AU: Ecstasy users warned of drug switch

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THOUSANDS of capsules seized at a far north Queensland home this week contain a dangerous stimulant, police say.

A 37-year-old man was charged after officers found thousands of filled and empty capsules, four kilograms of cannabis, one kilogram of speed and almost $26,000 in cash at a Palm Cove home, near Cairns, today.

Far Northern Region Drug Squad detectives today said a laboratory analysis found the presence of ethylcathinone and 4-methylmethcathinone.

Detective Senior Sergeant Mick Dowie said 4-methylmethcathinone was a derivative of cathinone, a dangerous drug listed in Schedule 2 of the Drugs Misuse Act.

The illegal stimulant can cause convulsions, delusions, hallucinations, fever and an irregular heart beat, he said.

"They are not MDMA or ecstasy despite dealers allegedly marketing them as such,'' Snr Sgt Dowie said.

Police are eager to speak to anyone who has been offered, purchased or taken any of the capsules.

Investigations are continuing into the their production and distribution.

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Ecstasy users warned of drug switch
June 20, 2008 05:27pm

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23895043-5005961,00.html
 
So there is an emergency warning because some jackass made a bunch of methcathinone in his freaking kitchen and tried to pass it off as ecstasy?

This just sounds like ridiculous scare tactics. If you use a long chemical name to describe ANYTHING it will sound dangerous.

"Don't go into the pool, it's tainted with dihidroxy monoxide!"

Police are eager to speak to anyone who has been offered, purchased or taken any of the capsules.
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Yeah. I bet they are.
 
How do they know that these capsules were marketed as exctasy? It doesn't mention anyone confirming that people even had a chance to take these, or that anyone has come foward to say they were under the impression they were taking mdma when they took the cat pills. Typical jump the gun approach to law enforcment and the propaganda machine.

It's like sayin "so and so was raided and they found 50000 capsules of mescaline, it's not MDMA despite dealers 'ALLEGEDLY' marketing them as such."

ALLEGEDLY, they say. ALLEGEDLY. Allegedly ALL cops eat doughnuts EVERY day...
 
allegedly is a very powerful word because its not definitive and they can allege anything they dame well want.
i love how at every drug bust, no matter what the bust is for, they always find some cannabis lying around haha.
 
ego_loss said:
So there is an emergency warning because some jackass made a bunch of methcathinone in his freaking kitchen and tried to pass it off as ecstasy?
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Methcathinone is far different from 4-methylmethcathinone. I doubt he was making it in his kitchen, since 4-MMC is also the ingredient of the neodoves and sub cocas. Given the effects, it's quite likely that it was being passed off as ecstacy. Some people have also confirmed buying it as ecstacy in Aus DD.

Very little is known about 4-MMC, and it may be that it is more dangerous/neurotoxic than MDMA is. So yes, I think this is cause for some concern.
 
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is there an automatic way to fill capsules? or is it involve expensive and sophisticated equipment?

I could imagine its a terribly tedious process to do it by hand
 
chugs said:
is there an automatic way to fill capsules? or is it involve expensive and sophisticated equipment?

I could imagine its a terribly tedious process to do it by hand
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If every pill is $5, and it takes a few seconds to just scoop up some powder with a pill, then it couldn't be too bad.
 
Now it could be bullshit, but its stupid to discount it just because the warning was issued by the police. What happens if they are correct? Whats the harm in being extra percuatious?

Around here the police warn when Fent cut dope is going around. Its not like they just make it up because its funny.

Law Enforcement is like any other profession, there are plenty of good cops and plenty of assholes.
 
So there is an emergency warning because some jackass made a bunch of methcathinone in his freaking kitchen and tried to pass it off as ecstasy?

This just sounds like ridiculous scare tactics. If you use a long chemical name to describe ANYTHING it will sound dangerous.
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No it doesn't, it sounds scientific (or geeky if you want to give it some emotional connitation) & in terms of harm reduction I'd rather be told something is methylenedioxymethamphetamine rather than ecstasy.

BTW The fear is of the chemical name, not the drug itself as it wasn't methcathinone, but 4-methylmethcathinone which is a completely different compound altogether (a methyl group in that position can make a world of difference - compare 2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine with 4-methyl-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine. The former isn't anything to write home about as it's effects are basically a modified stimulant; the latter is DOM/STP which is definitely something to write home about).

Law Enforcement is like any other profession, there are plenty of good cops and plenty of assholes.
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Yep and memory is very selective on this issue. You can meet plenty of decent people, but it's always the utter twats that you remember for a long time afterwards
 
This substance is sold per gram, five grams, and ten grams, in Europe, through online vendors mainly. The name used instead of 4-MMC is mephedrone. As pointed out, it was one constituent of Neo-Doves and Sub-Cocas.

The high feels sort of like a short MDMA-high when having a tolerance, one hour (first times one gets up to two hours of this) of a sort of empathogenic high which is euphoric in the way cocaine is more than MDMA is (under the serotonergic effects), and then follows a few hours of central stimulation that is a bit jittery and jonesy for more, that feels a bit like methylfenidate.

In Sweden it is a commercial success, and it seems to be in Denmark as well, mainly among young MDMA-naïve people. To me, this is a sad development, the absence of harsh come-downs makes it very abusable in combination with the almost mania-resembling will to redose when the first part of the high fades away.

I really would like to see some educated speculation about 4-MMC-pharmacology. For example, does it get demethylated in the body? It releases dopamine and serotonin somehow, to me it seems reasonable that it also has neurotoxic potential in the same way as MDMA when used for extended lengths of time, and on swedish drugforums there are quite an amount of reporting of using until no more serotonergic effects are achieved. Is this as risky as one could imagine when thought of with a learned mind?
 
No this is vastly different than methylone (bk-MDMA).

This is yet another reason you should avoid ecstacy altogether, most of it is just random shit thrown in a cap or pill. Even "molly" has become utter garbage in most nations. Street ecstacy has become one of the most risky and potentially harmfull drugs out there. Its a shame because it ruins the medical potention of MDMA through bad publicity.
 
There have been several reports on the net of adverse reactions resulting from combining this compound with alcohol.
 
have been around them a lot in the last few months, never noticed any *scary* effects, some vomiting after two in a night, but id attribute that to overhydration as well.. never seen any effects when mixed with alcohol.. any other actual experiences?
 
These have been going around cairns for over 8 months, i've been eating several per weekend for the past several months, no bad effects here. :}
 
Mephedrone is possibly one of my favourite new drugs.. been doing mdma/pills since 1998 and i much prefer mephedrone. tried bk-mdma/methylone, does bugger all tbh..
 
^ I tried Mephedrone not so long ago, it's defiantly up there.

First time was average(did not consume a good amount), second time however Holy crap!, wasn't expecting the high that I got. Not much of a comedown either.

I can't get it anymore but :(.

I had 4-methylmethcathinone a few times, neo's and sub coca's. Wouldn't want to take them anymore. If someone passed them off to me as ecstasy I'd be mighty pissed off and in a real bad head space.
 
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^ I thought mephedrone was 4-Me-methcathinone... :\

If so, the above is contradictory, or more likely just confused on the nomenclature.
 
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