best dosage to feel talkative/sociable/not sedated on xanax?

[ao90]

at my peak benzo abuse i could easily go through 500 mg in a month and barely remember weeks, but that was ages ago. basically i've slowly been taking some .25's, .50's, and 1 mgs of xanax to build up tolerance against the sedating effect. last night i must have taken maybe 8-10 mg just in hopes that I would wake up with that morning after glow you sometimes get with benzos but to no affect. i was just tired and i've mostly just felt tired when i've been taking these small doses. hardly any of that feeling free to say what comes to your mind effect i remember (not that that is my aim. benzos just tend to make working at a supermarket go by way quicker). so what i am wondering is if I should just start taking more for the initial dose bc frankly that's what I used to do instead of just .5 or .25 every hour like i've been doing lately. thing is i'm scared if i just take 4 mg at once that i'll just be an unresponsive slob since all these little doses have just made me tired

 

[dopamimetic]

Best is to avoid the benzodiazepines in general and xanax seems to be potentially even more addicting than the average BZD because of it's pharmacokinetics and it's a dopamine agonist which is quite unique amongst the benzos ...

For occasional use, phenibut might be worth a try but I'm not yet sure about it's tolerance / addiction curve. If it is like the pharmacology suggests (gabapentin-like) then you just have to carefully and gradually taper it after prolonged use.

Did you ever do very low dosages of dissociatives, e.g. MXE (the best in terms of being sociable) or ketamine, even DXM when you find the really right dose? They are quite different than the GABAergics of course, but when used in moderation, you get much more out of them for the price you'll have to pay. Dissociatives are somewhat unique in that they can be recreational while being on them and having an antidepressant, motivational comedown. It's just that when you go too far, you'll find yourself in a full-on psychedelic rollercoaster

And/or very low dosages of dopaminergics like methylphenidate can be social lubricants too.. depends on your reaction to them, some become anxious, for others like me they are effective anxiolytics (and there is no amnesia!). But it's certainly nothing to do while being benzo tolerant.. then the dissociatives could even help you get that tolerance down! (look at scholar.google.com - NMDA antagonist GABA tolerance etc)

 

[ao90]

Best is to avoid the benzodiazepines in general and xanax seems to be potentially even more addicting than the average BZD because of it's pharmacokinetics and it's a dopamine agonist which is quite unique amongst the benzos ...

For occasional use, phenibut might be worth a try but I'm not yet sure about it's tolerance / addiction curve. If it is like the pharmacology suggests (gabapentin-like) then you just have to carefully and gradually taper it after prolonged use.

Did you ever do very low dosages of dissociatives, e.g. MXE (the best in terms of being sociable) or ketamine, even DXM when you find the really right dose? They are quite different than the GABAergics of course, but when used in moderation, you get much more out of them for the price you'll have to pay. Dissociatives are somewhat unique in that they can be recreational while being on them and having an antidepressant, motivational comedown. It's just that when you go too far, you'll find yourself in a full-on psychedelic rollercoaster

And/or very low dosages of dopaminergics like methylphenidate can be social lubricants too.. depends on your reaction to them, some become anxious, for others like me they are effective anxiolytics (and there is no amnesia!). But it's certainly nothing to do while being benzo tolerant.. then the dissociatives could even help you get that tolerance down! (look at scholar.google.com - NMDA antagonist GABA tolerance etc)

i appreciate the harm reduction advice, but i think you're kind of derailing my original question lol. currently i only have xanax and yes i've tried some of those that you've mentioned and will consider looking into the one i have not in the near future but currently, i am trying to figure out why repeated low doses of xanax make me tired, whereas upper doses get me wired and just ready for life, if that makes sense

 

[dopamimetic]

Yeah, might be due to the dopamine agonism of xanax / alprazolam - that in low dosages you feel more the GABA-A effects that are quite sedating and when going higher, you'll get stronger dopaminergic activity leading to stimulation ... and/or combined with the increased disinhibition (it's pretty confusing that inhibitory GABA leads to disinhibition by inhibiting excitatory glutamatergic inhibition) but that's why people do stupid things on high dosages of benzos or alcohol maybe... together with the rising cognitive disturbances and amnesia of course..

 

[Johndoedoe.junk]

If it's a benzo you are determined to use, I find lorazepam (Ativan) to be far less sedating than Xanax. That and clonazepam (Klonopin) have good anxiolitic effects for me without the sleepiness of Xanax. YMMV of course. Valium just makes me agitated.

 

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