Benzos Benzo withdrawal

[34-Empathy]

hello,

2 days ago I started my course for benzo withdrawal, being prescribed 30mg diazapam.
this isnt touching the sides for my anxiety, cramps, mood slep and agitation.
this is my second day on the scheme. tomorrow I am being assesed again, will they put me on a higher does as this is lcearly not making me feel comfortable?

I am in the UK. I do not want this to get high, but want these horrible effects to go away, and when I take the 30mg there withdrawal subside for a few hours, then anxiety and restlessness come, and it seems to be worse than yesterday.
a reply tonight would be much appretiated.

Very sorry for the spelling.

J

 

[Vertical]

I'm sorry to hear you have to go threw those kind of WDs. Witch are the worst you can go threw. I have went threw them also and i did it a crazy way.. I was on Opana 40mg a day Snorting it. And at night i would take a 4bar(Xanax) to come off and go to bed at night and start over the next day for a 2 years straight. When ever i decided to quit i went cold turkey on the Opana while still taking the Xanax to go to bed that last about 4 or 5 days of feeling like SHIT... But i felt so much better after it was over then i decided well if i can do that i can do the Xanax no problem... WOWSERS. Lol. I was in for it i didn't sleep for 3 or 4 days when going cold turkey from the Xanax and i just felt weird and my brain felt like it was fried... I called the doctor to ask for something for sleep, he gave me Librium 25mg.. They helped sooooo much and they are not addicting like xanax i got a bottle of 60 and i still have 20 left and this was a year ago.. so if you can get that medicine it will help you.

I Hope This Helped.

 

[jazz hands]

I don't understand exactly what you're trying to do... You usually take 30mg diazepam but now are trying to take less?

Regardless, going as slowly as possible is important. As long as you don't drop too fast, it should never really ever get unbearable. If it does, go slower. A good doctor should understand that this process has to be done slowly.

 

[Charles Bronson]

hello,

2 days ago I started my course for benzo withdrawal, being prescribed 30mg diazapam.
this isnt touching the sides for my anxiety, cramps, mood slep and agitation.
this is my second day on the scheme. tomorrow I am being assesed again, will they put me on a higher does as this is lcearly not making me feel comfortable?

I am in the UK. I do not want this to get high, but want these horrible effects to go away, and when I take the 30mg there withdrawal subside for a few hours, then anxiety and restlessness come, and it seems to be worse than yesterday.
a reply tonight would be much appretiated.

Very sorry for the spelling.

J

Find alternative methods/treatment options for your predisposed anxiety issue brother man. Are you sure that the right benzodiazepine conversion took place? 30 mg of Diazepam equals about 2 mg Clonazepam or Xanax. What were you on originally/how long? And no, it's pointless getting your dose raised upward of 30 mg of DZP, otherwise you're hard work (of 2 days) will be flushed down the toilet once you reduce your benzo dosage every 2 weeks.

Take 15 mg twice a day. Diazepam has a short half life, but oxazepam/temazepam have intermediate acting half lives and nordiazepam has an ultra long half life (something like 100-200 hours). DON'T TAKE 30 mg AT ONCE!

Hope this helps, rough it out bro.

I'm sorry to hear you have to go threw those kind of WDs. Witch are the worst you can go threw. I have went threw them also and i did it a crazy way.. I was on Opana 40mg a day Snorting it. And at night i would take a 4bar(Xanax) to come off and go to bed at night and start over the next day for a 2 years straight. When ever i decided to quit i went cold turkey on the Opana while still taking the Xanax to go to bed that last about 4 or 5 days of feeling like SHIT... But i felt so much better after it was over then i decided well if i can do that i can do the Xanax no problem... WOWSERS. Lol. I was in for it i didn't sleep for 3 or 4 days when going cold turkey from the Xanax and i just felt weird and my brain felt like it was fried... I called the doctor to ask for something for sleep, he gave me Librium 25mg.. They helped sooooo much and they are not addicting like xanax i got a bottle of 60 and i still have 20 left and this was a year ago.. so if you can get that medicine it will help you.

I Hope This Helped.

Librium is still addictive bro. It's similar to diazepam: 5–30 hours (Active metabolite desmethyldiazepam 36-200 hours: other active metabolites include temazepam and oxazepam.), temazepam is probably the main reason that you could sleep, IMO.

I don't understand exactly what you're trying to do... You usually take 30mg diazepam but now are trying to take less?

Regardless, going as slowly as possible is important. As long as you don't drop too fast, it should never really ever get unbearable. If it does, go slower. A good doctor should understand that this process has to be done slowly.

He was converted over to 30 mg of diazepam for his withdrawal regime. He obviously wants to or has to get off benzodiazepines. Every 2 weeks, drop 5 mg, start up an awesome antidepressant, and buy heaps of Co-codamol//Co-dydramol...it's my understanding that you can buy this shit OTC in the UK?

 

[3dmusic]

Hi 3,4-Empathy

I'm also from the UK.
I am glad I saw this post. I am addicted to valium and I have tapered from 15mg to 3.48mg. I started tapering in late 2009.
Can you give more information about your course?

In benzo withdrawal, rapid detoxes are very bad, and can greatly exacerbate and prolong suffering)
Have you heard about the ashton manual, its otherwise known as the benzo bible.
It's written by Professor Ashton, who ran a benzo withdrawal clinic years ago, and it gave patients time to taper off the benzos in a way which would minimize withdrawal symptoms. The taper plans in it are a bit aggressive but the manual talks about many aspects of withdrawal.
The horrible effects you are experiencing sound much like benzo tolerance withdrawal. Your body is craving more and more benzo to achieve the same effects.

Have you heard of Battle Against Tranquilisers, www.bataid.org, or BAT as they are known.
They are a specialist charity run by ex benzo addicts and current benzo addicts. They really know their stuff.
They are UK based and serve the whole of the uk, have a look at their site?
Look at the PRODIGY notice in the downloads section for details on how to taper as safely and as comfortably as possible.
They have an advocacy service and may be able to advocate for you if Doctors are unwilling to let you taper at your own rate. That is important, you must be in control of your taper.

Importantly, detoxes are NOT advised for benzos. They may be ok for alcohol or heroin, but definitely not benzos. This is because they bring you off benzos far too quickly. Some people who go to detox centres for benzos cannot handle the withdrawals and go back on benzos again.

I hope you get a lot out of this post.

 

[GABAking]

GO SLOW! Benzo w/d if done incorrectly can kill a patient, unlike many drugs which just make you feel like shit. Before offering advise it's really critical that we know what benzo you were taking/how much. I wish you the best

 

[34-Empathy]

Hi 3,4-Empathy

I'm also from the UK.
I am glad I saw this post. I am addicted to valium and I have tapered from 15mg to 3.48mg. I started tapering in late 2009.
Can you give more information about your course?

In benzo withdrawal, rapid detoxes are very bad, and can greatly exacerbate and prolong suffering)
Have you heard about the ashton manual, its otherwise known as the benzo bible.
It's written by Professor Ashton, who ran a benzo withdrawal clinic years ago, and it gave patients time to taper off the benzos in a way which would minimize withdrawal symptoms. The taper plans in it are a bit aggressive but the manual talks about many aspects of withdrawal.
The horrible effects you are experiencing sound much like benzo tolerance withdrawal. Your body is craving more and more benzo to achieve the same effects.

Have you heard of Battle Against Tranquilisers, www.bataid.org, or BAT as they are known.
They are a specialist charity run by ex benzo addicts and current benzo addicts. They really know their stuff.
They are UK based and serve the whole of the uk, have a look at their site?
Look at the PRODIGY notice in the downloads section for details on how to taper as safely and as comfortably as possible.
They have an advocacy service and may be able to advocate for you if Doctors are unwilling to let you taper at your own rate. That is important, you must be in control of your taper.

Importantly, detoxes are NOT advised for benzos. They may be ok for alcohol or heroin, but definitely not benzos. This is because they bring you off benzos far too quickly. Some people who go to detox centres for benzos cannot handle the withdrawals and go back on benzos again.

I hope you get a lot out of this post.

basicly I was using etizolam, but huge doses, like 250mg within a week, and the weekend before being arrested for assult on my mother ( which has never happened, I am not violent at all. ) I had a massive blackout, I remember nothing of that weekend.

my doctor tested my urine for benzo and nothing come up. being its etizolam, but after him consalting another doctor they immediatly put me on 30mg valium. this has stopped some withdrawal. but my craving for getting more is un barable, at first it was fine, but now i have been offoered 100 x 10mg valium, and i feel i need these so badly. mentally and physicly.
its my 5 or 6th day on 30mg and its horrible. I need valium, i get the 30mg and just need to feel something from it, this is the mental addiction isnt it?
I go to lanton hall in croydon, and I am worried that iff more than 30mg of the metabolites show up il be kicked off, and will never be able to have treatment again from them. is this true for UK?
I do want to stop them, but i can not bare reality right now. the bordem is killing me, i cannot work at the moment because of the meds. so all i think about is this. i know they can not feed the addiction but i really really need more :'( i want cry this is really not nice.
when ever I sleep its nightmares. I want to be clean, I want to be sucseusful. and this will never happen if i continue benzo.
what can I do? shall I phone up lanton hall tomorrow and explain how im feeling.
my doctor said im showing light to moderate signs of withdrawal.
I have a good mate of mine who says to try get off it as fast as possible, he is very inteligant and hs allot of experince.
WHAT SHALL I DO?!?!?!?!

can one go on living on say 50-60mg valium a day for life and be sucsesful?

thank you all for the replys. and again sorry for the poor spelling
J

 

[RobotRipping]

I think your valium dose is just a bit too low and that's why you're suffering so bad. I went from 4mg clonazepam to 30mg diazepam/day and it hurt so fucking bad and i couldn't get my dose increased. After a couple weeks i got used to it though.

it may be possible to live while on a nice dose of valium every day but the difficult part is getting a dr to prescribe you that much and there are the usual risks of addiction/dependency. For me the memory problems are the worst, i can't remember anything when i am on benzos.

the nightmares were terrible for me, that was one of the worst parts during my benzo withdrawals. I hope you make it through okay, good luck, it gets better and if you are suffering and the dr agrees to up your dose, it's no loss, the more comfortable you are the less likely you are to have protracted withdrawals and other psychological issues.

 

[34-Empathy]

do you think I could ask to be put on clonazepam? or would that be a stupid thing to ask?
this is a rehab clinic im at btw, this isnt my GP

 

[34-Empathy]

do Benzo have a high laps rate also?
I really do appreciate all the help people. I really do.

 

[3dmusic]

Hi

I'm from the UK.
It sounds as if you are addicted to the 30mg valium and need to do a slow taper off.
Did you have a look at the ashton manual I posted?
Did you have a look at the website I linked you to above? WWW.bataid.org ?

You need to get in touch with them asap, they can help you with doctors issuing scripts etc.
I wouldn't take more benzos than what you are scripted for, escpecially as non scripted benzos all have differing doses, if any valium in at all.
Have you taken more? is that why you are worried you will be kicked off.
Coming off 30mg cold turkey can be life threatening and risk of seizures so it would be unsafe to bring you off this much.

You need to stabilize before you can start tapering off benzos and the tapering needs to be really slow.
Slow wins the race with benzos, coming off too quick will prolong your agony.
when ever I sleep its nightmares. I want to be clean, I want to be sucseusful. and this will never happen Whatever you do, don't come off or decrease suddenly.
Phone BAT as soon as possible, email them if you can't get through.

 

[34-Empathy]

I did look.
what i was meaning was, 30 is not cutting it. I have taken 60 mg promethazine on top of my 30mg to see if it would help. I just feel slow and dopey...
i did mention at my last meeting about moving up dose, but he was content on 30
I really feel mysepf getting those 1--- x 10mg tabs and doing them. like 20mg on top o my 30 3 hours later. as i feel ok for an hour or so, then shit again.
is clonaz an option?

 

[34-Empathy]

the reason I am on 30mg is because I am addicted to them, there tapering me off them now, but the 30mg is only helping for an hour most. then followed by agression headaches heart palpitations and feeling of weakness

 

[kickedit]

It is possible to withdrawal from benzo's.

I was on Xanax 3mg a day for over eight years for anxiety. I detoxed from them cold turkey starting almost four weeks ago. I was given gabapentin and holy crap it was a life saver. I tried to detox from them in October and only ended up in the hospital and reinstated on them. I have been able to work through the entire detox - I am an administrative assistant. It's not that it was easy...it was hard, but possible. I had hallucinations...visual and auditory, teeth numbness, felt like world was moving under me, memory and concentration troubles, insomnia, and others. However I NEVER went into a panic and it had to do with the gabapentin. When I tried in October I had a burning sensations down my arms and legs, metallic taste in my mouth, and horrible life debilitating anxiety. I swear on this drug.

I also kicked methadone cold turkey in July after being on it for 12 years at 76mg......I feel that was much harder. I was sick in the acute stage for over 40 days and then was in post-acute withdrawal for about four months

 

[keychick]

Never ever detox from benzos without a Dr.s help.
You could die very easy. Or you can die tough?
A person i know almost died from detoxing alone, without supervision.
Opiate WD is a blessing comparred to benzos.

 

[34-Empathy]

I spoke to BAT they laughed at the dose there giving me saying its way to low.....
i explained my goal isnt to get high, they believe me. but they have to speak to my doctor. my feeling is my doctor will not up my dose because they can be smug and know what there talking about. he had no idea what etizolam was. and the amount i was on areragly a week = 2000mg diaz.
etizolam doesnt show in there drug test. and gave me 30mg to cover there backs.....

Hi

I'm from the UK.
It sounds as if you are addicted to the 30mg valium and need to do a slow taper off.
Did you have a look at the ashton manual I posted?
Did you have a look at the website I linked you to above? WWW.bataid.org ?

You need to get in touch with them asap, they can help you with doctors issuing scripts etc.
I wouldn't take more benzos than what you are scripted for, escpecially as non scripted benzos all have differing doses, if any valium in at all.
Have you taken more? is that why you are worried you will be kicked off.
Coming off 30mg cold turkey can be life threatening and risk of seizures so it would be unsafe to bring you off this much.

You need to stabilize before you can start tapering off benzos and the tapering needs to be really slow.
Slow wins the race with benzos, coming off too quick will prolong your agony.
when ever I sleep its nightmares. I want to be clean, I want to be sucseusful. and this will never happen Whatever you do, don't come off or decrease suddenly.
Phone BAT as soon as possible, email them if you can't get through.

 

[34-Empathy]

I'm not now temptedd to buy more diaz from somewhere else and given my parents and addingt to my dose they give me. because thisisnt working. im more ill today i feel like i have the flu, and because i am not shacking loads my doctor say " your fine" arogant cu*nt. but will be scared of getting kicked off the sheme if more diaz motabilites show. I am not wanting to acheive a high! i think they thinkg i am :'(