Being a Narc.

A

anonymousBLer

Greenlighter
Joined
Apr 30, 2007
Messages
14
Hello everyone. I have a question for anyone that has been through the process of being a narc, or anytone that knows anything about it. i contacted my attourney today, and he said that I should not get involved with narcing someone out to save myself. he reccomended against it because he said narcotics agents are snakes and in the end won't really help you, or protect you from the person you're narcing on. i'm not worried about the person knowing i'm narcing. i am planning a long move to a location this person wouldnt know about. the person i am narcing on has had this coming to them for a very long time. i know how shameful and terrible it is and looked upon in the drug community. im sure you all are thinking "JEEZ DOOD I WOULDNT NARC EVEN IF IM LOOKING AT 3784372 years IM SO HARDCORE" but when it actually happens to you, its different. i am just wondering if anyone here has anything positive or negative to say about getting a deal from a narcotics agent. the detective on my case told me i'd be getting a call from a narcotics officer about a possible deal. i know someone high up enough to make it worth their while, and i want to get off. any info?
 
i wouldn't do it.. the government likes to play lil games and fuck people over to get what they want..

what country are you in?
 
This is entirely up to you...
However...

DO NOT MAKE ANY DEALS WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER THERE TO WITNESS IT.

DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING OR HINT AT THE INFORMATION THAT MAY MAKE YOUR INFORMATION WORTHLESS.

Guard that information with your life if you do intend to use it.



Now...
As for what should you do...

Technically, the drug laws are unconstitutional.
The language describing the "Drug War" brings a different set of laws into place.
The most interesting one of these is that in war, one is capable of Treason.

In this particular instance, the ENEMY of the PEOPLE is the DEA/Arresting authority.
They are acting outside the constitution and are AT WAR with the general population.

If you aide them, you are committing treason.


I'll be the first to admit that I've lost my mind, but the reasoning behind that argument is sound.
I've posted a few threads about how the drug laws are not constitutional.
There is no question the drug laws are not in the best interest of the general public.

Do you really want to contribute to this evil ring of terrorists that are constantly attacking US citizens on US soil?
Do you think that turning in this person will stop the flow of drugs?
What do you want to accomplish by turning them in?


As for it being different when you are actually looking at charges...
It is and it isn't.

Like I said, I'll be the first to admit I've lost my mind...
But contributing aide to a terrorist state that has taken the place of the legal government?
Committing treason and turning my back on my countrymen?
It's not going to happen.

Again, I'm currious what you're being charged with... quantity wise.

You said in the other thread it was a possession charge.

You shouldn't NEED to narc out anyone to get a good deal...
Ask your attorney about a pre-trial diversion. (I'm loving the idea of those even though my conspiracy charges will most likely prevent me from getting one...)
Send me a PM with details if you don't want to post them here...

I've been studying the federal drug laws for the last 2 months now...
I'm getting a pretty good grasp on them.
Or at least a pretty good grasp on the ones relating to MDMA, but everything converts to pot anyway... so it can't be that hard to figure out.

I won't tell you to Narc...
I won't tell you not to....
However, if your attorney is advising you not to, I wouldn't.

Again, if it's merely a possession charge, your narcing deal wouldn't be worth it at all.
The personal risk, shame, and knowing you caused someone else's life to end for contributing to the demands of society...

In my mind, that alone makes it not worth it.
The treason thing is extra seasoning my stomach can't handle...
 
Swerz said:
i wouldn't do it.. the government likes to play lil games and fuck people over to get what they want..
Click to expand...

That's what lawyers are for - to make sure that doesn't happen.

To the OP -- you really, really need to talk about your lawyer with this. And neither your lawyer, nor we, can really decide the moral end of it for you. Your lawyer can tell you what kind of deal you can get, but nobody can tell you if it's right or wrong. That's something you have to decide for yourself.

And I'll admonish future posters not to go off as well. The OP is right -- you can't know if you're not in that person's shoes. Some people have families (children) to think about, for example.

This isn't the place for moral trips. Practical and/or constructive advice only, please.
 
MahanAtma said:
That's what lawyers are for - to make sure that doesn't happen.

To the OP -- you really, really need to talk about your lawyer with this. And neither your lawyer, nor we, can really decide the moral end of it for you. Your lawyer can tell you what kind of deal you can get, but nobody can tell you if it's right or wrong. That's something you have to decide for yourself.

And I'll admonish future posters not to go off as well. The OP is right -- you can't know if you're not in that person's shoes. Some people have families (children) to think about, for example.

This isn't the place for moral trips. Practical and/or constructive advice only, please.
Click to expand...


Was that directed at me? ;)

[edit - no moral judgments on narcing, please -bq]
I've definitely stepped off the deep end the last couple weeks...

Parts of the post I don't think shoulda been modded out (if you weren't typing that before my post came in...)

DO NOT SIGN/SAY ANYTHING without your lawyer there...

If the prosecutor calls with a deal, asks you for the information, DO NOT GIVE IT TO THEM UNTIL YOU ARE IN THEIR PRESENCE WITH YOUR LAWYER.

Once they have the information, it's useless to you.
If you haven't signed something, or your lawyer assured you the deal is fair, you will most likely be screwed out of any kind of deal for your information.


I'll say again that it depends on the charges...
And what you're facing.

If it's a simple possession charge, it's probably not worth the personal risk you'll acquire for a few months off.
If your charges are more serious, you'll have to do some deeper thought before you make up your mind.

[edit]

You're going to have to weigh the personal risk against the sentence reduction.

Talk to your lawyer.
As long as they're recommending you don't take the deal, DON'T TAKE IT.

If they decide it's a good deal, you'll have to make the choice.

That neutral enough MahanAtma? :p
;)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This is a decision only you and you can make. You have already talked to your lawyer, which told you not to, and you are still considering it. Let me say that the vast majority of the drug community looks upon narcing as going against part of the 10 commandments. HOWEVER, the threat of long prison sentences brings even the most thuggish of the gangsters to their knees. LE knows this, which is why they use that tactic. It is very effective for them. Most people will sing like a canary when facing a decade or more of a prison sentence, survival instincts kick in and it is very easy for people to forget any kind of moral compass when it comes to the drug trade. Only the dedicated few will keep their mouths shut, or people that know their family is in danger if they do. Hell, even people in the mafia have narced on people, knowing the repurcussions of what they did.

All in all, NO ONE can answer this question for you. It is all about waht you can live with, and as far as how LE will uphold their end of the bargain, roll the dice my friend, unless you have something in writing from the DA, you are taking your chances.
 
Sure they may reduce your sentence but just remember you might be put in prison right along side of the person you Narced on...... That could be a very dangerous situation AND BELIEVE ME IT HAS HAPPENED TO PEOPLE... Law Enforcement doesnt give a shit about protecting you and once you've out lived your usefullness they will disgard you like a piece of trash:|
 
1

You know the saying,sniches get stiches
If you can't do the time
Don't do the crime.

Sounds to me like you got busted,and your going to snitch[thats the correct term]
I got busted years ago with 17 oz of cocaine.I was facing 25-life if I went to trial,they said if I sniched,set my guy up,I would do only 1-3 yrs in prison,well I turned it down,I didn't go to trial,but after a while,I got a plea bargin,I got
12-25 yrs.I did 13yrs.Have you took into consideration that if you snitch,how its going to affect your love ones? Your girlfriend\wife your mother\father\sister\brother. And also what the future will hold? I mean say you snitch,a few years down the line,you get busted for whatever,end up doing a short bid,your name is going to be out there for life,I've seen first hand what they do to snitches,its not pretty.Now don't take this the wrong way,I'm not threatening you by any means! Just want you to realize the percussions before you do. After you do snitch,the cops can care less about you.So,I was in your shoes,done my time,learned my lesson.A lot of people get into the drug game,but believe me,its no game.The people I dealt with were very shady!And very patient people,they would of committed the rest of there life getting me,what ever it took.I have a lot of respect in my hood for not snitching,but I lost 13 yrs of my life,I always say I was dead for 13 yrs.
I wish you luck dude,be careful,and think things through.All I'm saying dude is be careful,and I guess if I was real young when it happened to be,maybe I would of did different.I hope what ever you decide to do,when its all said and done,get out of that life style,and don't look back!
 
bigdaddy123 said:
You know the saying,sniches get stiches
If you can't do the time
Don't do the crime.

Sounds to me like you got busted,and your going to snitch[thats the correct term]
I got busted years ago with 17 oz of cocaine.I was facing 25-life if I went to trial,they said if I sniched,set my guy up,I would do only 1-3 yrs in prison,well I turned it down,I didn't go to trial,but after a while,I got a plea bargin,I got
12-25 yrs.I did 13yrs.Have you took into consideration that if you snitch,how its going to affect your love ones? Your girlfriend\wife your mother\father\sister\brother. And also what the future will hold? I mean say you snitch,a few years down the line,you get busted for whatever,end up doing a short bid,your name is going to be out there for life,I've seen first hand what they do to snitches,its not pretty.Now don't take this the wrong way,I'm not threatening you by any means! Just want you to realize the percussions before you do. After you do snitch,the cops can care less about you.So,I was in your shoes,done my time,learned my lesson.A lot of people get into the drug game,but believe me,its no game.The people I dealt with were very shady!And very patient people,they would of committed the rest of there life getting me,what ever it took.I have a lot of respect in my hood for not snitching,but I lost 13 yrs of my life,I always say I was dead for 13 yrs.
I wish you luck dude,be careful,and think things through.All I'm saying dude is be careful,and I guess if I was real young when it happened to be,maybe I would of did different.I hope what ever you decide to do,when its all said and done,get out of that life style,and don't look back!
Click to expand...



So you plea was about 1/2 your sentence?

I'm looking at 6 1/2-9.
Any idea where that'll put me?
General guess?

I'm thinking realistically 3 1/2 - 5 with a few possible remaining downward departures...
The 6 1/2-9 just isn't gonna hold...
 
delta_9 said:
If you do decide to narc, get whatever "deal" your supposedly getting in writing, that's a must. Have your lawyer look it over as well.
Click to expand...


Exactly.
And don't give away ANYTHING or your bargaining power is reduced.
 
Wow, what a topic. When I was arrested in 2001 I was faced with the same dilema. They were threatening to make in a federal case with minimum mandatories etc. For me, I knew they wouldn't offer me much even if I did cooperate, and in my case, any information I gave would have been useless anyways.

Having said this, the Federal prison system is FULL of people snitching. ESPECIALLY from your major players. They will have there soldiers make a cross country run, and then give the feds the make and model of the car...result...downward departure of up to 50% of their sentence.

As for the morality of it. I would have gladly given up some punks that had no business being around the scence and who really deserved to be locked up just because the were mean jerks. But I didn't because that was how I got screwed and couldn't do it to someone else, and in the end I found out that because I had molly, and the guidlines had not yet been revised the weight was low and I would have only been looking at 1-2 years Federal and would not have met the madatory minumum requirements, but the drug task force realized that and kept it state and I got 8 years, 7 of it on probation.

The moral of the story is despite what you see snitching is the norm and it sucks. That's how I got busted. Guy got busted with 10 pills, and I ALLEGEDLY sold him 74 grams of Molly. He got off completely, no record, I got screwed.

If I sound like I'm dancing around my position its b/c I just wanted to give you some facts w/o my too much bias.
 
here's a story about narcing. me and my ex got popped for selling x and k in 2003. the task force came with warrants one night and arrested us both. i had a clean record until this point. my ex, she had 2 previous drug charges in another state. she worked with the police and only got two extra years of paper. me, i took a plea bargain and went to jail. on top of that i got 8 years paper, 6500 in fines, 2 years of 6 pm curfew and felonies on my record that won't be expunged. but at least i don't have to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life, right? in my opinion, i'd do jail again before i rat on someone. when you rat on someone you're messing with their life. what would you do if someone tried to end your life? just think about it.
 
this is not a moral admonishment, it is a realistic look at your situation.

If you rat on a dangerous person, expect severe repercussions....if not to you, then to your family and loved ones.

is it worth it?
 
^ ^^ This is a fine line here regarding not passing judgment, K-E-t and Mehm, but I'm trusting that both of you are motivated by your consideration of the possible repercussions for the OP and not by your own feelings about cooperating with the police in return for a reduced sentence.
 
[edit - you've already covered this point. -bq]
 
Last edited by a moderator:
also- what kind of deals do the narcotics officers give you? are they really good deals, like taking away the charge you are faced all together?.. say i was charged with a felony possession of controlled substance and delivery of controlled substance. if I busted my guy, would they drop all charges, or just reduce sentance. I dont really know how this will work, because in my county they also have drug court, which works to keep felony drug convicts out of jail as long as they do drug treatment, which is a sweet deal. what happened to me was fucked up anways.. i was saving someone from dying in an overdose called 911 immediately. after they brought her out the cops said they found a syringe in my bathroom, and if i didnt sign a search warrant they would take me to jail that night. i wanted to go see my friend and make sure she was ok so i consented to the search and they found 5 bags of heroin.. which were all for my use but i dont really see how i can convice a judge that. i mean it was all less than 3 grams or so. just in half gram and gram bags becuse thats how you get it off the street. anyways.. can anyone give me some idea of what the narcotics officer will deal with me, and if i will get sympathy from the judge since i was saving someone from an OD?
 
Passing judgment is not allowed in this forum. Please see the sticky post at the top containing the forum guidelines. Thanks, Johnny1.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top