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Opioids Brorphine

Feretile

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I note a new class of opioid. It contains 4 of the 5 key moieties of a strong opioid, an ideal biosteric minimum and a clear metabolic pathway. If you go back to the 60s, Janssen produced some closely related compounds. In that case, a figure of x450 pethidine (x45 M) was given but that p-Br is important in obtaining the correct biosteric minimum so it may be more potent.

What I DID notice was that it is closely related to bezitramide (Bugodin™). While the n-propenoyl of bezitramide is suppose to be hydrolyzed by the GI tract, bezitramide is often given via bolus and so bezitramide rather than N-despropenoyl bezitramide will be the active drug.

Just to be clear, the x450 pethidine figure was based on writhing tests. The study was such a long time ago that the Straub tail-test wasn't used so it's hard to guess it's potency in man. It's of academic interest because it shows that rigid bioisosteres of the amide moiety produce activity and MAY go some way in understanding the active conformation of fentanyl.

Bezitramide it also interesting as an example in which a nitrile replaces the more common ketone moiety. Primary amides are also seen in related compounds and so their is a question over what these moieties DO. It may well be that they are simply space-filling. The methyl side-chain of methadone famously rotates one of the benzene rings and is a requirement, but it's not clear unless one overlays methadone & normethadone in a minimum-energy conformation. Dextromoramide shows a refinement of the specific rotation.
 
Worth knowing.

I am of the opinion that a legal dextromoramide (Palfium) analogue would be very popular. It's only x3 M in potency but that means it's easy to eyeball and since it's orally active (and produces a rush when used orally), it's safer overall. Of course, Janssen ONLY identified 1 compound of the class with significant activity.
 
It would be great if the gray/black market RC scene came up with something that is fairly safe. I mean there is O-desmethyltramadol, kinda surprised that hasn't totally disappeared. Seems like so many of the RC opioids are sketchy.
 
I'm truly amazed that whoever produced O-desmethyltramadol didn't read the papers and know that substituting the -OH with a -F solves all of the problems. No problematic SERT or NET activity AND it's x5 more potent than O-desmethyltramadol!

I am only too aware that fluorinating agents aren't too friendly but DAST and such are reasonable to handle. I mean I always try to devise routes using non-toxic reagents but DAST is about as safe as it gets in the -OH ---> -F step.

I presume that swapping the cyclopropylamine moiety with a pyrrolidine ring will work.

Of course, even the precursors to dextromoramide are controled.

I do have a design for something about x25M that is 1 step from commercially available precursors. The 1 step is also a name-reaction, so it's not like I have to GUESS that it will work.

AFAIK it's a class that hasn't been covered so I suppose people could keep altering it..... but even x25 is maybe too much. Eyeballing would not be ideal and I do not like solutions.... IVing is risky and leads to risky patterns of behaviour. Once 'the needle barrier' is broken, people often seem to shoot ALL of their drugs. Look at Russia. People IV MDMA.... so I for one do not believe their official HIV figures.
 
That's the thing, people are gonna be reckless, you can't stop that. If people could not be ignorant/reckless, an x25 opioid could be just fine, but people are gonna rack up lines, or shoot a bunch of it, because they're used to street drugs that are cut so you can do a big pile.
 
on it right now. no real euphoria and kinda boring. i feel itchy and no real sedation. will redose one more time and thats it. can anybody make a comparison between brorphine and fentanyl? can you distinguish them in a blind test?
 
I think I read bad stuff about brorphine, that it would induce irreversible tolerance by some kind of neurotoxicity at the receptor level. Unsure about whether this was correct - anybody having read/heard the same?
 
think I read bad stuff about brorphine, that it would induce irreversible tolerance by some kind of neurotoxicity at the receptor level. Unsure about whether this was correct - anybody having read/heard the same?

I think you’re misinformed. After 2 days of trial I would say it’s a rather bad but not completely useless opioid. Think tramadol but a little less maybe.
 
I used brorphine for roughly 8 months or so. My friend almost died by quitting cold turkey and it was a very strange experience coming off of it myself. It wasnt bad overall.
 
on it right now. no real euphoria and kinda boring. i feel itchy and no real sedation. will redose one more time and thats it. can anybody make a comparison between brorphine and fentanyl? can you distinguish them in a blind test?
Interesting, just replied to you on the other thread saying I liked it more than Fentanyl. What ROA did you use for this? I found it more euphoric than Fent but in a blind test I do wonder if I'd be able to distinguish the two..probably not but a part of me wants to say I'd be able to
 
Interesting, just replied to you on the other thread saying I liked it more than Fentanyl. What ROA did you use for this? I found it more euphoric than Fent but in a blind test I do wonder if I'd be able to distinguish the two..probably not but a part of me wants to say I'd be able to

Have never tried any of the fentanyls but i suspected plain fentanyl to be better than brorphine. I think i used it rectally or nasally.
 
Have never tried any of the fentanyls but i suspected plain fentanyl to be better than brorphine. I think i used it rectally or nasally.
I've tried many fent logues, I'd honestly say Brorphine is the best one if it even is a fentanyl analogue. I should've tried Brorphine rectally, nasally it didn't do much, oral was mid, vaping was the best but short
 
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