Best SSRI, SNRI, DRI, NRI for PAWS? I'm going on one..

Would it be so bad so pay a doctor for their expertise? You keep trying to self medicate Bo and that is not working for you. Make a list of things to talk about and see the doctor. Most of these meds can be had for $4 at Walmart and I bet you pay out the butt buying online without a script.

I'm afraid you will kill yourself by accident mixing drugs. Be careful please :)
 
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I've been having amazingly good results with the supplements. Frankly I'm kind of blown away at how good this stuff is working.

I've been taking L-tyrosine w/B6 in the morning, 5htp in the afternoon, and a combo capsule designed for anxiety



^^ THIS ^^

it seriously works. I was/am amazed as well. I've been taking D (don't get much sun yeh know lol), B12, and fish oil too.
 
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All the supplements you listed have helped me in a big way when i cam off subs. They'll all pretty inexepensive and easy to find
 
I haven't made up my mind yet as I'm still not sure what route I will take.
The sleep thing seriously surprised me when I made it like 7-8 days sleeping fine after the sub, and then for w/e reason I slowly and slowly started losing like an hour every night. Sub is a fucking cunt and I'm pretty sure even though I was on the lowest dose possible (.10mg) it still somehow managed to delay the actual begining of the paws.

That really pissed me off cause week 1 I felt perfectly fine and like I was in the clear. Now I'm averaging about 4 hours of sleep a night, sometimes 3, other nights 5. But usually around 4. This has been going on for like 10 to 11 days now. And I noticed when you don't sleep, it really helps aggravate anxiety levels.
I was ONLY able to make it through school today by dragging my ass to the school gym TWICE, and running a total of 7 fucking miles on like 4 hours sleep. I'm not really sure how I did it cause at points as I was running my eyes were actually getting heavy. The craziest feeling in the world to actually wanna sleep when you're running.

Anyway, the running managed to exhaust most of the anxiety before both classes. I made it through them pretty well. But I definitely feel if I didn't do that I would have been shakey and anxious as fuck going into class and could have prob had a nice little panic attack. I mean I cant run that much everyday I have school especially with the little sleep I'm getting. I basically put myself through hell before both classes so I could experience a little less hell during class. Did I mention yet how much I love opiates? haha. If opiates were a person I would tie them to a bed under a tub of battery acid. And I'd let the acid leak out drop by drop so it took about 6 months to fully kill and dissolve the pos. Thats seriously what paws almost feels like at times.
Like acid is slowly being fed into my body and I just feel toxic all the time.

I have mad respect for hamclamp and how far he has got me with some of the advice I've got from him in the past. So anything he says to do is something I will absolutely do. I actually just wasted about an hour and a half reading about tyrosine. They said it doesn't increase the mood in normal people, but for people who are stressed out or sick, they've collected significant data to prove that it DOES help in those situations.
I never realized how important tyrosine is. It makes dopamine, adrenaline, noradrenaline, and I was actually reading that pods synthesize morphine from tyrosine. It seems like the intermediate for a lot of neurotransmitters, so I'm sold on getting some.
I don't notice shit from b-vitamins but apparently they aid in the absorption of l-tyrosine, so I'll go back on b-vitamins and get the tyrosine tommorow.
And I might as well get the 5-htp too, and maybe some melatonin cause I've heard that mentioned in other threads.
I usually don't have faith in vitamins but at this point I'm willing to try anything. I still get crazy sensations in my skin, the occasional hot flash, goosebumps and sneezing has been out of control, cripping anxiety for w/e reason the second I wake up. And I notice it slowly gets less and less till night time (I would expect it to be the other way around which is weird). I can usually fall asleep now pretty fast, but my body always springs awake in like 4 hours. Then I usually lay there pissed off trying to go back to sleep.. which never works.

And wtf, does anyone here get hotflashes as part of their paws? It really seems like part of my acute phase never completely stopped.

As far as the meds I am a bit scared like hammy said. The problem with ssris is if you have a bad reaction, stopping the meds doesn't make that reaction stop immediately. I'm worried of having a bad reaction, stopping, then having the anxiety run through school. I'd be a mess if that happened.
And in response to hemp I truely believe at this point in my life that pyschiatrists/drs are a waste of time. You have no idea how many times I've been fucked by a doctor in the past putting me on meds while not having a single fucking clue what they were doing. Medical drs and psychiatrists DO NOT get trained for psychosocial factors. All they learn in graduate/med school is biology/chemistry.

Not to mention self medicating for the most part as been better than being a pawn/guinea pig to some idiot who doesn't know a single thing about addiction nor psychology.

So I'll give the supp route a shot first and see if that does anything.

Thanks everyone, the support is very much appreciated.

(I should note my typing has largely deteriorated since the taper so if its annoying its just the paws, and by "deteriorated" I mean my ability to write creatively)
 
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hotflashes last a couple months for me but benzo w/d was blurring the opiate w/d, fun. The one thing I really disliked was out of nowhere I would get a strange dope sick feeling, anxiety flowing thru my body, shaky hands, kinda like the feeling right before I would score. Shitty feeling that lasted a few months eventually decreasing in intensity, duration and frequency. Not to mention depression, fuck all that.

peace.
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Hang in there Bo!

Glad to hear you're gonna try some of the non-pharma remedies. I hope you get some results. One word of warning regarding Melatonin: It is VERY important that you only take Melatonin after dark. Ideally about 1-2 hours before bed. Melatonin is produced by the brain after dark. If taken during daylight hours it can reek havoc on your Circadian Rhythm (body clock).

Also: Take Vitamin B6 with your L-Tyrosine as it needs the B6 to work. It can be hard on an empty stomach so I always take it with some toast or crackers or something light like that.

A lot of folks use the 5HTP before bed as it seems to help promote sleep. I've not noticed that effect myself.

I'm the eternal skeptic. I've got to see results to believe them. If this stuff wasn't working for me I'd be the first one to shout it from the rooftops. I'm also too much of a hardhead to be wowed by placebo effect. This stuff has blown me away as to how effective it really is. We all have different body chemistry so of course your mileage may vary. I do hope, though, that you get some positive results. It's worth trying IMO as the pharms will always be there. I always try the "natural/alternative" rouite first, though, as I'm scared shitless about getting caught up in the pharma trap. It seems that the side effects negate any benefit in many cases. Our bodies and brains have been through enough! What we need, after getting the poison out, is something gentle, something kind, and of course something effective. I hope you get some results!

Good luck, Bo, and if you or anyone else needs some reliable and reasonably-priced sources hit me up and I'll be glad to help.

Hang tough man.
 
Ok I just got back from the vitamin store.

I'm not one to have much faith in vitamins/supps but I think I've nearly exhausted every route. And I figure it would make more sense logically to give this one good shot before I consider pharmaceuticals.

I treated the store like my drug dealer and got more than what I planned on initially buying lol.

This is the lineup:
L-tyrosine (max strength) 750mg caps
Vitamin B-6 - 100mg
5-htp - 50mg
Magnesium/Potassium/Bromelain (I figured calcium is too easy to get from foods)
L-phenylalinine
Melatonin
Passion Flower/Valerian Root mix
Ascorbic Acid Powder (vitamin c/anti oxidant)
Full spectrum vitamin


I'll also be taking this stuff which I already had at home but haven't been taking:
Soy Lecithin Pills
Flax Seed Oil
Fish Oil (omega 3&6, I have a lifetime supply of this shit don't know why I never take it)
DMAE (which I use to read crazy shit about)


And thats it. It came to about $80 and that was after the 15% discount (they think I still workout at the gym across the street and give all members a discount, thing is I'm not a member anymore lol but they stopped asking for my card a long time ago).

Ok I'm sitting down right now I haven't ate in like 4 hours so I figure I can try the l-tyrosine/b-6 combo now. I figure even if I don't feel any sort of relief for the amount of fucking shit I bought thats the suppose to regulate the nervous system it HAS TO DO SOMETHING to speedy up the paws process.

Lets hope this works I'll post back later and thanks everyone once again!
oh and one stupid question, should I be taking the recommended amounts or more? Like the 5-htp I think you're suppose to just take 1 a day, but would there be any point in taking double? And same thing with the melatonin how much of this stuff should I be taking? I figure the l-tyro I'll start at 1500mg and see how I react first. But should I just take the recommended doses for everything else? Thanks.
 
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..woowwwww.

I was just sitting down making some music and I noticed I felt warm and fuzzy almost out of nowhere, and my head just feels a ton better (I feel like a lot of that foggy paws feeling went away). I feel extremely relaxed right now, but when I get up I can move around and feel pretty good.
Is this the l-tyro? This shit is fucking gold if this is what it actually does. It almost feels like I took a weak opiate or something. It just started so I'm trying to see how far it goes. But this is not even close to placebo like when I take kava kava or something, its a very obvious head/body change.

I think I need to live with the effects for a few more hours though before I really know whats going on. All I know is I was just sitting here and was like "damn, I feel pretty fucking good". Its near impossible for me to get any sense of joy lately, and to actually feel warm/energized AND relaxed has seriously taken a load of my body.
You guys have never failed before with the advice/tips but I simply was NOT expecting this big a change.

And that was only from 1500mg with 100mg b-6, I wonder what 2500mg and 150mg b-6 would feel like. Now I see why people hype the shit out of l-tyro it really is some effective shit.
 
Hey Bo!

Glad you decided to give it a shot. On days that I've forgotten my L-tyro/B6 I turn around, go home, and take it. I can feel the difference. Sounds like your brain is already thanking you for it...

You've got a nice healthy stockpile there- looks good.

Here is what has been working for me as far as dosage:

L-Tyrosoine: 1000mg 1x/day (morning) Can be taken 2-3x throughout the day @500mg. dose but I just hit it hard first thing in the morning.

B6: 100mg 1x/day (morning with L-Tyrosine)

5-HTP: 100mg 1x/day (afternoon- evening) Some argue that as little as 50mg. is all
that's needed. Mine are 100mg capsules so that's what I take.

Melatonin: 1mg-3mg one to two hours before bed ONLY after dark NEVER during daylight.

L-phenylalinine: A lot of folks stack this with the L-Tyrosine/B6 although I've not used it.

Hit the vitamin C hard!

Valerian: 500mg-1500mg before bed as needed for sleep. Also can be taken for anxiety but it makes me too sleepy to take in the daytime. The stinkier the better. If it reeks like a gym shoe you've got the good stuff!

If you end up staying with this stuff be sure and shop around for deals. I've had fantastic results with L-Tyro/B6 from the dollar store. Total cost $4.50. If you like the Passion Flower let me know and I'll point you to a kickass extract @ 100g for $10.00. Gotta cap it yourself but I toss & wash it or stir it into juice and just chug it when I'm out of caps.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Peace.
 
Ham, I can't send PMs but I can receive them...if you have a chance and want to PM and point in the right direction if you have time that would be great. Sounds like you've found the right combo; I know I've read about tyrosine in the past and always wondered if it REALLY helped.
 
Will buperenorphine block the opiate agonist effects of effexor? Im on effexor xr 75 mgs. Anyone have experience with the xr/ Shit now im on benzos, baclofen, neurontin, and effexor... Seems like Im in a heap of trouble when it comes to withdawl.
 
Really? Will it make me sleep less or more? Or just throw off my sleep cycle in general you mean?

And for a quick update I think I must have got some crazy newbie reaction to the l-tyro cause I absolutely didn't feel the same effects I got from it yesterday. I actually didn't feel much of anything from it today. I mean I don't feel as sluggish as tired, but the absolute lack of motivation and energy is still there. And for whatever reason it vanished yesterday a few hours after taking my pills.
I'm thinking my body may be more confused than anything when it sees actual vitamins in it, so maybe its still trying to figure out what to do with them =]

I'm not sure why I got the initial reaction but was rather confused when I felt nothing today. Good old paws I guess. I could always up the tyro too which I may do tommorow. Sleep is good though. I don't seem to be waking up like I use to in the middle of the night. But the one thing I really want the most is some good stable energy to get me through the day. I'll give it some more time and we'll see how everything goes I guess.
 
Good for you for not going down the pharma route first. I mean AD's work for a lot of people, but AD's also don't work for just as many. I'm back on my effexor, and yeah the initial side effects suck (loads of anxiety, dilated pupils, etc.) There's conflicting reports about whether venlafaxine (effexor) acts on opiate receptors or that the analgesia is instead caused by modulation of serotonin and adrenergic sites. Don't be dumb like me and try effexor (the withdrawals are absolute hell). Also, I'd stay clear of tramadol. It's withdrawals are opiate like, but they can also cause seizures. It's strange that if a semi-synthetic opioid like tramadol also has affinity for serotonin and norepinephrine sites, only then can it be thought to be an antidepressant. Like someone mentioned before, any opiate is an antidepressant in the sense that it makes you feel better. It's only when a drug immediately makes you feel better, that the risk of abuse becomes troublesome. Opiates make me feel better, effexor makes me feel a little better. Both withdrawals suck majorly, so which is better? I guess the one with less abuse potential, but I'm still not sure of the answer. Probably neither.

Anyway, the supplements will only help, even if not noticeably at first. Also, hit your body hard with good nutrition. It is recommended to only use melatonin temporarily and that the typical 3mg dose is a bit excessive. 300mcg is more beneficial.

Bo, congrats on your progress thus far. When I was going through paws, I found it very hard to just get up and get moving, let alone go running. It seems you most definitely have the will power, so I'm looking forward to hearing of your success. Keep up the hard work (because it is indeed hard!)
 
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welbutrin is the only thing that has worked for me. but i had to lower it cause it was giving me too much energy durinmg the withdrawal. to me it does cause some insomnia. ive known peiople taht say it increases anxiety. if you were feeling dull and tired/dead id say welbutrin is the best, but if ur having panic and anxiety id say it may not be the best/ but still give it a shot cause like i said when i was over my last benzo w/d it was the only thing that worked for making me feel better./ ive had no problems lowering from 450 to 150 welbutrin it was virtually painless.
 
also that purple drank shit knocked me out. not sure if this information is helpful or not. but for the record i prefer lil wayne's drank any day. but cant be doin that shit.
 
I completely agree with the guy talking about effexor. I was on it through rehab and I stopped taking it when I got out. I figured how bad can withdrawal from an anti depressant be (and ive been through methadone, heroin, and benzos withdrawals) and it was hell. I could have taken more but I decided that I didnt want to ever go through that again. But I am off it now and did some reading on it and there are reports that it was tested on opiate addicts wishing to detox vs placebo and the effexor showed very promisng results for detox. So out of all the AD reports I have read it looks like effexor is the one. It is related to tramadol in many ways and it is a phenethylamine.
And if you wish to stop taking the effexor at some point I reccomend switching to prozac first for a few days because it has a super long half life and will prevent the hard crash of comming off of effexor. Also effexor XR seems to be more effective IMO.

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