Ayahuasca tea, newbee

[michael123.]

Hi, I know there are alot threads out there about Ayahuasca tea, but please bare with me. I just bought 200 grams of Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga) and 200 grams of Banisteriopsis caapi. All I am wondering is if that would be enought for two people, I have done my research about Ayahuasca tea, I know that it is a very powerfull mix of herbs not to be messed around with. I guess all I am asking is if that would be enought for two first timers to make a good dose with out going over the edge. Thank you.

 

[Rorthron]

Hi, I know there are alot threads out there about Ayahuasca tea, but please bare with me. I just bought 200 grams of Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga) and 200 grams of Banisteriopsis caapi. All I am wondering is if that would be enought for two people, I have done my research about Ayahuasca tea, I know that it is a very powerfull mix of herbs not to be messed around with. I guess all I am asking is if that would be enought for two first timers to make a good dose with out going over the edge. Thank you.

200 grams of Chali for 2 people is much more than enough. it depends on quality, of course, but with 50 g of good caapi + 10 g of chaliponga should be a really good experience for one person. YMMV, naturally.

FYI chaliponga has approximately the same potency of Mimosa rootbark, although a different alkaloid composition (e.g. more 5-MeO -DMT) which provides a different experience

 

[michael123.]

Thanks, I am also wondering about the Banisteriopsis caapi. I have heared alot of people not having a strong experience because they didnt get enough of the MAOI out of the Banisteriopsis caapi. Is it bad to take some Syrian Rue capsules? I am not sure on the Chemistry of the Syrian Rue, and am not to sure if they would react with each other?

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

That is plenty...

Recipe- Per Person

30-50g of Banisteriopsis caapi ("Cielo/White/Yellow" strain) thick stems
10-30g Psychotria viridis leaf
7-13g of Diplopterys cabrerana leaf
5-10g of Banisteriopsis caapi leaf



Don't take Syrian Rue.

It sucks.

 

[Feste]

I like syrian rue. It's a lot easier to just eat 2g of seeds than boiling a bunch of caapi.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

And that is why plant drugs aren't for lazy people.

It takes effort to work with plants the right way.

 

[michael123.]

I would much rather put the effort and try to get it right. thanks so much everyone!

 

[Feste]

And that is why plant drugs aren't for lazy people.

It takes effort to work with plants the right way.

Works perfectly for me, thank you. 8)

Actually all my best trips with plants have been with 'lazy' methods; syrian rue, alcohol extractions, etc.

 

[any major dude]

That is plenty...

Recipe- Per Person

30-50g of Banisteriopsis caapi ("Cielo/White/Yellow" strain) thick stems
10-30g Psychotria viridis leaf
7-13g of Diplopterys cabrerana leaf
5-10g of Banisteriopsis caapi leaf



Don't take Syrian Rue.

It sucks.

Many people use Syrian Rue to good effect, and it has a long history of entheogenic use in the mediterranean. Though ultimately I'm sure this is a personal preference thing

 

[Rorthron]

Thanks, I am also wondering about the Banisteriopsis caapi. I have heared alot of people not having a strong experience because they didnt get enough of the MAOI out of the Banisteriopsis caapi. Is it bad to take some Syrian Rue capsules? I am not sure on the Chemistry of the Syrian Rue, and am not to sure if they would react with each other?

Again it depends on the quality of the caapi and how you brew it. If it's shredded it is easier to extract all the alkaloids with less boiling. It it's the vine, even if it's sliced, it will take a number of hours to get it all, and you may need more vine. 50 grams shredded is generally enough for most people.

Usually people use the caapi alone, and rue as an alternative, It is generally agreed that the vine produces a gentler and more visionary experience, but again, this is not consensual by any means. Rue, on the other hand is a "rougher" and perhaps stronger experience but harder on the body - nausea is more prone to happen, for instance.

I do not see as a problem (except for increased probability of nausea) using 2-3 g of crushed rue seeds 30 minutes before having the tea. It will definitely make the experience stronger

 

[Eldaren]

And that is why plant drugs aren't for lazy people.

It takes effort to work with plants the right way.

Out of curiosity, do you actually realize that other people are other people, and not you? Just seems to me that you think your opinion is always a be all and end all. Just wondering if that's the case.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

Out of curiosity, do you actually realize that other people are other people, and not you?

We are all Teotzlcoatls in one form or another, are we not?

Go to the Nexus and ask about Syrian Rue vs. Caapi.

They know what they are talking about.

 

[daysonatrain]

blah, teo, more posts about your superior 8) plant knowledge than others.

anyway, from my experience 3-5 grams of syrian rue and 18 grams of mimosa hostilis nearly always provides a mind blowing trip. 18 might be a bit much for a first timer, its hard to say really, since with every plant etheogen the amount of alkaloids varies. not to mention, having a decent psychedelic backround would help. dmt is something completely other than most psychs and nothing can really prepare you for it. so depending on your experience i might recommend 13-18 grams of mimosa.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

I'm not the only one that will tell you caapi is better than syrian rue

why do you think people order pure THH and such?

 

[any major dude]

I'm not the only one that will tell you caapi is better than syrian rue

why do you think people order pure THH and such?

again, this is your preference. "Better" is a subjective measure. Obviously the two will offer somewhat different experiences. Even two different samples of caapi will provide different experiences as alkaloidal composition varies between even plants of the same species. I have several friends that will attest to P. harmala being active on its own, though not terribly so. If someone wanted to take a gram or three of rue seeds before ingesting caapi/mimosa tea, I'm sure it would be a different experience than if they didn't, but as for whether or not its "better" is a matter to be decided by the one having the experience. Furthermore, one couple probably use the same extraction technique one does for caapi with ground rue to alleviate some of the nausea.

 

[daysonatrain]

I'm not the only one that will tell you caapi is better than syrian rue

why do you think people order pure THH and such?

phew, thanks for that 8) im so glad you and random other people ive never heard of or met have told me which is better. you can state you OPINION without being so arrogant.

"We are all Teotzlcoatls in one form or another, are we not?" -teotzlcoatl

some are just more arrogant than other, am i right...

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

ok well THH offers more magical and less nausea... you decide what is "better"

Your right about different caapi strains... Cielo, White or Yellow contains the most THH and is deemed "best" by many in the community

 

[adrian89987]

And moclobemide offers the most magic and least nausea

but we're talking Ayahuasca here so whatever.

 

[Sub_Jester]

OoO first timers, remember a bucket cuz walking is haaaaard and dont fight it, just let go.

 

[any major dude]

ok well THH offers more magical and less nausea... you decide what is "better"

Your right about different caapi strains... Cielo, White or Yellow contains the most THH and is deemed "best" by many in the community

I'm no fan of nausea, but some people, especially those who use aya in a traditional setting consider the nausea and "la purga" to be integral parts of the experience. I tend to disagree and would prefer the preparation you suggest, but there are plenty of people who would consider an ayahuasca experience absent of nausea and emesis to be incomplete... Whatever tickles your pickle