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Brain Damage from DUSTER

Creakle

Creakle

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Sorry mods, but I am posting this in this forum as well as the Health Q&A forum, cuz I think it applies to both! Please don't close both of them.

Here is a question I just posted to Ask Erowid.

I wanted to know if one is likely to have permanent brain damage (even if very mild) after a single use of Duster-II, inhaled in four short breaths while the nozzle is held four inches from the mouth. The chemical constituent of it is difluoroethane. The high obtained was mild in nature, but cognitive abnormalities have been noticed for four days since the event. The problems include very subtle memory deficits, peripheral vision errors, and focusing on multiple things simultaneously. Basically, will the minor problems that have persisted for four days since intoxication eventually disappear? How long? Is permanent damage likely after only one use?


I asked this because even though I only did a small amount four days ago, it seems that every day the shitty effects become more pronounced. It could be all in my head, I am a bit of a hypochondriac. Is it possible for the damage to become MORE apparent as time goes on? This is worrying the fuck out of me as my brain is my most prized possession!
 
Having looked at some toxicity data for both 1,1- and 1,2-difluoroethane, I doubt you'll have caused any brain injury from this one short term exposure. All the data I can find are from constant exposure over a few hours, albeit probably at a lower concentration than you'd get from huffing. In any case, if brain damage had occurred there wouldn't be much you could do about it.
Difluoroethane seems to cause problems with the heart, rather than the brain.

Just avoid huffing solvents, would be my general advice.
 
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So...considering the infinitely weird nature of well, nature, biology, organs and such...it is POSSIBLE that I caused permanent, but mild, brain damage.

If what I'm feeling is brain damage, which I think it is, then is it possible that it will repair itself over time? I inhaled the shit last Tuesday... I've read probably the same data you did. The main concern for me is the feeling that my brain has a diminished capacity for concentrating and remembering several things at once. I'll give an example if more people reply to this thread. THanks
 
Creakle, by your posts you are WAY too smart to be doing Duster!

WTF, dude!

Just definitely don't do that shit again!

:D
 
^ Really, dude! Wtf?!

Creakle said:
This is worrying the fuck out of me as my brain is my most prized possession!
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Then don't inhale compressed gas designed for cleaning your computer's keyboard! Come on, bro.

I do think you'll be okay, though. ;)
 
I know that's the funny thing junglejuice. thanks also for the compliment. OK so..maybe this is just my way of testing just how strong my brain really is. Hah... more likely a form of self-mutilation. That's the self-analysing explanation for it anyway.

giantsquid, "duster" is slang for really high end BC-grown bud.

edit: Thanks Church buddy!
 
Well there are plenty of anaesthetics based on fluorinated hydrocarbons/ethers, so unless you actually deprived your brain of oxygen I cvan't see it having any long term effects.

As Rhombus mentioned, the main cause for worry is their effects on the heart. When halothane was introduced as an anaesthetic they had all sorts of bad things (including several deaths) from the interaction of halothane & sympathiomimetics (adrenergic drugs) on the heart
 
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Well there are plenty of anaesthetics based on fluorinated hydrocarbons/ethers, so unless you actually deprived your brain of oxygen I cvan't see it having any long term effects.
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They still use these types of anaesthetics? I know they used to use things like ether and chloroform to anaesthetise patients a long time ago but that doesn't mean that they don't cause any brain damage.
 
It's weird...there's nothing major I can notice, but it feels like there's these "holes" in my brain where thoughts wander through, and like subconscious things are slipping around in my awareness, whereas before they didn't or I didn't notice. This could be psychosomatic... but it feels like my awanress is "flatter", and that things aren't as confined to their individual places. Then again, since I'm explaining it so fancily, perhaps it's impossible for it to be due to duster. Either way it seems like a shit-nightmare.
 
Creakle said:
It's weird...there's nothing major I can notice, but it feels like there's these "holes" in my brain where thoughts wander through, and like subconscious things are slipping around in my awareness, whereas before they didn't or I didn't notice. This could be psychosomatic... but it feels like my awanress is "flatter", and that things aren't as confined to their individual places. Then again, since I'm explaining it so fancily, perhaps it's impossible for it to be due to duster. Either way it seems like a shit-nightmare.
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I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you explain again?
 
They still use these types of anaesthetics?
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An ether that's used extensively in Australia is methoxyflurane. My local dentist uses it as a cheaper alternative (for him) to fitting a nitrous system.

When I asked him about it, and the fact in many places that it's been withdrawn from use, he admitted he knew nothing of it's pharmacology. I gave him a copy of the MIMs entry.


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Adverse Reactions

Note. Use in anaesthesia is contraindicated.

No systematic data have been collected on the frequency or nature of the adverse drug reactions of methoxyflurane when used as an analgesic. There are no data on the dose dependency of the adverse drug reactions, therefore all of the documented adverse reactions are possible, however no statement regarding frequency can be made.

When used as an anaesthetic. Common: retrograde amnesia, nausea, vomiting, coughing, drowsiness, sleeping, dizziness, dislike of odour, fever, polyuria, headache.

Rare: nonspecific hepatitis, malignant hypothermia.

Other reported events: cardiac arrest, respiratory depression, laryngospasm, bronchospasm, hypotension, bradycardia, renal failure, increased serum urea, increased serum creatinine, increased urinary oxalate excretion, increased serum inorganic fluoride, pallor, muscle relaxation.
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Interactions

The concurrent use of tetracycline and methoxyflurane for anaesthesia has been reported to result in fatal renal toxicity. The possibility exists that methoxyflurane may enhance the adverse renal effects of other drugs including certain antibiotics of known nephrotoxic potential such as gentamicin, kanamycin, colistin, polymyxin B, cephaloridine and amphotericin B. Dosage for the subsequent administration of narcotics may be reduced.

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What's also perhaps some concern is that methoxyflurane is reportedly widely used by Australian paramedics as an emergency analgesic.
 
What exactly is wrong with Australia?

Oh...forgot... it's just one big experiment :)


This thread has served its purpose, as I have realised how ridiculous my anxities were. The main problem is anxiety, not the fucking things I obsess over when it rears its head. Thanks to everyone for humouring me though, and helping me get through a bit a snatch.

I did a medium dose of acid today, and had a wacky time. There was some fear ; I guess you have to be afraid of something, to pass the time, or something. But besides that, everything's beautiful
 
isnt Duster the thing those 2 girls on the movie Thirteen were doing at the start of the movie? How they were inhailing it laughing and hitting each other?
was that it?
 
yeh I think it was. I actually read a bluelighter saying he tried it cuz he saw them doing it in the movie.
 
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yeh I think it was. I actually read a bluelighter saying he tried it cuz he saw them doing it in the movie.
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lol, yeah i kinda wanted to see what it was like when i saw them in the movie doing it. Do u know where the post was?
 
definitely in the "Come on now, really, how many of you have done duster?" thread. could be wrong,but I'm pretyy sure
 
Yea you should expect some minor brain damage. I know a kid in our school, he tried huffing Duster once and he had a bad reaction to it and became paralyzed. Now he is in a wheel chair and paralyzed from the waste down.
 
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