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Breathing in solid particles with N2O

mutant

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Has anyone else had this? Taking a breath out of the balloon, and feeling little solid particles along with the gas? It doesn't hurt or anything, but I was just wondering what it is. My fellow nang whore buddies' theories include:
1. pieces of metal from the bulb (I really don't like this theory)
2. pieces of plastic from the balloon
3. frozen particles of nitrous
We're probably totally off but if someone could put this straight I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
 
Well, I've also had that feeling, but I was using a bulburator (read: chef style whipped cream dispenser sans cream)
The bulb itself has a tiny bit of lubricant on/in it so the needle that pieces the bulb doesn't get destroyed, what you're probably getting is some of that, along with ice formed from the expanding nitrous. They probably feel harder than they really are because of the amount of pressure they are hitting your mouth at.
I doubt it's metal, rubber from ballons don't really break off in tiny pieces unless you REALLY freeze them, and the nitrous cannot be frozen due to the laws of physics. Basically, if it stayed as a gas when it was in the bulb and under pressure, it is still going to be a gas when it comes out. The coldness is due to the gas expanding and reducing in pressure.
 
Nice one Fetish Jester... :)
It could well be small particles of your saliva that have been frozen by the gas. If you rebeathe the nitrous (doing so is strongly discouraged) then the moisture would be coming from your breath and upon putting the next hit into the balloon, being frozen and breathed in.
If it was metal, I think you'd know. It'd also probably pop the balloon when you released the gas into it. As for pieces of the balloon, a hole would be very obvious... A small "chip" in the surface of the rubber would probably result in a weak spot, a loud bang & wasted nitrous.
I've felt these little things too, I'm certain they're ice as they're cold & they dissapear within seconds.
:)
[ 10 November 2002: Message edited by: apollo ]
 
Thanks guys, it's so good to know I'm not breathing in metal particles! :D
Apollo, one more thing: why is it not good to rebreathe the nitrous? I was actually gonna post about that. If you breathe out back into the balloon, are you breathing out some recyclable nitrous as well? Or will it be just CO2? I'm pretty new to nanging and the method I was shown was just to keep breathing in-out-in-out of the balloon. I thought it would make sense if I'm actually breathing N2O back into the balloon, but if it's only CO2 I guess it would be pretty pointless. Anyway, so what is the "recommended" method? Take a puff, hold it, breathe out, breathe some air, take another puff and hold it? Thanks!
 
Being a nang whore from way back, I feel qualified to answer this question...
Nitrous gets absorbed pretty damn quickly when you inhale it, thus the amount of nitrous you have to recyle would be pretty small. The big problem with rebreathing is you're running the risk of inhaling too much CO2 than is good for your body.
A good method to get quite plastered and still be quite safe is to empty your lungs (i.e breathe out) and then take a full lungful of Nitrous. Hold this for as long as possible. Halfway through holding your breath, you'll probably be quite nanged out and breathe out automatically. After that, you can breathe normally while being pretty hammered.
The main aim is to get as much nitrous in one hit as opposed to just taking small hits. Well, in my circle that's how it works. ;)
 
hey mutant.
the particle type things you’re experiencing are solely ice crystals formed from the water vapour in the air around the nozzle of the bulberator. while its noticeable in balloons, those nang whores who suckle directly from the teat would know the feeling of the icicles hitting the back of your throat.
while most cases of physiological damage stems from huge, prolonged nitrous binges (http://www.resort.com/~banshee/Info/N2O/nitrous.dangers.html), there have been a few studies that link the hypoxia resultant from low O2 levels with minor neuron damage (which is no less contradicted by studies showing the low N2O levels may actually inhibit neurotoxic damage in some situations).
for this reason i would follow fetish jesters suggestion, but make sure that you get at least a decent gulp of real air in every lung-full of nang. it diminishes the nitrous effects a negligible level, and leaves any heme molecules that aren't grabbing for the N2O with a few oxygen cells to carry to your brain.
always a good thing. :)
as always, for a bigger picture head to erowid
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous.shtml
/elver out.
 
Yep, the last word is definately that they are icicles, you know when you are holding a full ballon and it makes a sort of crunching noise? Well, I get that, and those are the ice particles that you are inhaling. :D
 
Oopsies, I forgot to ask:
I read that you're not supposed to breathe directly from the canister cuz you could freeze yourself etc, but is it okay to breathe directly from the nozzle of the bulberator?
[Edit: Availability question deleted. BigTrancer]
(I'm allowed to ask this question, right?) -- Nope, not really. Keep searching, you will find what you're looking for. BT :)
[ 12 November 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
One point to note with soda siphons and some whippers, the release handle doesn't always have progressive resistance. This means that you may start pushing and release the gas, and the handle will collapse to full release, letting the gas out MUCH too quickly to inhale and hurting your mouth and throat. Make sure you put a finger either side of the handle and control the pressure slowly while you inhale.
BigTrancer :)
 
N2O: Dispenser triggers, metal fragments, increasing absorption and some health warnings
Triggers on soda/cream dispensers, as BT said, are usually non-linear or uneven in action. To avoid the risk of freezing your lungs, N2O should never be taken directly from a high pressure dispenser. If both lungs freeze, you will probably die very quickly!!

In stating this, I understand that many people actually take their nitrous "straight from the bottle". I have to admit on occasion, in amidst my crazy nitrous daze, I also did this when balloons (or in desperation, condoms) weren't around. But I always first checked the trigger action. My old soda bottle has quite an "even" trigger, so as BT says, by placing your 2nd or 3rd finger under the trigger to resist the push, it’s easy to leak the gas out gently with pressure from the index finger. But be very careful. People have died from lungs freezing, so always try to have a balloon handy.

As soda bottles are often sourced via op shops, garage sales etc. and are difficult to clean thoroughly, it is well advised that you should filter the gas as it leaves the bottle. A clamped or tight plastic tube with a cotton wool plug works ok. I haven't read much on the famous bulberator, but I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to employ some inline filtering in its design.

Although ice is produced by the expanding gas, metal fragments could also be present in what comes out of the dispenser. Older dispensers can have blunt or rough piercing tips. In turning the soft metal seal of the bulb against a rough nozzle cutting tip, it makes sense some metal filings could be dislodged. Older units can also have plastic bulb holders which are subject to wearing on the thread. This loosens the bulb fit, and may contribute towards producing filings.

Many old dispensers also have rubber seals and other plastic fittings which deteriorate with age or use. My old soda dispenser has some sort of crust or inner coating which is dislodged under pressure from the gas. A folded handkerchief over the outlet catches all visible signs of loose particles. A handkerchief also makes a good emergency filter.

Good point regarding oxygen. If you’ve ever had nitrous at the dentist, you may have noticed that the high seems somewhat different. Oxygen is given to avoid hypoxia and to regulate the degree of effect. When taken with ~40-50% O2, N2O gives an amazing initial effect, with the first sensations being a warm tingling sensation which seems to start in the legs and move up.

Quite different from the usually instant & oxygen deficient hit from a bulb.
Be careful of the anesthetic actions during a nitrous binge. You may not think before doing things you normally wouldn’t. If you are crazy enough to progress to getting your N2O by the tank, realize the difference between auto-grade, food & medical N2O. You would probably have trouble obtaining it these days, but a few years back it was easy to open an auto gas account without suspicion. If you are set on doing this, at least get the proper fittings, so that you know what you’re talking about. You will also have a regulator.

A REGULATOR IS A LIFE SAVING DEVICE.

The freezing potential of gas coming from an unregulated gas cylinder is orders of magnitude higher than it is for bulbs! It will take out an eye and frost bite fingers.

Filtering is very important with auto-grade N2O. Auto destined N2O is not intended for human consumption. An old gas chart from CIG, showed the difference in relative purities between the 3 grades; auto, food, and medical was only small ~1-2%, but the auto grade also contained some impurities, namely; hydrogen sulphide (H2S) and SOx . Even in small amounts, these gases are very toxic. H2S is only slightly less toxic than cyanide, and becomes hard to smell following prolonged exposure. These unwanted gases can be successfully filtered using inline peroxide and lime filters.


Also good to note is what sarsan said. Nitrous is not benign, although it’s not thought to be as dangerous as other disassociatives. However, if you spend a couple of days on the gas, some facilities seem to take weeks to return.
N2O is metabolised using vitamin B12 and associated cofactors and enzymes. It's easy to develop B12 deficiency, which could be difficult to reverse, and which could play havoc on your future health. Oral supplements alone may not help, as it is difficult to absorb B12. If you think you are a candidate for B12 deficiency, see your doctor who can give you a B12 shot.

mutant, I don’t wish to sound encouraging with this, but you may be interested to know that if you compress your lungs by wrapping your arms around your chest and squat following an inhalation, the degree of N2O absorption is increased considerably. Be careful, and always have a soft landing around you in case you pass out.

The worst short term damage I've seen from N2O involves people falling down (unconscious) from standing too quickly after a hit. Thankfully these have been limited to a bleeding nose and several nasty lumps on the head, but the potential for serious head injuries should not be underestimated. Also, cyanide blue lips are not a desirable look, even for Goths. Blue lips indicate insufficient heme bound O2
Time for a break and some fresh air.

A quote from http://smokedot.org/story/2001/8/19/175834/181
"Incidentally, folks, never take disassociatives and try to navigate a house of mirrors. You'll end up breaking your nose." - orbitz

Edit: correction; p_d
 
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ha ha I Lke the dissassociatives comment..
I'm an advocate for the metal micro filings myself.
I dont know at what point in the storage process they are made though. Maybe when the actual BULB is being produced..
All i know is that after a hard recovery party nanging my titties off, you can open your bulberator and wipe your finger around the inside of the neck (or in fact on ANY surface inside the canister) and you will come out with a grey metallic, "Look I'm the Tin Man on the Wizard of OZ" coating on your finger.
I too feel these occasional "twinges' and lumps but usually dismiss them.
(MAYBE cos im inhaling something thats gonna fuck me up rather shortly.. and i dont want to waste the concentration.. ha ha ha)
I used to think ICE but no, i concede they are of metallic influence.
BLAH
=K9=
 
^^^^^^^
You'll find the proper ISI dispensors are lined with plastic.
I used to get what you all describe with my old soda syphon. But now that I have a cream dispensor I never get the solids. My personal opion is that it is ice from condensation freezing inside of the canister.
Also that grey stuff your all worried about is food grade lubricant so don't fret.
 
"nanging my titties off" --> LMAO!!!
phase_dancer: thanks for the super in-depth post! Can I just get you to clarify something though? I'm a retard so I got kinda confused from your post re: the terminology for the bulb accessories. I thought that a soda/cream dispensor is the same thing as a bulberator. Am I wrong? So what's a bulberator? thank you~
 
Yes...
a soda carhger and all other names thereof are one and the same as the "BULBERATOR!!!"
mwuh ha haa..
THanks to Fry-d-
"Nang-0Fiend" is now my new petword for this week..
Much more token than Nang-Slut or Nang-Ho.
NANG-FIEND
NANG-FIEND
NANG-FIEND
NANG-FIEND!!!! ha ha ha
 
WOO! This is probably the first and only time doing a materials science subject will help me in Drug discussion.
eddi spgeddi said:
nitrous is an oxidising agent...
bulberators are often aluminium...
aluminium oxide is very bad for you, get a glass or plastic whipper.
Aluminium oxidises pretty freaking quickly even in normal conditions. One of the reasons it is so corrosion resistant is because it forms a layer of Aluminium oxide on its surface. Sure, to be on the safe side you could get a glass or plastic bulburator, but I highly doubt you'd be inhaling any aluminium oxide with your aluminium bulburator, because the suface already has oxidised. If nitrous really oxidised the metal bulburators, we'd see a lot more explosions and fractures from nang whores that use them.
 
Hmmm...just thought this deserved amention. The other day I was bulbing (with my homemade bulberator), and I found a small piece of metal in the balloon, it looked like a piece of the coating of the bulb...i'm not too sure, but I now tend to check the balloons before I inhale, cos chances are it will happen again. Just a heads up.
 
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