Benzos Benzo and Opiates Help please

[CrackedOut]

Hi, I was recently at the hospital on june 27th because of seizure/heart attack like symptoms. I had gone 2 days trying to quit cold turkey. I haven't taken a benzo since june 25th. I have gone through hell and back trying to quit heroin and xanax these past 2 weeks. Just yesterday I was taken from my home to a house a house I do not know. I feel the panic attacks coming back being here. I'm not sure what to do. I was doing so well by telling myself everyday i can get through this. Just one more day. I feel like I'll relapse if I stay here any longer. I don't want to relapse but my mom doesn't trust me home right now. The withdrawals are coming back full force. I feel like I was kidnapped away. I feel as if people are going to take me away again. Shadows have started to make me twitchy. The insomnia is coming back. Stomach cramps nausea everything is coming back even stronger. Idk if I should take the bus and train back home while...

Edit: Forgot to mention I have been a daily user of both for 2 1/2 years.

 

[bunge]

Im sorry to hear about your recent issues mate but youve made it really far withput any help amd you should take some pride in that.
When was the last time you took an opiate?
Also, what benzo where you taking before you quit? Some benzos have an insane half-life (diazepam can stay in your body for up to 200 hrs) which could be why the worst WDs are hitting now.
You shouldnt just flat out stop any benzo if taken for a longtime as the WD can become very dangerous (seizures, etc).
Trying to quit both opiates and benzos at the same is a good way of setting up to fail and current best advice is usually to quit the opiates first while using the benzo to help with WD symptoms and then tapering down your benzo slowly (using a benzo with a long halflife) before quitting the benzo.
The opiate WD shouldnt be life threatening in a fairly healthy individual, just very unpleasant.
If your symptoms worsen though, seek medical assistance to be onthe safe side.

 

[CrackedOut]

Hi, thanks for the reply. The last time I took an opiate was 3 weeks ago. I used 30-90mg oxys and when I ran out I would use heroin. Around 4-7 stamps(USA North East Stamps 10 in a bundle) a day. As for the benzos I used, they were xanax. Around 4-10mg a day for about 6 months daily depending on how fast I would blow my paychecks on these evil things. The only problem I have right now is being forced to go somewhere 3 hours away in a house all day long. I thought I was doing really well quitting cold turkey fighting the withdrawals. I just want to go back home where I was comfortable. I don't want it to seem like I'm running away. I've been contemplating on whether I should take the bus back home.

 

[bunge]

By the time frames youve given me, i think you would be better just toughing the remainder of your WD out without any more benzos or opiates.
Be proud mate, your past the acute phase of withdrawal!
I think what your suffering is highly increased anxiety over being whisked away to your cousins. Made worse by the highly agitated state of your brain due to the benzo WD.
Cant you explain to your mum that you are over the acute WD phase and that this "kidnap" move is actually setting back your recovery? I think that if you just leave your cousins and get the bus home then it might come across as you being desperate to get near your dealer again and might hurt any trust you could build with your mum during recovery.
Explain that you quit cold turkey so willpower isnt an issue and that being at home with her support on hand will give you a better chance of avoiding relapse.
Most important i think is to remain calm and give a reasonable arguement for going home, without getting angry or upset.
I dont think this is your WD coming back at all and dont think your in any serious danger. Just as i said before increased anxiety due to the situation and your brains delicate state.
I hope feeling abit better by now anyway and if theres anything else i can help with feel free to ask. :-D

 

[Corazon]

are you still clean from the 25th? or did you start using again after you got out of the hospital on the 27th?

 

[tre6chambers]

sad to hear this as i myself have been through the same exact withdrawl you are experiencing..I myself took the suboxone route and next week will be one year completely clean off heroin and any other opiates for that matter. I also had a seizure from xanax in november of 2012 it was hell i was in the hospital for three days where i was then put on klonopin 1mg 3x a day by my sub doc who visited me in the hospital. I am still taking the klonopin and it works. ive grown to hate xanax and also fear it. What i want you to know is that quitting both drugs at the same time cold turkey is not only dangerous but life threatning. You need to find a suboxone doctor and seek therapy for the heroin problem. locking yourself in a room or house for days will not solve the mental addiction, i know because i tried it. my fear for you is another seizure from the xanax withdrawal. Basically to sum this up you need medical intervention from a doctor or psychiatrist and seek counseling. feel free to message me if you have any questions whatsoever as ive said ive been through exactly what you are going through.. there is a light a t the end of the tunnel but mainly you have to want to quit yourself..im not a god fearing man but i will keep u in my thoughts i know this is no easy task but it can be done.

 

[bunge]

^
Sound enough advice in general but if the OP hasnt had any benzos since the 25th (nearly 3 weeks) then hes unlikely to suffer anymore life threatening symptoms from benzo WD. Especially since he states that the symptoms "came back". Ime WD starts bad, gets alot worse and then gets better. Not ,gets better and then suddenly returns fullforce. Highs and lows may happen day to day or hour to hour when yourin WD but surely not weeks apart.
Please correct me if im wrong though because im by no means an expert (lol), i just dont want to unduly worry the OP when hes in an anxious state already.

 

[tre6chambers]

^
Sound enough advice in general but if the OP hasnt had any benzos since the 25th (nearly 3 weeks) then hes unlikely to suffer anymore life threatening symptoms from benzo WD. Especially since he states that the symptoms "came back". Ime WD starts bad, gets alot worse and then gets better. Not ,gets better and then suddenly returns fullforce. Highs and lows may happen day to day or hour to hour when yourin WD but surely not weeks apart.
Please correct me if im wrong though because im by no means an expert (lol), i just dont want to unduly worry the OP when hes in an anxious state already.

Youre right BUNGE but in the case of xanax withdrawal you will go through withdrawls for at least a few months depending on how bad OP abused them..im in no means trying to scare anyone im just stating my own personal experience and what my doctors have told me. seizures are a main concern with the benzo withdrawal even after a few weeks..benzo withdrawal is like this..youre feeling terrible starting at about day 2 day 3 youre unbearable then after two weeks you start to feel better but you obsess over it..feel a lil better then next day you again are withdrawling with tremors etc, benzo w/d is scary and very complex. im no expert eiither but ive been through it enough times until i had my seizure and wised up. basically what i was trying to say that OP doesnt need to be locked in a strange residence he/she needs treatment and thats plain and simple..again im not an expert but i have alot of knowledge on this subject and it hit home for me.

 

[bunge]

Ah i see.lol im uk based and alprazolam just isnt that common here. I have been through a few WDs in my time though, some small benzo WDs from diazepam and temazepam (very small though, mainly just anxiety and insomnia) a big zopiclone WD (all of the above plus shaking and muscle spasms) and a pregabalin WD (not by choice, had my script robbed). To be honest the zopiclone and pregab WD were equally as bad as each other, though id taken the zopis for years longer.
I didnt mean to come across as confrontational or sarcastic in any way, its always worrying when someone CAPITAL LETTERS your name.lmao I could tell its a subject close to home for you from the tone of your post and i completely agree that the OP would be better to be in their own home rather then at thier cousins.

 

[tre6chambers]

first off BUNGE i just capitalized your name so you could see i was responding to you. i didnt take anything u said confrentational you actually seem like a down to earth person! sorry if i made you think that! Also i have heard that diazepam is the more prescribed drug in the UK? i could be wrong..but alprazolam is a fast mover in the US i got addicted to it at 17 and i am now 26 and i got addicted by accident i didnt know what i was messing with at the time..same with opiates..and zopiclone is lunesta here in the states used for sleeping as like ambien and such. personally ive never had a sleeping pill addiction and im curious to what the w/ds were im sure close enough to benzos but not as bad.

 

[drscience]

Benzo withdrawal, and the seizures that can come with it, can cause harm and possibly be fatal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal_syndrome

Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome—often abbreviated to benzo withdrawal—is the cluster of symptoms that emerge when a person who has taken benzodiazepines has developed a physical dependence and undergoes dosage reduction or discontinuation. It is characterized by often severe sleep disturbance, irritability, increased tension and anxiety, panic attacks, hand tremor, sweating, difficulty in concentration, confusion and cognitive difficulty, memory problems, dry retching and nausea, weight loss, palpitations, headache, muscular pain and stiffness, a host of perceptual changes, hallucinations, seizures, psychosis,[1] and suicide[2] (see "Signs and Symptoms" section below for full list). Further, these symptoms are notable for the manner in which they wax and wane and vary in severity from day to day or week by week instead of steadily decreasing in a straightforward linear manner.

 

[tre6chambers]

yes "drscience" im well aware lol ive been through every part of benzo withdrwal you just stated if you read a few posts up youll see.. very well put with the last sentence though..that was the point i was trying to get across.

 

['medicine cabinet']

Yea no surprise xanax is the number one rx in the states. They have it in the uk but pretty sure the nhs doesnt provide it and only a dr can give it to you and most wont. Good luck op, ive been there, both opiates and alp. Ive managed to ween myself from 6mg a day to .5mg a day. Mainly because i needed extra cash this month and sold a load of bars. Im thinking ill just do the same when i get my refill bc i want off these things for good.

 

[bunge]

Thats exactly how it is over here in the UK, you can get a xanax 'script but not on the NHS. You have to pay privately and its very expensive.
I dont know the severity of benzo WD could change so dramaticly over weeks so thanks for the info on that.
@tre6chambers my personal experience of zopiclone is that WD is extremely similar but with a little less risk of seizure and more soul crushing insomnia.
It seems to be very short (2-3 weeks) but very intense.

 

[Halif]

Holy fuck, dude!

Why did you try to go cold turkey after 2 and a half years on two of the most addictive substances on the planet?!

I see that you wound up in the hospital, but was that as a result of trying to quit cold turkey? Or were you forced to go CT once you were in there? I just can't understand why you aren't being given anything to taper with...

I've cold turkeyed off both of those same things, but it was after a much shorter duration of use and it sure as hell wasn't by choice. I can't imagine the sheer hell you must have experienced and still are experiencing.

Good luck. I pray for you.

 

[CrackedOut]

Thank you everybody for the help but I finally relapsed and ended up taking 2mg of Xanax today. I'm finally a little drowsy and I thought I should tell my whole story before I finally sleep. I developed a "addiction" to drugs at 16 to Piperazine, PCP, and Ecstasy for 2 years. The amount I took daily I can't remember but I was young and popping pills left and right. At 18 I developed a coke habit for another 2 years and did not attend college for 1 year. I worked my ass off for a year to fuel my coke addiction. This i remember clearly. I took my first .5g of coke and I ditched all my previous drugs as I fell in love with it. It increased to 1g daily after going a week and after a year I was taking 2-7g(sorry its so broad...it would depend on how much money I was able to make) of coke daily just to get through my work day. I was a waiter at a busy restaurant so I would just go to the kitchen near the Latino Group(sorry didn't want to offend anybody by saying Mexican) would be doing the dishes and I would be doing line after line. I went to school. There I was introduced to oxy/roxy. At 21 I had developed a bad habit of the roxys and I withdrew from school and attended a community college so I could work to pay for more drugs. I ended up switching to heroin after I found it much cheaper. Then at 22 here I am relapsing on Xanax again. So for those of you that are curious as to how I got the Xanax today...(I DO NOT recommend you try this at every place u visit). I had no contacts here for apparent reasons. I would be looking out the window from the apartment everyday because I had nothing else to do and I was running on several days of no sleep. I noticed it was a very ghetto area with mostly african american and latinos. I noticed after 3 days that the same 2 people would stand the whole day from 3p.m. to 1-4a.m. at the park benches. I could tell right away why they would handshake so many people everyday just chilling in the same spot. I finally found enough quarters and dimes in this place to go to them. I asked them for Xanax. They looked at me funny but I think they could tell I had a problem with the coins loool. They told me to wait and ho behold the from the apartment across the street where I was staying a person comes out and walks over to us. I pay them for only 1 but they gave me 2mg. I dont think they wanted the dimes lol... Anyways I will probably update this thread one last time when I am back home. Sorry if everythings seems jumbled and mixed. I popped the 2mg right away with just my saliva. I will probably end up taking xanax when I get back home. So please if you have a Benzo problem DO NOT GET CAUGHT BY YOUR PARENTS AND DO NOT QUIT COLD TURKEY. Me trying to quit cold turkey finally got me caught by my parents(hospitalization, blood tests, and me confessing). Also having my Xanax dealer text me everyday did not help at all... This long post might seem jumbled and mixed up but I was going through wd and popped 2mg after 2 1/2 weeks of being clean from benzos so sorry if this seems confusing. I'm going to have my 1,000th cigarette and try to sleep in a bit. Also Thank you all for trying to help. I know my parents were only worried and I don't blame them for me relapsing.

 

[itsALLfake]

I quit Subutex(>4years+>8mg..extremely wide ranging..sometimes 32+mg) and Xanax(>2years+4-10mg's) cold turkey. It wasn't as horrible of an experience as I thought it would be. Although, I would not advise someone to go through with this. I have certain goals I intend to acquire, that won't allow junkies to obtain. I'm in my 7th month now, and I think this period is harder than the beginning of it. I'm not in withdrawal, but not being able to numb out with the bullshit of life is the hardest thing for me. I could either grow the fuck up, or I can go and try to kill myself chasing something that will never be the same again.

If you have a problem with staying clean, your mom knows about your troubles. Tell her if you need her help with a new phone number, and give her your old one. Not everyone has to make such radical changes to change in life, but it sounds like you may.. It doesn't really even sound like you want to get clean though. Getting clean is something you need to decide for yourself, and you have to stick with it. You'll start feeling better, but you're also going to feel the negative bs you managed to filter out with drugs. Granted with drug use, the negatives far out weigh the negatives of being clean.

 

[RodRamsey]

Hey everybody, thanks for all the info and inspiration. I have a question about klonopin daily dosage. Do you think 7mg would be considered a big problem in a 24 hour period. Part of the problem is I had to add an extra dose due to insomnia issues related to suboxone withdrawl. I was on subs 3 years as chronic pain patient then recently tapered off. Not feeling terrible but no sleep and the dose of klon that used to put me out now does nothing. Obviously the sub/klon mixture had major effect on helping me sleep. Without the sub in my equation finding my klon dosage rising to dangerous levels. Mostly because I feel like taking 17mg and the 7mg I taking doing nothing. Used to take 2mg klon with 2mg sub, thats it. My brain chemicals must be on overload right now. Thanks for any advice or at least letting me work this out a bit.

 

[F1n1shed]

I take Klonopin every day (.25mg) to keep withdrawals away. And it works to keep withdrawal away, if you are taking 7 mg and not feeling it you are fucked. Sorry to be blunt but that is the truth, 7mg is a very large dose. Time for you to taper down slowly

 

[RodRamsey]

Ya that exactly what I was thinking and give it too me blunt as possible lol. I from brooklyn have big blunthead. I have these teva 2mg klons that never really did much for me. I remember taking. .5mg xans and falling right to sleep. Used to sleep soo good,I really trying to get back to that deep natural sleep. Right now my brain chemicals are going crazy so sleep out of the question. Listen to this one from last night, 8mg klon plus 3 benydryl plus a lunesta. Slept for 2-3 hours maybe. Wake up feeling like I 85 years old lol. To be honest the fact that these klons arent working might make tapering easier. If I going to not sleep and feel horrible anyway why even take them. I going to start tapering but my benzo tolerance way too high. Feel like I climbing this mountain that never going to end. Thanks for the advice, will def chill on the klons and even try skip a dose. These wds cant last forever, cant wait to sleep.