I have been clean for about 6-7 months off heroin. Someone just gave me a quarter of a 50mcg Fentanyl matrix patch. I have little to no tolerance as far as I'm concerned. How should I dose? And before its not your business so trade it, please note that I wouldn't have posted this if i didn't want a mature and experienced opinion. Regardless of how much Ive read i would still like some responses of my own to go off of. From what Ive been reading breaking a 50mcg matrix patch into 10th's is fairly safe. I generally have a naturally high tolerance for downers yet this is still probably the smartest thing for me to do considering its my first in-counter Fentynal. So i have a quarter, at first i just put the whole thing under my tounge than got a vague feeling that i needed to look into this before taking any amount. Anyone got anything for me? How much should i break this quarter down?
Opioids Can anyone confident with their fentynal experience and knowledge give some advice?
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Try a tenth, not a quarter. You have no tolerance and could easily od. It kicks in within 5 minutes, at which point I would advise taking it out of your mouth. You can redose like this, as needed, but be aware that the difference between an effective dose and a blackout or od is pretty low. If it's a Mally patch you have to peel the thick adhesive off or they don't work.
Don't know what else to tell you, except that you're playing with fire, taking fentanyl like this with no tolerance. If you nod out with a patch in your mouth it's an easy way to die.
Don't know what else to tell you, except that you're playing with fire, taking fentanyl like this with no tolerance. If you nod out with a patch in your mouth it's an easy way to die.
I might even half the 10nth, i used to be heavy weight, but everyone i know says its a bit different, im sure once my tolerance builds to this, which it probably will pretty fast i can dose an enjoyable amount. Have a good day and thank you for your opinion..
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Hope you have a friend nearby with some Narcan. Fentanyl is some potent and dangerous shit. Someone else will have to help you with doses if you're still going to go through with it though. I've only done it once and, for some reason, didn't feel much of anything. ROA was putting a little piece in my mouth and sucking on it. Everything I've read about Fentanyl though says there's a gooey center that you can take out (this contains all of the medication in the patch so be VERY CAREFUL if you're does have one, some people even smoke or IV that gooeyness but that's EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, more so than orally) but mine was just a flat plastic like patch. I almost wonder if the guy who opened the patch up and showed me what to do took the real thing and sold me one of the plastic adhesives with no drugs on it lol.
But yea that was my one experimentation with Fentanyl (or possibly just sucking on plastic with no drugs in it lol.) All I know for sure about it is a lot of people OD by trying to abuse the patches. There have even been some ODs from people taking it as prescribed/directed but fell asleep with a patch on and died.
The fact that you have no tolerance scares me. Believe it or not, it's most likely in the best interests of harm reduction to snort/smoke some heroin instead because it's actually quite a bit safer. Not telling you to do that, mind you, but people with no tolerance that want to use opiates should really be using things like codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone at least until you gain a tolerance and feel the need to abuse stronger/more dangerous drugs. And actually another thing I remember reading is that Fentanyl doesn't even have that much euphoria compared to other opiates... mostly just a lot of sedation.
But yea that was my one experimentation with Fentanyl (or possibly just sucking on plastic with no drugs in it lol.) All I know for sure about it is a lot of people OD by trying to abuse the patches. There have even been some ODs from people taking it as prescribed/directed but fell asleep with a patch on and died.
The fact that you have no tolerance scares me. Believe it or not, it's most likely in the best interests of harm reduction to snort/smoke some heroin instead because it's actually quite a bit safer. Not telling you to do that, mind you, but people with no tolerance that want to use opiates should really be using things like codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone at least until you gain a tolerance and feel the need to abuse stronger/more dangerous drugs. And actually another thing I remember reading is that Fentanyl doesn't even have that much euphoria compared to other opiates... mostly just a lot of sedation.
Right, I may not have a strong tolerance at the moment but i have had some heavy use with opiates for the amount of time i had been abusing them. Those are the stories i have heard too, other "kids" thinking they can handle a little patch, blowing off what others have told them and trying to slap 3-4 patches on at once, i would never do something like that, thank you for caring but im not full potato. And I am totally done using rigs. Thank you for your response! I probably took less than a 10th. And have decided to trade it considering it not very euphoric at all.
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It's not worth it. Fentanyl is just too easy to OD on.
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fent is a crap opiate, IMO, if you are looking for euphoria, that is. it is very sedating and i find it rather nauseating. also, yes, it is very easy to OD on. if you wear the patch (safest way), remove it if you even start feeling a bit of a nod coming on, as more fent. is still in your fatty tissue and will continue to absorb into you after removing the patch (i.e. you are still being dosed for a bit even after removing the patch). fent. really is not for anyone who is opiate naive. if you have no tolerance to opiates ATM, i would recommend staying the hell away from fent.
i actually was sucking on about 1/6th of a 100mcg/hr patch this morning (that had been worn, previously for 12 hours), and accidentally SWALLOWED IT. OOPS. fent. has an oral bioavailability of 33% i believe (relatively low). luckily i have a rather high opiate tolerance as i use 80-160mg oxycodone per day or nearly a big of H. per day. otherwise i would definitely not be writing this right now. i am okay and it has been about 10 hours since i accidentally ingested it so i am pretty sure i am fine, as fent. is a very short-acting opiate. also, it was a mylan patch and the adhesive was still on it. i was just trying to keep WD at bay.
wear the patch as directed if you are going to use it at all, and by no means fall asleep with it on. if you start to seem REALLY, REALLY fucked up, you better find a bupe/nal strip QUICK and send yourself in to PWD. sucks but it's a small price to pay compared to death..
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i actually was sucking on about 1/6th of a 100mcg/hr patch this morning (that had been worn, previously for 12 hours), and accidentally SWALLOWED IT. OOPS. fent. has an oral bioavailability of 33% i believe (relatively low). luckily i have a rather high opiate tolerance as i use 80-160mg oxycodone per day or nearly a big of H. per day. otherwise i would definitely not be writing this right now. i am okay and it has been about 10 hours since i accidentally ingested it so i am pretty sure i am fine, as fent. is a very short-acting opiate. also, it was a mylan patch and the adhesive was still on it. i was just trying to keep WD at bay.
wear the patch as directed if you are going to use it at all, and by no means fall asleep with it on. if you start to seem REALLY, REALLY fucked up, you better find a bupe/nal strip QUICK and send yourself in to PWD. sucks but it's a small price to pay compared to death..
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Start as small as you can. Because it is fast acting you can always take more as needed. But like ive said in other threads fentanyl is not a good high, so if you dont feel as euphoric as you like to thats probably because the drug not the dose, so dont keep redosing til you feel like you did a bag of diesel because you will be dead before you get there. Its safest to have a friend nearby, preferably one without warrents so he wont be afraid to call an ambulance if needed. And expect to feel shitty in the morning. If you have responsibilities ghen save it for another day.
And i have to say it. Is it worth it to throw away 7 months of sobriety for? Because chances are its not and when you figure that out and feel the remorse and disappointment a bag of dope is gonna sound great. If your gonna get high at least do something worth doing because youll probably be half high and wanting more. I dont like recommending heroin but if its that or a shit disproportionately dangerous opiate like fent id say do the dope, but make sure you take into account your tolerance, jumping in head first and doing the multi bag shots (if you used to shoot) is another good way to die. The best thing for your life is to do neither, so dont rule out tbat option. If your too deep in your head to stop now i doubt youll be able to stop after you do the patch, so your probably in for a ride. Just be safe man and next time you get offered fent dont bother. Its only good as an anaesthetic.
And i have to say it. Is it worth it to throw away 7 months of sobriety for? Because chances are its not and when you figure that out and feel the remorse and disappointment a bag of dope is gonna sound great. If your gonna get high at least do something worth doing because youll probably be half high and wanting more. I dont like recommending heroin but if its that or a shit disproportionately dangerous opiate like fent id say do the dope, but make sure you take into account your tolerance, jumping in head first and doing the multi bag shots (if you used to shoot) is another good way to die. The best thing for your life is to do neither, so dont rule out tbat option. If your too deep in your head to stop now i doubt youll be able to stop after you do the patch, so your probably in for a ride. Just be safe man and next time you get offered fent dont bother. Its only good as an anaesthetic.
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i agree with this on many levels. i suffer from sever scoliosis and i am a hairstylist. i work a LOT. my back rages and screams in protest if i'm not "on one". fent is the greatest anaesthetic opiate, IMO. when i use it i GENERALLY use it the right way (wear the patch) and i feel NO PAIN in my back while working on clients.
wearing a patch on and off, as needed, is also a good way to fight WD when in a tight spot for cash. it really does not have any recreational value compared to OC, H. or even hydros.
Toz
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A quarter of a 50mg patch? Ex heroin addict? You will not have much fun, just put the strip between your gums but I doubt you will get much of a buzz out of it.
I was clean for 6 months recently then used fentanyl and I used a quarter of a 100mcg/h patch between my gums to get high (though I did use morphine once before this). It was a perfect dose for me.
I was clean for 6 months recently then used fentanyl and I used a quarter of a 100mcg/h patch between my gums to get high (though I did use morphine once before this). It was a perfect dose for me.
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You do realize that it doesn't matter if you are an ex-heroin addict when you have been clean for a few months right? Maybe the next day your tolerance will be back to what it was but you only need one time to OD.
The problem with these strips is indeed 0.25 x 50 = 12.5 mg p/ hour is a low dose but the piece contains 0.25 x 4.25 mg= 1.1 mg now depending on absorption and other factors (bodweight , physical condition) anywhere between 30-60 mics could be absorbed effectively I reckon , this is a dose for a non-tolerant individual and might even be dangerous in some situations (especially if going by the advice not to expect much one would be so foolish as to throw some potentiation/other downers into the mix).
now a 100 mic. patch contains up to 16 milligrams of fent , if that would be dissolved in alcohol and injected it would probably be enough to kill more than 30 non-tolerant individuals. So the only way I can explain that the quarter was just right for you is that you threw away more than 95 % percent of the fentanyl in there , don't automatically assume everyone else will do the same.
You do realize that it doesn't matter if you are an ex-heroin addict when you have been clean for a few months right? Maybe the next day your tolerance will be back to what it was but you only need one time to OD.
The problem with these strips is indeed 0.25 x 50 = 12.5 mg p/ hour is a low dose but the piece contains 0.25 x 4.25 mg= 1.1 mg now depending on absorption and other factors (bodweight , physical condition) anywhere between 30-60 mics could be absorbed effectively I reckon , this is a dose for a non-tolerant individual and might even be dangerous in some situations (especially if going by the advice not to expect much one would be so foolish as to throw some potentiation/other downers into the mix).
now a 100 mic. patch contains up to 16 milligrams of fent , if that would be dissolved in alcohol and injected it would probably be enough to kill more than 30 non-tolerant individuals. So the only way I can explain that the quarter was just right for you is that you threw away more than 95 % percent of the fentanyl in there , don't automatically assume everyone else will do the same.
i are spectre
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i've always found it most euphoric and lasting very long by using the patch as directed. three days of being blasted.
i actually overdosed by wearing three of the 50mcg/hr patches.
eating them is quite a waste because it is a free base. thing is most people that want to use these to get high dont have the patience to wait 8 hours for it to kick in.
take your shirt off, clip all the hair off a section of your chest, shave it with a razor until it bleeds out lightly, slap the patch on, and you will fry.
be careful, like i said, i overdosed wearing three of the 50mcg/hr patches this way.
i actually overdosed by wearing three of the 50mcg/hr patches.
eating them is quite a waste because it is a free base. thing is most people that want to use these to get high dont have the patience to wait 8 hours for it to kick in.
take your shirt off, clip all the hair off a section of your chest, shave it with a razor until it bleeds out lightly, slap the patch on, and you will fry.
be careful, like i said, i overdosed wearing three of the 50mcg/hr patches this way.