Mental Health Bupropion/dextromethorphan (developmental code name AXS-05) as new anti-depressant

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So they are studing this combination as anti-depressant, bupropion will increase the plasma level and slows the metabolism of DM.

The observed DM antidepressant effect with onset over 3–48 hours and lasting 7 days after a single administration and 20 days with daily administration is strikingly consistent with the rapid—acting antidepressant effects seen with ketamine, which has provided a sustained antidepressant response for less than one week after a single dose and about 18 days with 6 consecutive ketamine infusions.7 DM also evidenced a treatmentresistant antidepressant response (this patient failed adequate trials of citalopram and vortioxetine). Ketamine response has been predicted by a family history of alcohol dependence;8 the patient’s family history was mildly positive for alcohol use disorders. The duration of DM response was not consistent with a conventional antidepressant response although this might be obtainable in a different dose range.

Upon full relapse in DSM-5 MDD while taking 600 mg/day of the strong CYP2D6 inhibitor bupropion XL, a 300 mg oral loading dose of DM was given, followed by 60 mg po bid after an additional dose—finding period, without side effects.


The dose of Bupropion seems pretty high, the max. dose is 450mg as after that the seizure risk will rise, so I think it's unsafe to test this at home. But it seems they administer it only once, so maybe if taken with some benzos to prevent possible seizures it's safe to try at home.

But for me bupropion by itself is only working anti-depressant that is daily used, of course ketamine and psychedelics are the best ones, but they are hard to get sometimes.

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Took 150mg Wellbutrin XR and 100mg DXM, with 1mg alprazolam so I'll report tomorrow how my mood is. Shouldn't have taken the xanax, but not sure if taking DXM with buprione lowers the threshold of seizures. If not getting positive ffects tomorrow I try 300mg buprione and 300mg DXM without benzos.
 
Feeling great at the moment. Id dindn't take any more than which I mentioned before except 3 mg alprazolam. Reason? Because after taking DXM 100 MG I felt strong depression and hopeless and axiety, so I took 3 1 mg xanax more, maybe it was just DXM come up that caused these negative side-effects. I don't feel dissociated, but my mood is decent, good motivation to go for walk a outside and read books. Tomorrow I report how I feel if this good mood still stays, not sure if should stop taking buprione (second day today). I doubt that taking benzos with this experience will diminish the anti-depressant effects of this test. Benzos shouldn't have effects on the receptors which buprione and DXM use anyway, might e n help out if you feel bad drutign the excperience if you take 600mg buprione and 300mf DXM also reduce seizure risk. Tomorrow I try without any benzos, 300mg buprione and 300MG DXM, not going for 600mg buprione in home settings, too high, maybe with alprazolam its ok, but not sure how good it its to prevent seizures. As to mention I'm not addicted to benzos, I use them rarely few times a month, got the this time to ensure that if any anxiety arises from starting buprione I get rid of it for 1 week after anxiety should go away anyway and don't need to use benzos anymore.

Does DXM lower seizure threshold? Only reason why I took xanax was of fear of seizure of these combinations. Ketmaine would be less hassle, but it's more expensive and harder to get then this setup. Tho' I like that ketamine works only short time, I do not enjoy dissociate effects very much, 600mg DXM can last 6 hours, while ketmaine for 2 hours.
 
Well didn't work, I woke up depressed, but 2mg xanax took that away. Maybe it was because too low doses, one day I try that 600mg buprione (seizure risk) with 300mg DXM, I always found DXM somehow depressing at least under 600mg doses, ketamine is much more better. I better just try to get 0,2g ketamine, that should be enough to fix depression and anxiety for several weeks.
 
I imagine the doses are pretty low. Wellbutrin is a potent inhibitor of CYP2D3, the enzyme responsible for breaking down DXM into DXO and DXO into other metabolites. I made the mistake of trying to trip on DXM while on Wellbutrin once and I'll never make it again. Took 500mg DXM HBr on top of having taken Wellbutrin 150mg for a couple days. Ended up with a terrible, dysphoric trip that lasted well over 24 hours with serious effects lasting a few days. There was less dissociation and more of a delirious psychosis. I believe it's what they call plateau sigma.
 
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I imagine the doses are pretty low. Wellbutrin is a potent inhibitor of CYP2D3, the enzyme responsible for breaking down DXM into DXO and DXO into other metabolites. I made the mistake of trying to trip on DXM while on Wellbutrin once and I'll never make it again. Took 500mg DXM HBr on top of having taken Wellbutrin 150mg for a couple days. Ended up with a terrible, dysphoric trip that lasted well over 24 hours with serious effects lasting a few days. There was less dissociation and more of a delirious psychosis. I believe it's what they call plateau sigma.
Interesting, as studies states that 600mg buprione XR with 300mg DXM fixed depression for many people for several weeks. But yes you're DXM dose were too high and took many days row, that was the problem, even without bupriopne people take DXM in row 3 days and end up in some crazy delirious trip. Even with for me just 600mg buprione can cause to see some spidery things moving around (not scared of spiders so no problem) and colors go to that strange delirious color.
 
600mg is a lot of buproprion lol. I've done it a couple time and it is quite stimulating but not exactly what you'd call fun, at least by itself. I had a fantastic time taking 600mg + a couple of grams of Phenibut
 
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