "come-up and peak") but when it started to wear off (which was quickly) I was left feeling drained, depressed and irritable.
I would always try and take Vyvanse on a semi full to full stomach (as ordered by the docs), if I didn't the drug felt more intense and the comedown (crash) also intensified.

So I was then switched to Adderall XR , first with 5mg and the to 10mg.
I found that Adderall was practically the "same" as Vyvanse , in terms of "psycho-physical effects", it made me calm and focused and relieved my anxiety but it too had its drawbacks, ie the "crash". It too lasted approximately the same amount of time as Vyvanse (4-5 hours, maybe shorter ?)

So all this continued for a year or so and my grades did improve and I did feel like I was on a "proper" track in my life for once, because I could finally focus and felt determined, but in the end the side effects (crash, depression and lack of appetite) made me discontinue my medication. It's been a year or so now (maybe more) that I haven't taken a stimulant for my ADHD, and I feel like I'm doing just "OK" but not were I want to be in terms of "social well being" (feeling secure of myself and how I present myself to others) and mental well being (hope, happiness, motivation, drive, increased energy etc..) Ever since I tried stimulant medication, it opened up a whole new world of possibilities for me , like as if there was another path available to me and that I could now take and that it was going to be easier for me from now on, but, like I said , I discontinued everything due to side effects outweighing the positives. I became tired of having to constantly deal with such intense negatives all the time. I had enough things to worry about as a student and crashing during a class or when I'm home (depending on my class schedule) was not worth it.

So one day, a close friend of mine, after I explained whats going on, decided to give me some of her Concerta medication (I know sharing of meds is frowned upon, but I felt desperate and still in need of another "chance/ opportunity" at the time I wasn't ready to give up.

All she had was 36mg Concerta pills, so I tried one and to be honest, I hated it, it made me feel "dirty" and as if I wasn't supposed to be on this stuff. It felt much harsher than Adderall and Vyvanse. Almost like an overdose on caffeine mixed with god knows what. The focus was there but, it felt all over the place and I had to force myself to focus on the current situation. It felt "out of control" like I was just about to start screaming and laughing and just pass out from the "exhaustion" it was causing. Yes, it made me feel "calm" (almost like that calming feeling Adderall and Vyvanse gave me, but it wasn't a comforting calm, if that makes sense.) Maybe the dose was too high for me. So I found a "TEK" online on how to separate the methylphenidate from the other stuff in the pill and was able to experiment with the dosages, but it still didn't work out for me. Unsuccessful. So I disregarded that medication as an option.

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Now, onto the question's and things I don't understand

**When I was prescribed my medication(s), I was told to take that dose every morning with a meal, but they (docs) made no reference to "take as needed".
I didn't NEED a stimulant everyday, I would only take my meds depending on the class, type of work and environment I was in. **

Now for a bit of a complex question (for me at least) that I can't exactly wrap my mind around.

What dosage is "effective"... ? How exactly does one (myself) perceive the notion of something being "effective" ?
For example, say if I take 10-15mg of Adderall XR or Vyvanse and I feel like I'm on top of the world, focused, confident, having an intense drive to accomplish things and critically think about things, how do you "continue this" (When you keep crashing after that feeling) and when told by a doc to take the dose every morning ? Tolerance obviously builds up and like I said before, taking something EVERY day (morning) is not something I want to do, because of;

-Tolerance = financial difficulties
-Health problems = physical ( increased stress on the heart among other things, decreased intake of food )
-Mental exhaustion = depression, irritability -> lack of motivation
-Duration "issues"
-Possible "addiction" = developing a habit of "chasing" that "first time" feeling. (Whether it was experienced on day one (1) you (myself) ever tried stimulant medication OR that first time you (myself) took a higher dose than indicated and felt that "anything is possible" feeling. (But that's the thing, you can't keep experiencing that....) ---> So what happens then ? , do you decrease dosage or keep taking that dose that you felt was magical until your body no longer accepts that dose as being adequate enough. (This is what confuses me the most).

Anyways, I'm going to wrap this up because I'm starting to confuse myself the more I try to analyze this.

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Diet

When I do (did) take my stimulant medication, I always kept a healthy diet (still do). Lots of fruits and homemade food, greens, salads and lots of vitamins such as Omega 3-6, vitamin c, d, e , multi-vitamins. I took them quite regularly but it didn't seem to help much with the "crash" and the resulting depression afterwards.

So I don't know what to do exactly now.


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Lifestyle now and future thoughts / plans


Currently I'm working a full time job in construction and it has helped quite a bit with my depression because it gives me something to do and it's a change of environment. I get lot's of exercise from it , very hard work that involves heavy lifting 9hours a day. But I don't mind for now. The exercise also helps with my depression.

But, I plan on going back to school in September for some courses and I worry that my ADHD will "kick in" again (it does quite severely when it comes to academic work) . So I don't know how to proceed with this whole stimulant medication thing. I don't know were to go from here or what else to look into in terms of medication.

I prefer to have meds as something I can fall back onto when things get rough, because University life is extremely challenging for me.
Exercise, positive thinking , talk therapy, vitamins and proper nutrition is usually not enough for me.

So, if you've made it this far into my post , congrats and thank you. Maybe you can offer some useful advice / feedback ?

 

[Ksa]

You seem not to tolerate the crash. I don't tolerate it either so I take additional medication which is focused on dealing with the crash alone.

Q: How exactly does one (myself) perceive the notion of something being "effective" ?

Very complicated question. It depends on your philosophy of life, goals and personality. If you are an atheist, capitalist, driven by success and money, Adderall is efficient because it adds what Americans call "useful anxiety" or kick in the pants. If you are more contemplating, thankful for what is given to you and desire to enjoy life as a chain of joyful moments, Dexedrine or Desoxyn would be more efficient.

Also, tolerance to amphetamine builds up when you take the amphetamine to do nothing. If you want to do nothing, take a downer...I mean, don't take anything but, if you were to take, take opioids. Adderall is not like Heroin where you fill your arm and sit in a dark corner enjoying yourself. With amphetamines, you gotta do something when you take them, like work, party, sex, games etc. or don't take it at all.

You took amphetamine and sat on a chair. How do I know? Because you had plenty of time to notice what it was doing to you. If you were too busy having sex, the least of your worries would have been the "anything is possible" feeling. Forget about what the doctor says about misuse. The real amphetamine misuse is when you take it and sit on a chair to contemplate the "anything is possible" feeling.

See, as soon as you have something to do:

"Currently I'm working a full time job in construction and it has helped quite a bit with my depression because it gives me something to do and it's a change of environment. "

The depression goes away. The tolerance goes away. Always do something INTENSELY, while amphetamines kick in. If you have nothing to do don't take them, take codeine and go to sleep. Never take amphetamines when you don't need them. lol

 

[Epsilon Alpha]

Well you seem to grasp that the med's have distinct short comings and are able to see some of the possible outcomes for trying to chase the first time, which is a very good thing.

My best advice is to, and I know this is frowned upon if you want to be strictly clinical, is to split your dose. When my sleep disorder flares up I usually take one dose with my breakfast, and a smaller dose around lunch to "smooth it out". Granted, I can sleep without issues on virtually any stimulant so YMMV.

If you want to really look into other drugs, modafinil and the rest of the non-stimulants + Wellbutrin all seem like promising options, but the real key like everyone says is lifestyle changes.

 

[R(x)AGE]

well I am in a very similar boat, but a few years younger.
If you can't handle the lows than don't go so high. I can't handle getting sad after big doses, so I only take small doses, after learning the hard way. IMO and experience Pot works nicely to come down, smoking some mellow stuff not too much of course just like .5 when your coming down. Also I have found only taking one dose is the best thing to do if your like me. I am neurotic about my nutrition, the supplements/vitamins aren't the best option, and not cheap, I don't take much. only the odd b12 or multivitamin if im at someones house and they offer me one. but i only buy b12 and go through about a bottle a semester. I used to take tons of amphetamine, I still want to take tons but I can't, I must not for several reasons the main one being that I saw some pretty nasty personality changes during my heavy use. You might be best only taking the smallest amount possible, and that is the most effective method. all amphetamine does is cause an intoxication where you think your more productive than you are, it gives a nice mood lift, which can be had at low doses, if you keep your doses low and take frequent breaks between usage, at the moment I havn't the time to stop, but my depressed mood is resistible knock on wood. Sorry for rambling, good luck. feel free to pm me sounds like we have relative value systems

 

[tricomb]

Modafinil is definitely worth trying, sounds like you'd do much better on Dexedrine or Desoxyn if modafinil (trade name Provigil) doesn't work.

 

[BottleDryer]

You seem not to tolerate the crash. I don't tolerate it either so I take additional medication which is focused on dealing with the crash alone.

What other kinds of medication are there that deal with the "crash" ? I've personally never heard of this , thought the crash was due to;
1. Too high of a dose
2. Low tolerance
3. Vitamin/Electrolyte deficiency caused by amphetamine(s).


...It depends on your philosophy of life, goals and personality. If you are an atheist, capitalist, driven by success and money, Adderall is efficient because it adds what Americans call "useful anxiety" or kick in the pants. If you are more contemplating, thankful for what is given to you and desire to enjoy life as a chain of joyful moments, Dexedrine or Desoxyn would be more efficient.

I find this concept/ point very interesting, but I don't quite understand it exactly. I myself am a very contemplative person (sometimes to the point were it negatively effects my lifestyle) I try to be a humble and laid back person but caring for others at the same time and enjoy what I have yet I also try to strive and push myself (although contemplation sometimes interferes and transforms into procrastination). So why and how exactly would Dexedrine or Desoxyn (maybe even Modafinil as everyone else is suggesting) help me as opposed to Adderall, Vyvanse or Concerta ?


You took amphetamine and sat on a chair. How do I know? Because you had plenty of time to notice what it was doing to you. If you were too busy having sex, the least of your worries would have been the "anything is possible" feeling. Forget about what the doctor says about misuse. The real amphetamine misuse is when you take it and sit on a chair to contemplate the "anything is possible" feeling.

That's a very sharp observation. But "this is what I like to do" , well sometimes... I like soaking in the "intensity" of life around me by sitting still and just simply observing and analyzing anything and everything to its maximum.

See, as soon as you have something to do:

"Currently I'm working a full time job in construction and it has helped quite a bit with my depression because it gives me something to do and it's a change of environment. "

The depression goes away. The tolerance goes away. Always do something INTENSELY, while amphetamines kick in. If you have nothing to do don't take them, take codeine and go to sleep. Never take amphetamines when you don't need them. lol

Smart way to go about thinking of this "never take when the "situation" (environment) is not calling for an amp. AND, doing something does help with depression, thats why I hate sitting around at home doing nothing because I get depressed = that's exactly why I took a summer job.

Well you seem to grasp that the med's have distinct short comings and are able to see some of the possible outcomes for trying to chase the first time, which is a very good thing.

If you want to really look into other drugs, modafinil and the rest of the non-stimulants + Wellbutrin all seem like promising options, but the real key like everyone says is lifestyle changes.

Is there anything else you can tell me about "modafinil and the rest of the non-stimulants + Wellbutrin" specifically relating to my current situation, if you don't mind ?

Modafinil is definitely worth trying, sounds like you'd do much better on Dexedrine or Desoxyn if modafinil (trade name Provigil) doesn't work.

Again, why exactly do you think Dexedrin, Desoxyn or Modafinil would be better suited for me opposed to Adderall, Vyvanse and Concerta ?




***Man my post looks so unorganized and slightly chaotic, my apologies, sooo tired right now to properly figure out a proper layout***

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Just read the post real quick but here's my advice, hope it helps-
Ask for IR meds. They're probably a little harder to get prescribed due to speed freaks wanting them more than IR meds. That being said, you keep your dose low it looks like (good job, many don't), so I bet you won't have a problem. It's been so long since I've used ampetamines for any reason (not worth it in my case, I jus try to motivate myself now! And abusing that shit would be hell, so I have no use now), that I can't remmber the brand, but there is pure d-amphetamine out there. You want that, IR. Vyvanse is a hellish make of XR d-amp, I get how you do after the initial effects.
The pure IR d-amp doesn't have such a long crash, and a smoother time helping you concentrate.

Also.. look into L-Tyrosine. I feel like you could really fuck yourself over with it honstly though, if used too much, as it provides you with more DA to release.. meaning you could get DA receptor over stimulation over time, as well as other possible side effects.. It really helps the crash and makes you need less amp in some cases. I usually took it some point(s) after taking any amphetamine. Look into it maby, but be warned... maby ask your doc about it, hopefully they'll be aware of what you're talking about.

 

[tricomb]

Smart way to go about thinking of this "never take when the "situation" (environment) is not calling for an amp. AND, doing something does help with depression, thats why I hate sitting around at home doing nothing because I get depressed = that's exactly why I took a summer job.




Is there anything else you can tell me about "modafinil and the rest of the non-stimulants + Wellbutrin" specifically relating to my current situation, if you don't mind ?




Again, why exactly do you think Dexedrin, Desoxyn or Modafinil would be better suited for me opposed to Adderall, Vyvanse and Concerta ?




***Man my post looks so unorganized and slightly chaotic, my apologies, sooo tired right now to properly figure out a proper layout***

Hah yeah that post is out of control, I'm going to answer what I think pertains to me.

Adderall is a mix of levo-amp and dextro amp at a ratio of 1:4 respectively. The levoamphetamine while good for some people is not the best solution for everyone, and gives many users some of the PNS side effects that are not beneficial at all to the patient.

This is why, Dexedrine would be a better idea, it's the pure dextro isomer of amphetamine, so it has less PNS side effects and more of the good isomer.

For those who still have side effects on Dexedrine, Desoxyn (dextro-methamphetamine) can be considered. In my case, I had side effects with Dexedrine that I wasn't content with so I switched to Desoxyn and have never been happier. There is no RX stimulant with less side effects and definitely not one with it's efficacy. This is my subjective experience, others are happy with Dexedrine, others are fine with Adderall.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta, Daytrana, etc) blows and is not a good stimulant IMO, I don't like it's chemical structure or it's lousy effects, I've tried every form of it, they all suck as stimulants but they may be helpful to some people.

Vyvanse IMO was created basically as a less abusable form of Dexedrine, created as a pro-drug to deter use of any ROA other than oral, and is no better than Dexedrine but some people feel it's smoother or released at a more even rate, and some people like that but IMO it's less reliable than Dexedrine.

Desoxyn > Dexedrine > Vyvanse > Adderall for the amphetamines.

As for the modafinil, I think it's important for people to explore non-amphetamine options so all options are brought to the table before an educated decision can be made.

 

[Alex000]

Okay, I think I read your entire post, but in bits and pieces, here and there. Firstly, it should be noted that amphetamines are neurotoxic (toxic to the brain), and will change brain chemistry, which can be reversible depending on dosage and duration of use. This does not mean they do not have a place in medicine, because frankly they can be extremely helpful in certain circumstances. I have been taking Adderall XR for about 6 weeks (?, maybe a bit longer) now, and I worked my way up from a dose of 5 mg in the morning to 10 mg in the morning to 10 mg in the morning and a late afternoon/early evening dose of 5 mg. Originally, my intention was to use them as needed, but fell prey to their appeal with the energy and mood-lift they provided which was quite genuine in its feeling IMO, and still is. Now, I will say I usually take my first dose of 10 mg at about 11-ish AM give or take a few hours, and then a dose of 5 mg between 5 and 7 PM most days. I have found this does not really hinder my sleep, and provides an all day mood-lift, though I do fall asleep later (usually around 3 AM). I notice no significant comedown apart from my normal episodic dysphoria existent prior to amphetamine use. However, it should be noted I take benzos daily, and a pretty good dose at that. I am tolerant, though, and do not feel the benzos hinder my functioning in any way nor cause any unwanted sedation. I am often tired, but not on account of the benzos, and the Adderall XR helps with this fatigue. I have been dx'd with chronic fatigue syndrome by a rheumatologist with constant increased EBV antibody presence in my body.

It should be remembered, though, I am not that far into amphetamine dependence, and am aware of the risks it presents. They don't scare me personally, but I'd be concerned for anyone else. I just tend not to worry about my own health. Like I said, though, amphetamines have a place. Using them as needed is absolutely best, however, sustaining on a low-dose of a clean, smooth amphetamine for daily use can be beneficial if other measures are taken to help with energy, mood, confidence etc. Exercise is great, healthy diet is great, too. Some holistic therapies can be of great benefit. A simple bath can have great effect on my energy and mood esp. with music, for example. A massage or acupuncture session can work wonders, as can a yoga session, relaxing me fully, and enducing a true calm sometimes with a great contentedness not unlike euphoria.

I might suggest switching to Dexedrine or Dexedrine Spansule as was recommended above if you feel the need for an amphetamine. It is generally quite a bit smoother subjectively, and provides less body load due to lack of levoamphetamine which causes a lot of PNS stimulation, which some people, like me, for example, benefit from. I MIGHT also suggest you look into a VERY low-dose benzo, preferably one with a long half-life (e.g. clonazepam, diazepam) to take before dosing an amphetamine and while coming down, too. This helps smooth out the experience more, reducing negative side-effects and comedown unpleasantness, and can aid in falling asleep. The first time I slept on an amphetamine I was SHOCKED, but it is possible. I had heard of it, but it baffled me even though I was taking benzos, but again with a tolerance. If you intend on dosing amphetamines daily come this school year, I'd say that if you do use benzos along with them keep the dose very low, because you don't need much in these sort of instances. Benzos dependence would likely ensue, yes, and it can be quite serious, but with standing prescription at a low dose, I don't see huge issue in that if it would allow for better result.

 

[Tryptamino]

Personally, when I use prescription amps (methylphenidate not included) as written on the label, I am extremely tolerant to the crash, in fact, the crash, never really comes, I actually feel slightly euphoric, and an odd feeling of simultaneous stimulation and exhaustion. Having said that, I have had more than my share of say meth and MDMA crashes, which are proportionally the closest thing to a person taking pharmy amps and is intolerant of the crash. Take l-tyrosine and l-tryptophan as well as plenty of vitamin c and weed (both of which contain antioxidants, reducing severity of the crash as well as reducing neurotoxicity from amphetamins. (yup, you add meds are damaging your brain.)

I also recommend that you switch to desoxyn or Dexedrine, for these reasons:
Desoxyn: you may think that because its meth, that it would give you horrible crashes and side effects, but in fact, oral methamphetamine has the least crash out of any stim I've ever tried. Even more so with desoxyn, as it's the d isomer of meth, rather than racemic meth racemic meth also contains the l isomer, which isn't recreational, and simply gives you the peripheral effects, like insomnia, jitters, depression, paranoia, etc. It's next to impossible to get prescribed though, unless you're also narcoleptic and/or obese. Desoxyn is not as stimulating as adderall, I find it relaxing when taken at prescribed dose, it sorta calms your mind so you can focus.

Dexedrine: same as desoxyn, but rather than d-methamphetamine, it's d-amp. adderall is 75% Dexedrine. The other 25% is the l isomer. Some people like the kick in the ass l-amp gives you, as it sorta forces you to focus, and be enthusiastic about everything. That l-amp Is also most of why you get that crash so bad, so as many others, you don't react well to l-isomer stims, and should get prescribed one. Also, vyvanse is essential a slow release Dexedrine, as it turns into d-amp in your liver. It confuses me how you got a bad reaction to that though, as I find vyvanse to not get me high, and to have no crash whatsoever, because it brings you down very gently and gradually. The only actual problem on it was that I got really dry mouth, as in like my tongue was getting stuck to the sides of my mouth, rendering me unable to speak. Water didn't even moisten my mouth at all.

I've been on add meds since freshman year of high school, and the one thing I gotta say is that you don't have to try and "fix" yourself with harmful meds. It led to a rampant stimulant addiction for me, and made me really depressed. I find that I can focus the best when I have no psychoactive drugs in my system, not even caffeine. I'll take l-tryptophan and dmae, along with several vitamins and fish oil extracts, but nothing that actually alters my state. It doesn't happen right away though, you have to be sober from all these thing for a good minute. Weed, surprisingly, also helps, if you smoke it only at night. If you smoke during the day, you won't be able to focus for your life, however, for my SATs, I smoked a bit of wax the night before, and when I woke up for the test, I felt refreshed and ready to do shit and try my hardest. So now, I mostly smoke at night. This works, but not nearly as well as having absolutely no drugs in your system.

Sorry for posting such a long reply, I'm really tweaked on meth haha and I didn't wanna read the other replies, so sorry as well if I stated info that was already posted.

I just couldn't resist ranting about speed.

If your not try an go sober, get desoxyn or Dexedrine or anything, I'd recommend to just take vyvanse or adderall, and when you start to come down, take l-tyrosine 1000mgs. Usually, when I crash on stims, I go below baseline in varying degrees (after taking adderall I'll be back about thirty percent less than normal, with meth, I'm not even functional, just staring blankly, and unable to eat sleep, talk, or think), whereas with tyrosine, I simply return gently back to baseline, and I can smile again and eat fine. Also I'm unsure over whether this is true or not, but if you take it before during AND after, it can reduce neurotoxicity and potentate the drug. Again, this is just info that I've read from old BL threads, as well as some erowid reports, so don't take my word for it.

Also, im just gonna say that amphetamine neurotoxicity is definitely reversible, as is MDMA. Meth however, has beeN shown to create irreversible brain damage when used in large amounts daily for a long time. If you take what's on the bottle, you'll be fine. But don't let the meds take away your soul and creativity, as thats what they did to me for in high school. I just became a zombie. I wasnt writing music like I used to, just taking lots of speed and coke and E, the first two of which were medication and self-medication, respectively.

Alright I think I'm done writing now, I really need to stop This habit of texting people and posting shit on BL and Facebook, I just end up talking too much, often weirding people out though gah I'm doing it again alright PEACE BLUELIGHT.

 

[tricomb]

Personally, when I use prescription amps (methylphenidate not included) as written on the label, I am extremely tolerant to the crash, in fact, the crash, never really comes, I actually feel slightly euphoric, and an odd feeling of simultaneous stimulation and exhaustion. Having said that, I have had more than my share of say meth and MDMA crashes, which are proportionally the closest thing to a person taking pharmy amps and is intolerant of the crash. Take l-tyrosine and l-tryptophan as well as plenty of vitamin c and weed (both of which contain antioxidants, reducing severity of the crash as well as reducing neurotoxicity from amphetamins. (yup, you add meds are damaging your brain.)

I also recommend that you switch to desoxyn or Dexedrine, for these reasons:
Desoxyn: you may think that because its meth, that it would give you horrible crashes and side effects, but in fact, oral methamphetamine has the least crash out of any stim I've ever tried. Even more so with desoxyn, as it's the d isomer of meth, rather than racemic meth racemic meth also contains the l isomer, which isn't recreational, and simply gives you the peripheral effects, like insomnia, jitters, depression, paranoia, etc. It's next to impossible to get prescribed though, unless you're also narcoleptic and/or obese. Desoxyn is not as stimulating as adderall, I find it relaxing when taken at prescribed dose, it sorta calms your mind so you can focus.

If your not try an go sober, get desoxyn or Dexedrine .

I've bolded sections I agree with, and in red text, statements that I dont agree with. Desoxyn is prescribed more frequently than you think for ADHD, without breaking any rules I will say that all it takes is a trusting relationship with your doctor, one who is compassionate enough to understand that not everyone responds to first, second, or even third line treatment. I had too many side effects on all the other medications and have had no trouble getting it refilled from ANY of my psychiatrists, none of them ever raised an eyebrow, but I wasn't drug seeking and they knew that.

But mostly, I think you and I are on the same wavelength right now hahaha.


Related Reading to prevent/reduce amphetamine toxicity.

I use Chelated Magnesium and a plethora of antioxidants, supplements, and vitamins like Vitamin B complexes, multivitamins with lots of other needed nutrients, Protein shakes, coconut oil for any GI problems that may arise, milk, a healthy meal, Vitamin C, D, E, Omega-3 Fatty acids, Chelated Magnesium of course, for it's slight NMDA antagonism as well as the way it makes dextromethamphetamine smoother (if this were at all possible since at Desoxyn level dosing it's already smooth as the inside of your significant other )

 

[Tryptamino]

I've bolded sections I agree with, and in red text, statements that I dont agree with. Desoxyn is prescribed more frequently than you think for ADHD, without breaking any rules I will say that all it takes is a trusting relationship with your doctor, one who is compassionate enough to understand that not everyone responds to first, second, or even third line treatment. I had too many side effects on all the other medications and have had no trouble getting it refilled from ANY of my psychiatrists, none of them ever raised an eyebrow, but I wasn't drug seeking and they knew that.

But mostly, I think you and I are on the same wavelength right now hahaha.


Related Reading to prevent/reduce amphetamine toxicity.

I use Chelated Magnesium and a plethora of antioxidants, supplements, and vitamins like Vitamin B complexes, multivitamins with lots of other needed nutrients, Protein shakes, coconut oil for any GI problems that may arise, milk, a healthy meal, Vitamin C, D, E, Omega-3 Fatty acids, Chelated Magnesium of course, for it's slight NMDA antagonism as well as the way it makes dextromethamphetamine smoother (if this were at all possible since at Desoxyn level dosing it's already smooth as the inside of your significant other )

we must be on the same page, cause i took all of the supplements and items you listed at the end of your post this morning after being up all night from rectal methamp haha
for some reason vaping it stopped producing euphoria, it just made me kinda rush for like a minute and then make me tired, snorting gets me more spun then vaping, and rectal is just soo sedating and relaxing, its unlike the effects any other ROA. i feel like im either not doing enough or not doing it right... either way, i ended up going the safer, healthier way.
also what antioxidants do you use? i usually use vitamin c, green tea, weed or all of them at once.

 

[Ksa]

You ask tons of questions and none of them takes a simple answer. Just ask your doctor to give you a week sample of like 5 medications that you can try. The point is, you can sit here and talk about it or you can go ahead and try it. To answer your question....fuck...here I go again:

Ok, you see, life is 3 dimensional. For example, when someone offers his right hand to shake hands, you automatically offer your right hand as well. The left hand wouldn't work. Why? I mean, they are exactly the same object, they weight the same mass, have the same shape, except that one is the mirror image of the other. That's why it doesn't work.

You got a receptor in your brain ok? That receptor receives molecules, same as the guy's hand receives a hand during a handshake. Dextro-amphetamine is like your right hand, it works. Levo-amphetamine is like your left hand, it doesn't work, so it creates anxiety. Americans have judged that, combined with saccharate-aspartate monohydrate salts, Adderal's 25% levo ratio gives the ideal level of anxiety for a patient to perform well in society. If Adderall makes you anxious and depressed, it is likely because of the 25% levo and so, you need to switch to dexedrine (100% dextro) or desoxyn which is methylated dexedrine...bleh, forget about the methylated part...you need to switch ok? Try stuff out.

 

[tricomb]

we must be on the same page, cause i took all of the supplements and items you listed at the end of your post this morning after being up all night from rectal methamp haha
for some reason vaping it stopped producing euphoria, it just made me kinda rush for like a minute and then make me tired, snorting gets me more spun then vaping, and rectal is just soo sedating and relaxing, its unlike the effects any other ROA. i feel like im either not doing enough or not doing it right... either way, i ended up going the safer, healthier way.
also what antioxidants do you use? i usually use vitamin c, green tea, weed or all of them at once.

Wait, what? I was not up all night from rectal methamphetamine?? haha you have me confuzzled for someone else.

I take in addition to the other ones I mentioned, green tea also, white tea, high potency cannabis extracts, vitamin D, vitamin E, quite a few omega-3 fatty acids, coconut oil, peppermint oil, calcium, multivitamins, milk thistle, chelated magnesium, and quite a few others plus proper diet and exercise with plenty of antioxidants taken in through food, not through concentrated supplements.

The right tea > low dose amphetamines.

Methamphetamine should not be abused via any ROA, but is a very handy tool in the right hands, used as directed under the supervision and care of a mental health professional, like a psychiatrist.

 

[Tryptamino]

Wait, what? I was not up all night from rectal methamphetamine?? haha you have me confuzzled for someone else.

I take in addition to the other ones I mentioned, green tea also, white tea, high potency cannabis extracts, vitamin D, vitamin E, quite a few omega-3 fatty acids, coconut oil, peppermint oil, calcium, multivitamins, milk thistle, chelated magnesium, and quite a few others plus proper diet and exercise with plenty of antioxidants taken in through food, not through concentrated supplements.

The right tea > low dose amphetamines.

Methamphetamine should not be abused via any ROA, but is a very handy tool in the right hands, used as directed under the supervision and care of a mental health professional, like a psychiatrist.

Lol I was up all night from rectal meth lol, u read the sentence wrong
I took those supplements and read your post, after I had been up on rectal methamphetamine

And do you not abuse methamphetamine to some extent (abuse = recreational use)? I doubt you actually use d-meth for ADD alone, i don't think anybody who has used drugs does, or can as far as I can imagine. Although actually I agree that it shouldn't be abused, Meth is fucking bad lol but I do it anyway haha