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Benzos Caffine and Benzo withdrawal

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chrisalt

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I was taking any where from 2-5 mgs of clonazepam a day for 1 month. now for the last 3 weeks ive taper down with diazepam and am at 20mgs. starting today im just going to go down 5mgs a day because i havent been on the benzos that long this time.

My question is. Can i drink my coffee? i usually have like 2-5cups a day. Should i stop while in w/d so i dont seize? or am i ok to drink away? Also can i smoke weed? These things lower the seizure threshold i hear.

Edit- I use them to get through my blue collar day and the burn out from weed.
 
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no dont even touch it, it will make you hallucinate or panic. CUt out the caffeine. I used to smoke jwh-250 while in benzo withdrawal, talk about anxiety. Also used to study on ephedrine in benzo withdrawal, some of the worst times of my life. Get decaf and try it for a while

don't think you will seize but your body will hurt and mind will race. Good job on the taper man, you can do it, after u're below 10mg, start dropping 2.5mg every 2 weeks, do it slow, do it right, do it once.
 
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no dont even touch it, it will make you hallucinate or panic. CUt out the caffeine. I used to smoke jwh-250 while in benzo withdrawal, talk about anxiety. Also used to study on ephedrine in benzo withdrawal, some of the worst times of my life. Get decaf and try it for a while

don't think you will seize but your body will hurt and mind will race. Good job on the taper man, you can do it, after u're below 10mg, start dropping 2.5mg every 2 weeks, do it slow, do it right, do it once.
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Yeah i figured caffeine was a stupid idea. I keep drinking coffee or soda over and over again every fucking day and then regretting it. God sometimes i just think not even addicted to drugs. Just misery, pain and suffering. BTW its ive done it b4 slow, right but definatly not just once. I was addicted for 1 year quit cold turkey off a 2-4mg a day clonazepam habit. I went nuts. The second time. i tapered over 6 months after taking minimum 4mgs a day for 2 years. That was long and awful but was sort of functional. Now after another crazy bitch in my life i had to dump i started taking them again end of sept. Now its been 1 month and 3 weeks on them and im doing a rapid valium taper to get this over with quickly but safe.

Next time i take a benzo im litterally never taking them for more then 7 days straight for a valid reason. Recreational use only 2 days in a row. fml

Sry for ranting i just feel so dumb. So any advice on the weed? is it a bad idea?

Yeah id never touch any of those RCs or spice but what about regular weed? is that a bad idea during benzo w/d like stims? When i smoke i dont get the same psychosis basically like when i drink coffee.. plus i dont feel like im going to die. Unless i hit like 5 bongs. but thats my own stupidity.
 
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it depends on the strain really, my 2nd benzo w/d i smoked quite a bit through it and it helped entertain me but would overwhelm me the first half hour every time. If you can find a nice clean indica then you will be fine, but a sativa will make it worse.
 
I used coffee and even clenbuterol during my benzo withdrawal. It depends on person and I could handle those effects. Clenbuterol even did seem to make withdrawals more bearable at some aspects (maybe because effects on delta opioid receptor and increased ketosis) but of course exacerbated physical symptoms but that was my target because I tried to burn fat as much as possible during that period and it did worked. Got very lean but also lost muscle.

Edit: Have to add that I used to walk much at that time and also fasted. That was kind of nice time really... Walked sometimes even 10 hours a day during fasted state. If you are just going to sit in your coach its going to be hell. My blood pressure was about 150-160/100 during that time and BPM about 100. So nothing to worry about in short term.
 
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When I kicked benzos I would drink caffeine free tea, like sleepytime tea or any other chamomile tea works good. stimulants made wd much worse, even caffeine. on the other hand caffeine wd can make the benzo wd worse because of the headache. I would drink much less coffee than you normally do, maybe stretch it out more if you can so you don't get too much in your system at once. I strongly recommend sleepytime tea throughout the day, it will make you feel better.
 
Laika said:
I think that would depend on the personality type.
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I hear that, but is it dangerous? I know someone with anxiety problems prob shouldnt because of benzo rebound anxiety etc.

My main concern is will i seize smoking pot?
 
You should cut down on the diazepam a little faster IMO. I would have started the taper at 20mg and went down by 5 mg every 5 days and then down by 1mg once down to 5mg. If you were only on the clonazepam for a month then you shouldn't drag the taper out that long, and the dose should be lower by now. You could make it worse in the long run if you make a long taper after only being on benzos for a month, because a lot of withdrawal is due to the duration you were on the drug, and not necessarily the dosage.

After only using for a month or so the withdrawal symptoms don't really start until you are almost off of the drug, so you should be able to get down to 5mg pretty quickly and painlessly. I suggest doing that so you can be free of benzos sooner, and so you don't make things worse than they have to be.
 
I highly doubt you would get a seizure by drinking a cup of coffee. It may make the anxiety worse.

Really depends on how bad are your w/d symptoms and how high is your caffeine resistance.

Maybe try drinking half a cup at first and if nothing bad happens go for a full cup next time.

Can't say anything about the weed, sorry.
 
marijuana causes or inhibits glutamate release can't remember, so it may cause a seizure but IME never happened. It also inhibits gaba production which is the opposite of what you need.

stay away from coffee for a few months; i drink it again now i stopped for months because of anxiety. Of course i'm on clonazepam daily now though.
 
RobotRipping said:
marijuana causes or inhibits glutamate release can't remember, so it may cause a seizure but IME never happened. It also inhibits gaba production which is the opposite of what you need.

stay away from coffee for a few months; i drink it again now i stopped for months because of anxiety. Of course i'm on clonazepam daily now though.
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GABA the opposite what OP needs? it is excatly what he/she needs. Maybe you accidentally say that.

I don't know why would cannabis lower seizure treshold?
It inhibits all NT equally. Only what differs ic CB receptor density in different areas of brain wich causes propably asynchronization to nerve impulses/thinking. Isn't it usually excess glutamate wich provokes seizures? At least thats what I thought. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still wondering where the euphoria is coming from?

Just started to use weed for my benzo withdrawal. Mainly for sleep aid and relax tool for evening. I was getting panic attacks and nice rise in BP and BPM because I took too much (I haven't got much experience with weed). Just measured vitals during panic attack, they were 180/95 and BPM 130. Well, everything has a bright side. Little aerobic excersice before going to bed, not so bad at all.
 
cannabis inhibits gaba release iirc and also causes glutamate release (which you get too much of in benzo wd as it is)

op does need gaba but cannabis inhibits gaba production through some mechanism i'm too fucked up to explain now but i have journal articles if u want to read about it
 
RobotRipping said:
cannabis inhibits gaba release iirc and also causes glutamate release (which you get too much of in benzo wd as it is)

op does need gaba but cannabis inhibits gaba production through some mechanism i'm too fucked up to explain now but i have journal articles if u want to read about it
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Yes I know it inhibits. What I've understand though is that it inhibits equally both glutamate and gaba of so the net effect of inhibitory/excitatory transmission +/- 0. No excess calsium and no convulsion based on that logic.

I'm more interested how cannabis makes its euphoria. If it dulls dopamine, serotonin, noradrenaline, gaba, glutamate etc. equally why does one feel euphoria? And if it makes its affects by CB receptors being unequally based around the brains so that some parts of brain are more excitatory than others. So in kind one would assume brains are in asynchronization and thats why some effects born but again how that could produce euphoria? Would be interested to hear theory behind that.

Little off topic..
There have been talk about panic attacks. I treat now my panic attacks by running - if possible. I fiqured out during DXM use when I got little psychotic reaction one day and massive panic attack and thought hemorrhage. Finally I decided to run as fast as possible to trying to prove that I can't have serious hemorrhage, cardiovascular event or other serious situation. I run, I breath and my heart bumps, so I'm alive and health enough, so nothing to panic for (to me at least).

So for now when I have gotten panic attacks with weed I just go to running as fast as I can - and panic disappears. Inside house might consider doing continuously ex. jumps by using big muscles to absorp that over adrenaline&noradrenaline been produced. Sure might work. After all, its what our bodies supposedly is trying to tell us during panic attack: run away asap! So whyt not running when needed like shitting and eating :)

Of course there must be so severe cases that above doesn't apply. That was only my experience with my panic disorder. Ex. I know some friend of mine who when he get panic attacks go to floor and lies there, shouts, and can't move. How would it be able to make him run? Maybe torturing would work.

Edit: I mean I try somehow to manipulate my brains to start finally thinking that when panic attacks and its related paranoid fears try to come full force its only a signal (like cravings) to run not to make mental hazzle. And so hope is that at time my panic attacks might even evolve to put me straight to thinking running instead those paranoids fears that starts to exacerbate panic and negative feelings.

Then my panic disorder would change to be what, obsessive running disorder?
 
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