Opioids Barshasha paste- anyone know anything about this?

[nick222]

I bought this Indian ayurvedic product Barshasha

The ingredients list opium as 26.45mg/gram. Container is 60 grams

I am wondering if anyone has any experience with this- dosing etc.

Considering it also contains contains some other herbals like hyoscyamus niger (nightshade) which I would prefer to avoid, is there any way to isolate the opium content?

Thanks,

 

[choralhydro]

I just ordered a jar of this too. Did you ever consume it or find a way to extract the opium?

Thanks

 

[G_Chem]

~25mg per gram is not a lot of opium.. That is means there?s roughly 1.5g opium total in that 60g container. The fact it also contains other psychoactive substances means extraction would be tricky. Even then you?d be looking at such a small yield of poppy alkaloids that you would likely lose a decent amount to the process.

Use the paste as directed and look elsewhere for opium.

-GC

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Honestly it really doesn't seem worth the trouble for the total opium present. On top of that, the anticholinergic effect (nightshade) of consuming too much would be punishing if not dangerous. Even if you could find a solid method of extracting the opium, it would be highly unlikely that the final product wouldn't be contaminated to some degree. Sorry Nick, but Welcome to BL none the less

 

[Jam.]

This is the deal on that I get 32mg per 60g equaling 1.920mg of 20% morphine alkaloid content per gram opium. So at the least you get 400mg roughly morphine per jar. For ten bucks a jar that's a steal. I figured a way to isolate the morpine out using calcium hydroxide and ammonia chloride with a magnetic stirrer it's amazing to see sometimes just hoe poor quality control is. I always end up with between 800mg to 2g of morphine.

I purchased some acetic anhydride and I'm making at least an eight ball of pure heroin at a go. For all tolled about forty to fifty bucks. I'm not giving up who I use for my brand. But it is easy.

 

[endlessnameless]

This is the deal on that I get 32mg per 60g equaling 1.920mg of 20% morphine alkaloid content per gram opium. So at the least you get 400mg roughly morphine per jar. For ten bucks a jar that's a steal. I figured a way to isolate the morpine out using calcium hydroxide and ammonia chloride with a magnetic stirrer it's amazing to see sometimes just hoe poor quality control is. I always end up with between 800mg to 2g of morphine.

I purchased some acetic anhydride and I'm making at least an eight ball of pure heroin at a go. For all tolled about forty to fifty bucks. I'm not giving up who I use for my brand. But it is easy.

Well, have fun then so.

 

[Dead Machination]

I had never heard of that stuff before I saw this thread. I just looked it up online, and it doesn't say anything about morphine or opium. Does anybody have a fact sheet type of thing that shows what's in it, or how it's made? All of the websites I found were pretty vague.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I had never heard of that stuff before I saw this thread. I just looked it up online, and it doesn't say anything about morphine or opium. Does anybody have a fact sheet type of thing that shows what's in it, or how it's made? All of the websites I found were pretty vague.

Walmart sells this shit, but no opium. I assume they change the formula in countries where opium is illegal, even in small amounts.

 

[Señor Moreno]

I can't see the pics you linked so I I don't know what you have, but there is indeed a thing called Harshasha, I have done/seen it made in Morroco many times and nobody told me a word about it being ayurvedic medicine, ever It's a decoction from poppy pods to a sticky paste, no opium involved at any step. Also, no serious product would meassure its potency in "opium mg/gram", as opium itself varies widly in potency and has to be meausured in morphine content.
I would be very skeptical about what you have, but for sure that's not opium nor proper harshasha if they sell it at a store

 

[Psilanaut]

Walmart sells this shit, but no opium. I assume they change the formula in countries where opium is illegal, even in small amounts.

It really depends on the brand. Here in India, the names Barshasha and Kamini Vidrawan Ras are "recipes" or formulas rather than brand names. Due to a lot of bad press and restrictions especially in the Southern States, some manufacturers (eg. Lama) choose to remove the opium content from the formula.

Barshasha is approx 698mg / 25grams of opium whereas Kamini Vidrawan Ras contains approx 32mg of Opium in 100mg. Some of the pellets are 100mg and some are 500mg. It's a fair bit of opium but again, it also depends on the brand. Multani is a company that exports their tablets to Western countries and the content of opium is 30mg/100mg. Baidyanath sells the same thing but their domestic brand has 80mg/100mg. The same product that they export to the west, contains no opium.

Generally people who use opium recreationally, start with Barshasha before progressing to Kamini.

One other significant thing to note, and this applies to any Ayurvedic or other herbal product from India is that if you notice specific words in the name/formula like Ras or Bhasm(a), you should be aware of what it means:

Ras - Refers to Rasa Shastra or the practice of adding heavy metals to the medicine. It undergoes a lengthy purification process (Shodhana) and proponents claim that this makes it safe. I reserve my opinion on that. The heavy metal used in Kamini Vidrawan Ras is Cinnabar or Red Sulphide of Mercury. It would be listed in the ingredients as Sudh Hingul (purified/refined Mercury) and Gandhak (Sulphur)

Bhasma - Same as above but refers to metals like Gold, Silver etc.

 

[Eligoscreps]

Recently ordered 3 60g boxes for around 35 euro. Got it mostly cause of the novelty, obscurity, for colds, coughs and malaise. And of course as cheap opium, since even the dnms wont match it, 2.645% 1.587g/bottle, can’t name exact prices but dnm opium would be 30 for 0.5g decently cooked stuff.

I managed to try it, but before i was able to grab some again, my housemates had found then intercepted it, read papaver somniferum latex on the ingredient list, worried, and so, a mini intervention ensued..

Tried 5g (2.645% opium, around 133mg) with little effect, but qc is likely near to none existent im also on 8mg subs, so makes sense, but i did skip my dose today and had 4 yesterday. Put aside 18g for one more attempt and threw it out as to not worry housemates.

As for other plants in there, most are alright, but especially hyoscyamus is questionable indeed, the tropane alkaloids sketch me out. The pepper, piper longum is rather spicy, and idk but combined with the bitterness, it tastes like shit. Hope to one day be able to get my hands on it and extract>purify and synth some obscure opiates.

 

[Psilanaut]

Recently ordered 3 60g boxes for around 35 euro. Got it mostly cause of the novelty, obscurity, for colds, coughs and malaise. And of course as cheap opium, since even the dnms wont match it, 2.645% 1.587g/bottle, can’t name exact prices but dnm opium would be 30 for 0.5g decently cooked stuff.

I managed to try it, but before i was able to grab some again, my housemates had found then intercepted it, read papaver somniferum latex on the ingredient list, worried, and so, a mini intervention ensued..

Tried 5g (2.645% opium, around 133mg) with little effect, but qc is likely near to none existent im also on 8mg subs, so makes sense, but i did skip my dose today and had 4 yesterday. Put aside 18g for one more attempt and threw it out as to not worry housemates.

As for other plants in there, most are alright, but especially hyoscyamus is questionable indeed, the tropane alkaloids sketch me out. The pepper, piper longum is rather spicy, and idk but combined with the bitterness, it tastes like shit. Hope to one day be able to get my hands on it and extract>purify and synth some obscure opiates.

Trying it on Subs would be pointless as you mentioned.

The opium content is also difficult to estimate. On what I suspect was a higher concentration of morphine, about 7 grams of it had me nodding for an hour. The henbane (Hyoscyamus Niger) isn't that much of a problem but it does cause cottonmouth for a bit. Still, it's something you build a quick tolerance to. As a side-note, many people who go to de-addiction centers for getting addicted to Lomotil, consume close to 100-120 tablets per day without signs of atropinism. Each tablet contains 2.5mg diphenoxylate and 0.025mg of atropine. 100 tablets would be 2.5mg of atropine.

Anyway, I can guess which of the 4 brands you bought from the way you described the opium content (2.645% of "Afyun"). Only one brand lists it in mg (32mg / 1g of paste).

If you do decide to try it again, mix it in a glass of warm or lukewarm tea or water. Try not to consume the paste directly since it can give you bad stomach cramps. It will also make you sweat a bit from the pepper content, which is listed as "Filfil Siyah" and "Filfil Safaid" (5.291% of black pepper and 5.291% of white pepper respectively).

Also, the usual warning apply with opium. wrt tolerance and withdrawals. The tolerance builds quite fast. But also keep in mind that barshasha contains a LOT of sugar (listed as "Qand Safaid").

Barshasha is not an Ayurvedic preparation. It falls under the category of Unani medicines. Similar to Ayurveda but its roots are in Greco-Persian and Islamic traditions. Unani meds do also contain heavy metals and some contain cannabis leaves (listed as "Bhang" or "Bhanga") as well as opium. But in general, heavy metals are a much bigger concern with the Ayurvedic preparations. As for the Ayurvedic opium preparations, be careful of those. The one brand that gets exported to other countries from India, is called Kamini Vidrawan Ras. I mentioned that in my previous message in this thread. Apart from containing Cinnabar (Mercury Sulphide which is usually listed as Sudh Hingul and Sudh Gandhak), there were at least 10 cases in either Australia or NZ where patients reported with signs of lead poisoning. The tablets were analyzed and the lead content was several hundred or thousand times higher than any permissible level.