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can anyone answer this perplexing question for me?

crow011

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hey, this is my first posting, so peace everyone . . .
ive been using pills for a while, but just lately ive been starting to use them kind of regularly (like, once a week - maybe twice) . . .
lately, though, ive noticed that i feel nauseous, and then there is a fantastic chance that i'll throw up . . . once i do throw up, im fine and enjoy my merry self . . .
this doesnt really bother me - its just a bit of an inconvenience (i dont want to suddenly throw up in a club - ive been able to make it outside or to the toilet so far, but one day i might not be so lucky) . . .
im well aware that it can make you nauseous, but can anyone recommend anything that wont upset my stomach? . . . ive tried chamomile tea hours before i drop, and that seems to work . . . eating a light scrambled egg and veggie meal worked once, but then it didnt . . .
i thought it was because i was drinking too much water before i actually dropped the pill, but i dont think thats it . . .
maybe ive just suddenly turned into a budgie who cant handle their pills . . . i am very skinny and little after all (because of this, i only take a half, then half again an hour later) . . .
any ideas or suggestions? i hate throwing up . . .
peace and blessed be . . .
crow011 . . .
 
try to avoid taking drugs on an empty stomach... they will take slightly longer to come on but less of the chemical will break down in your stomach before it gets into your bloody stream, and you wont feel so ick the day after.
 
Merry Meet Crow011 :)
For nausea after a pill, i've had a mylanta tablet, and it took some nausea away, but not all of it...something to try? :)
You could also keep a pack of antacid tablets on you such as Mylanta or Quickeze...there others out there, but fortunately I don't suffer from indigestion, so am not familiar with the different brands. My dad used to use the two above and they helped him. A past aquaintance of mine used to get really really nasty cramps on pills that could leave her curled in a ball...aparently antacids helped...
K
[ 05 November 2002: Message edited by: samadhi ]
 
Yeah quik-eze (or Eze-a-goog, as they're known in my group) work wonders. I read somewhere though, that since calcium carbonate coats your stomach to prevent tummy ache, a side effect is that it slows/stops the absorption of the pill. I couldn't find the thread where I read this, but it makes sense.
But hell, i'm sure most of us have had our fair share of upset tummies while pillin', and IMO "losin" a bit of the pill is worth it to get you back up and going, and i've never noticed any drop in the effects.
 
ive gone through roughly the same thing. when i first started dropping i never even thought about vomiting... however i did get nauseous. recently though, even on a low dose i sometimes dry-reach and nearly throow up.
i think its a psychological thing. im so aware of the fact taht the pill might make me throw up that i concentrate on it and thus think to hard, and in a sense 'make myself throw up'.
try telling yourself it wont happen and make sure youre either dancing or in a deep convo while coming up.
 
Many people feel nauseous or get other types of gastrointestinal upset from MDMA. This is because you have heaps of serotonin receptors in your stomach, as well as in your central nervous system, and they appear to get stimulated by the serotonin released by MDMA too. One of these receptors in particular, 5HT3 is known to play a role in nause and vomiting.
As for what you can do, some people find stuff like antacids helpful for mild nausea. You could also try an over the counter nausea treatment like emetrol or dexsal, or ginger capsules/tea. I would avoid prescription anti-nausea drugs like Maxolon and Stemetil (if you happen to have them) as they theoretically have potential to reduce the effects of MDMA (by blocking the D2 receptor). Other OTC drugs like diphenhydrinate/Dramamine and Phenergan have some yucky side-effects like dry mouth, sedation, urinary retention etc which would be particularly unpleasant, IMHO, combined with MDMA.
 
I might just point out this:
ive been using pills for a while, but just lately ive been starting to use them kind of regularly (like, once a week - maybe twice) . . .
Once or twice a week ... I don't know what sort of medical affect on the body that sort of frequency would have, but could the nausea be related to this?
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Originally posted by Hardicus:
Yeah quik-eze (or Eze-a-goog, as they're known in my group) work wonders. I read somewhere though, that since calcium carbonate coats your stomach to prevent tummy ache, a side effect is that it slows/stops the absorption of the pill. I couldn't find the thread where I read this, but it makes sense.
Nah, thats wrong. Calcium carbonate reacts with stomach acid to produce (soluble) calcium ions and carbon dioxide gas. Doesn't hang around long enough to effect pill absorption or anything else.
I haven't got antacids handy to look at, but I didn't think they used calcium carbonate (aka "limestone") generally. I thought it was magnesium hydroxide..
Anyway it is possible that the neutralisation of the stomach acid would slow down the dissolving of the pill, but probably not. I always chew my pills up anyways...
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I personally throw up after every single pill i drop...I'm also pretty small, so that could have bit to do with it...pills affect everyone in different ways, so I just deal with it. Like you, it doesn't bother me, it's just something i know will happen at some stage of the night. You may want to slow down a bit, it may be that your body can't handle the frequency and ammounts you're having, especially if you're quite new to it all...
 
it's probably not the sagest advice, but if I'm slightly drunk I don't even think about nausea because I'm relaxed.
It's a head thing if you're only just experiencing the vomit thing lately. Eat/ drink something you *believe* will stop the nausea (ginger tea, quick-eze, whatever) and it will.
and yeah, twice a week probably is overly frequent for pinging...
 
ChrisV - Quik-eze and Mylant both contain 500mg (i think) of Calcium Carbonate...the only active ingrediant.
 
Dante makes a good point. Certainly one chronic disorder of the gastrointestinal tract, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, seems to be linked to abnormal functioning of the serotonin receptors in your GI tract. Or at least drugs that target these receptors are effective in reducing these symptoms.
crow011: you need to slow down. Weekly pill use will catch up with you sooner rather than later. even if you can ignore the phsical toll, think of the MDMA tolerance that you will soon develop. MDMA just isn't a drug for regular use.
 
hey, thanks everyone for the advice . . .
i think i might stick to the chamomlie tea, and try the antacids . . .
also, i agree - i think its time to slow down as well . . . i might have my last time for a couple of weeks this weekend . . . the magic is kind of wandering off, and i think its wandered too far for me to run and catch up to it . . .
ive learnt alot, though . . . e is a great drug, and ive always felt safe and very happy with my use of it . . .
but i think the recent regular use is actually effecting or perhaps causing the nausea thing . . .
who knows? the only way i'll find out is if i cut it out for a while . . .
. . . and thats exactly what im going to do . . .
thanks again, everyone . . .
peace and blessed be . . .
crow011 . . .
 
To the people who find that they vomit regularly when taking MDMA pills:
Why not try taking fractional doses? Rather than taking a full pill, try taking a half, and then another half about 30 mins later. You should still come up fairly strongly and hopefully taking a smaller acute dose of MDMA might lead to a more settled stomach. If that doesn't work, try taking quarters staggered by 20 mins.
By taking a lower dose at a time, you can perhaps limit the "Omigod I've been poisoned, throw that shit up NOW" response your body is giving...
BigTrancer :)
 
I think your question has been answered, however I'll offer one last suggestion...
Plugging. I've rarely suffered even the slightest nausea when using MDxx, but I've seen a couple of "pukers" (if you will) try plugging, and be rid of their problems.
What's plugging? You guessed it - using the back door. Some crush their pills up into gel caps first, others push them in as is. Put a condom over your finger, squat like you're on the toilet (makes the angle easier...) and push the pill through your arsehole. You should try to reach the second knuckle on your middle finger - you need to get it well inside. It often takes up to an hour to come on, however more of it is absorbed through this method, and most roll far harder & longer. For up to an hour most experience uncomfortable sensations and feel as if they need to hang a crap... Don't - it'll be the most expensive crap you've ever hung. Also, the walls of your anal passage wern't made for absorbing MDxx, and there is talk of repeated/frequent use causing alcers & other damage.
:)
[ 07 November 2002: Message edited by: apollo ]
 
plugging may work, but is not foolproof. ive seen someone vomit from the shear rush of seritonin rather rather than from any effect caused my an upset stomach (due to it being plugged).
 
yes, i am thinking about trying out plugging again, but if it fails again it will be my last time i think. i have tried it twice, and both times have not noticed any increase in effects, and when i first tried it, felt sick, except it wasnt the simple nauseousness i get from the mdma rush - was slightly different.
i think with plugging it is important to crush the pill and use a gelcap, because inside your arse youve basically only got warm water or saliva (eeww gross - whatever it is) to break down the pill, while your stomach has its acid, which means the come on can take a long time due to absorbtion (and not only come on, the dissolving process of the pill can sometimes take so long, it in fact limits the amount of mdma reaching your system at once - thus providing a weak but lengthy peak, it happened to me :( ).
im putting my recent upset stomach problems down to the come on of the mdma rush, except that sort of goes against the tolerance rule, after all, i never used to vomit inthe first year, and more or less dry reach everytime nowadays. yet another factor which implies that its the mdma rush that is causing it, is that i dont usually feel sick, i just start dry-reaching about 30-45 mins after dropping!
however it could also just be a decline in my health level over the last 2 years, these days i get an upset stomach fairly easily (i have a very acidic stomach) and have recently begun exercising a couple times a week and stopped eating fast food like maccas :P so ill post back here if upon improved health i notice a difference.
i was told a while ago that the use of antacids such as qucik-eze reduced the absorbtion of mdma, and a particular evening suggested this was so, but i cant say for sure. im not educated enough to make a judgement, or understand why, anyone care to elaborate for me?
*edit* BUMP! :D
[ 11 November 2002: Message edited by: melancholic ]
 
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