Astral Projection

[cire113]

I've wondered if anyone here has personal experience with astral projection?


Not if you believe in it or not; but if you have direct experience with it..

Ive been trying it for the last few days and managed to finally do it for a few seconds i left my body and saw my body laying down in my bed;

I freaked out then went back into my body...


It is bizarre to say the least... and 100% real


Thoughts, tips, experiences?


It takes alot of patience; it is very difficult to achieve the state to project; it is a state in between waking and being asleep

 

[Belisarius]

It hasn't happened to me, but it did to a good friend of mine, who told me about it in great detail not long after. He said it scared the hell out of him, and it showed.

 

[rangrz]

Sleep paralysis. yay?...

oh also, arylcyclohexylamines. Like Ketamine, PCP, MXE, etc. Nitrous works too. But the thing that gave me the most "out of body" feelings and trips was isoflurane. It's an inhalation surgical anaesthetic. It's not hard to get, just tell the company you're buying it as non-flammable solvent. It wont fuck you up like huffing paint or anything, it's approved for use in humans. Just inhale a bit and you trip higher dimensional N-spheres. Like 26-spheres and shit. It's awesome.

 

[L2R]

i don't think drugs were once mentioned by the op.

 

[rangrz]

Well, since the actual concept is complete bullshit, I figure I'd mention the easiest way to delude yourself into thinking your flying around the universe outside of your body.

 

[L2R]

mockery doesn't help anything. just stick to what brought you to conclude it is complete bullshit and focus on querying those.

i am skeptical on the basis that i have a very vivid imagination. if i can see it in my mind's eye, it may just as well be concocted from within.

 

[cire113]

Our senses and body are made to only interact with this (3 dimensional) reality;

there are other dimensions of existence outside of the physical body through the astral planes..

It is kind of like lucid dreaming but different; it is a really bizarre OBE feeling;

Yeah im not talking about using drugs to induce this state either...

It is very interesting stuff; I would encourage some of you to check it out and see for yourself;

But it takes ALOT of patience but some find it easier

 

[Foreigner]

It has happened to me several times. Best way to achieve it is via lucid dreaming, because dreaming is one step below the astral plane in terms of the level of consciousness you are dealing with. Another name for the astral plane is the emotional plane. The main reason why most people can't astral project is because they are stuck in the emotionalism of the dream-time: they believe the dream is real, and its emotional themes keep them attached. Once you realize it's a dream, just decide to leave your body and you will. Then suddenly you will be outside of your body but in familiar space (i.e. your bedroom). You can also do a lot of intentional writing before bedtime to trigger it. My advice is to avoid looking at your body because you might become magnetically attracted to going back into it, or the realization could be shocking. Such shocks will cause the experience to end.

For some reason the best time to achieve the astral is around 4am, and you need to have been asleep for most of the night already. But that doesn't mean it can't happen at other times.

For many, the intermediate step between dream time and astral projection is sleep paralysis. Their eyes are closed and their body is sleep-breathing (which they can hear), yet they can see the room they're in. It might even be disorienting because they are able to see the room from multiple angles at once (in the astral you don't have standard vision). Sleep paralysis is basically an OBE but you haven't stepped out of your body yet. If sleep paralysis happens, don't think "I want to get out of my body", just think about where you'd like to go and you'll leave. If you focus too much on the getting out part, you'll just feel a strong magnetism of your body keeping you there.

Pseudoskeptics will keep writing it off but they're not usually people who have ever been invested in trying it for themselves. Mystics, shamans, and many cultures have been talking about travelling out of the body since the dawn of time. It's a metaphysical phenomenon that is hardly new age. The collection of proof on astral travel is quite solid from a metaphysical standpoint. People visit each other all the time on the astral plane and witness events or people which they couldn't have possibly known about. The astral trascends time and space, you can go wherever you want instantaneously.

 

[cire113]

It has happened to me several times. Best way to achieve it is via lucid dreaming, because dreaming is one step below the astral plane in terms of the level of consciousness you are dealing with. Another name for the astral plane is the emotional plane. The main reason why most people can't astral project is because they are stuck in the emotionalism of the dream-time: they believe the dream is real, and its emotional themes keep them attached. Once you realize it's a dream, just decide to leave your body and you will. Then suddenly you will be outside of your body but in familiar space (i.e. your bedroom). You can also do a lot of intentional writing before bedtime to trigger it. My advice is to avoid looking at your body because you might become magnetically attracted to going back into it, or the realization could be shocking. Such shocks will cause the experience to end.

For some reason the best time to achieve the astral is around 4am, and you need to have been asleep for most of the night already. But that doesn't mean it can't happen at other times.

For many, the intermediate step between dream time and astral projection is sleep paralysis. Their eyes are closed and their body is sleep-breathing (which they can hear), yet they can see the room they're in. It might even be disorienting because they are able to see the room from multiple angles at once (in the astral you don't have standard vision). Sleep paralysis is basically an OBE but you haven't stepped out of your body yet. If sleep paralysis happens, don't think "I want to get out of my body", just think about where you'd like to go and you'll leave. If you focus too much on the getting out part, you'll just feel a strong magnetism of your body keeping you there.

Pseudoskeptics will keep writing it off but they're not usually people who have ever been invested in trying it for themselves. Mystics, shamans, and many cultures have been talking about travelling out of the body since the dawn of time. It's a metaphysical phenomenon that is hardly new age. The collection of proof on astral travel is quite solid from a metaphysical standpoint. People visit each other all the time on the astral plane and witness events or people which they couldn't have possibly known about. The astral trascends time and space, you can go wherever you want instantaneously.

Yeah this is what I've been beginning to discover; the Ancients and people thousands of years ago really had things figured out as far as spiritual matters are concerned..

Its funny to think of the world we are living in today versus a thousand years ago....


Just picked up Robert Bruce's astral dynamics book; its like really famous and provides a plethora of knowledge regarding the subject;

It also seems that when i am successful the moment of leaving your body is more a "feeling" type thing; its hard to explain; but basically if you get excited or try to rationalize it the experience ends..

Basically what keeps happening to me is i will exit for a few seconds freak out; I always see myself then go back in;

But ive only been practicing it for a few days; The great thing is i can just practice regular sitting meditation and if you are deep enough you can then astral project;

So another useful benefit of getting into the practice of daily meditation....

It usually takes me 1 hour to consciously go through the whole Astral projection experience; But it takes me forever to consciously relax(lol paradox) my body and keep the mind quite yet aware... with practice many experienced people can do it in about 15 minutes or less

 

[Foreigner]

Yeah this is what I've been beginning to discover; the Ancients and people thousands of years ago really had things figured out as far as spiritual matters are concerned..

Well, with the various underwater evidence being uncovered of very ancient civilizations, it's possible that this is not the only period of human advancement to have ever existed. It's my belief that prior global epochs existed where the focus was on spiritual matters more so than technology, but of course I don't have solid proof of this. I've had to combine information from many different sources over the years in order to arrive at this conclusion.

Its funny to think of the world we are living in today versus a thousand years ago.

According to the Hindu texts we are currently living in the Kaliuga which is the age of the machine, the most degenerate.

Just picked up Robert Bruce's astral dynamics book; its like really famous and provides a plethora of knowledge regarding the subject;

I would be wary of intellectualizing this subject too much. A lot of people who write about the astral have never done it, so a great deal of misinformation about theory and technique get spread around. Also, over-thinking is the fastest way to terminate an astral experience. It's more about convincing your body that it's okay.

It also seems that when i am successful the moment of leaving your body is more a "feeling" type thing; its hard to explain; but basically if you get excited or try to rationalize it the experience ends..

Yes... it's not at all like our normal wakeful consciousness. It's a different state of awareness and being. It's kind of like comparing a psychedelic trip to a sober state. There are different requirements for how you navigate such realities. If you try to navigate the astral using the parameters of wakefulness, you will end the experience... but most people naturally try to do this because it's the most familiar approach.

Basically what keeps happening to me is i will exit for a few seconds freak out; I always see myself then go back in;

That's normal, and I do that too. Try thinking of somewhere else you'd rather be, even if it's just the next room in your home, and you'll get there. Once you're away your body you'll be less likely to fling back in.

But ive only been practicing it for a few days; The great thing is i can just practice regular sitting meditation and if you are deep enough you can then astral project;

That's prety good progress for just a few days.

So another useful benefit of getting into the practice of daily meditation....

Yes. Meditation works with non-mind states, which is what you need to be astral.

It usually takes me 1 hour to consciously go through the whole Astral projection experience; But it takes me forever to consciously relax(lol paradox) my body and keep the mind quite yet aware... with practice many experienced people can do it in about 15 minutes or less

I've never astral projected by lying there and consciously trying. It's always been via the dream state, but I accept that other methods are possible.

There is also bi-location which lets you remotely view other places while you are still conscious. Some people confuse this with astral projection, but the experiences are quite different.

 

[rangrz]

Our senses and body are made to only interact with this (3 dimensional) reality;

there are other dimensions of existence outside of the physical body through the astral planes..

It is kind of like lucid dreaming but different; it is a really bizarre OBE feeling;

Yeah im not talking about using drugs to induce this state either...

It is very interesting stuff; I would encourage some of you to check it out and see for yourself;

But it takes ALOT of patience but some find it easier

We interact in 4 dimensional space actually..we do have a sense of time. 4 dimensions are all there is anyway... you only need to give 4 co-ordinates to describe an event...it's 3 dimensional spatial location, and it's temporal location. i.e. Meet at the Coffee shop at Main St and Dickeson Rd on the first floor (3 dimensional spatial location) at 3:00pm on Feb 20 2013. That is ALL the co-ordinate information you need to specify where I am and successfully meet me.

Ergo, there are no other dimensions.

Ok, fine, there are...but they are just mathematical abstractions that are unphysical and really only concern geeks like me who deal with operators over infinite dimensional vector spaces and integrate the path of all possible (infinitely many) paths for a particle and then use that as the expectation value for the operator. This only really matters in quantum field theory and can be safely ignored by anyone who's not a particle physicist.

But in reality. If there where additional non-compact dimensions...the world be VERY different. The volume of a cylinder, like a bottle of pop, would not be pi*radius² length. That would be very obvious and since it is, in fact, what that equation says, it must be only 3 spatial dimensions.

It makes no physical sense at all, to state that we have more than 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension in our universe.

 

[Foreigner]

We interact in 4 dimensional space actually..we do have a sense of time. 4 dimensions are all there is anyway... you only need to give 4 co-ordinates to describe an event...it's 3 dimensional spatial location, and it's temporal location. i.e. Meet at the Coffee shop at Main St and Dickeson Rd on the first floor (3 dimensional spatial location) at 3:00pm on Feb 20 2013. That is ALL the co-ordinate information you need to specify where I am and successfully meet me.

Ergo, there are no other dimensions.

Ok, fine, there are...but they are just mathematical abstractions that are unphysical and really only concern geeks like me who deal with operators over infinite dimensional vector spaces and integrate the path of all possible (infinitely many) paths for a particle and then use that as the expectation value for the operator. This only really matters in quantum field theory and can be safely ignored by anyone who's not a particle physicist.

But in reality. If there where additional non-compact dimensions...the world be VERY different. The volume of a cylinder, like a bottle of pop, would not be pi*radius² length. That would be very obvious and since it is, in fact, what that equation says, it must be only 3 spatial dimensions.

It makes no physical sense at all, to state that we have more than 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension in our universe.

rangrz, what part of this...

I've wondered if anyone here has personal experience with astral projection?

Not if you believe in it or not; but if you have direct experience with it..

...is not registering in your oh-so-intelligent brain?

The OP didn't ask for a scientific explanation, nor do they ask whether or not it was real or not. They asked people to share their experiences with astral projection. If you don't have any direct experiences to share, then stop shitting on this thread already. In this instance, no one gives a fuck about your scientific model of the universe, so piss off with your trolling.

 

[-=SS=-]

We interact in 4 dimensional space actually..we do have a sense of time. 4 dimensions are all there is anyway... you only need to give 4 co-ordinates to describe an event...it's 3 dimensional spatial location, and it's temporal location

Yeh, but unfortunately reality is not a 3-dimensional cartesian coordinate system rangrz. I don't think your science babble really fits in this thread either. Saying there are no other dimensions is just a blind assumption that you can not possibly verify. More importantly, I KNOW that statement is bullshit because I have been somewhere that is not located anywhere in our physical realm;

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Astral Projection is not bullshit, but it isn't something most people actually experience when they try to do it.. most people are actually having a lucid dream and/or a mild form of OBE where one leaves the body, travels until they lose their concentration (mere seconds) and the whole thing then becomes a dream rather than a real time wandering experience. This can be verified through testing.. get someone else to write something on the back of a piece of card and place it in the room so you can try to read it when you exit the body. It takes great concentration to maintain the awareness for an OBE or even a full lucid dream.. as soon as you relax your concentration the auto-pilot takes over.

Real astral projection is very much like aspects of a psychedelic experience (DMT in particular); tunnels, vivid and sharp colours in lines, grids, icons etc, a complete lack of body awareness. I can count the number of times I've experienced it on both hands, and it has never been available at my choosing. Lucid dreaming I've experienced hundreds of times if not more.

I don't know much beyond what I've experienced, but it certainly is not a product of the mind or anywhere in this reality. You just know that to be the case, at the time of the experience.. and it is not the product of a thought process.. it comes directly.

It's a very strange experience, kind of impersonal too. I didn't feel like I had any control, I was just watching. I couldn't "think" either. Those faculties were not available, which also backs up my impression that this is taking place outside of physical reality and not in the mind.

The other thing is I get the impression we do this every night when we sleep and not in a dream, but because it is not directly tied to the brain it is impossible to remember unless you experience it directly at the time it occurs.

 

[rangrz]

rangrz, what part of this...



...is not registering in your oh-so-intelligent brain?

The OP didn't ask for a scientific explanation, nor do they ask whether or not it was real or not. They asked people to share their experiences with astral projection. If you don't have any direct experiences to share, then stop shitting on this thread already. In this instance, no one gives a fuck about your scientific model of the universe, so piss off with your trolling.

You mean OP wants people who have hallucinations and don't recognize them as being such. Instead they are deluded into believing patent nonsense.

Message P.A. if you think my posts in this thread are out of line.

 

[Foreigner]

^ Done and done. Enjoy your temp ban!

Now... cire113, where were we??

 

[moonsafari]

It wasnt exactly what you are trying to do but ive had a handful of times where im asleep and basically lucid dreaming but instead of being in the actual dream I was watching myself in bed dreaming.
freaky shit lol.

 

[moonsafari]

Astra projection is bullshit, unfortunately.
If it were called "mooooo moooo baaaaa", would you believe that anyone who said those words had left their body? Of course you would, you'd believe any old shit that people say. It's all just words that people have misunderstood, I know this because I'm you, via "astral projection" - boo! (brush you teeth Timothy).

im not one to get all hippy dippy spiritual but it is definitely possible and I find it sad you can't even open your mind to the possibility.

 

[malakaix]

I had my first 'proper' experience with this a couple of weeks ago, by accident.

I was laying on my bed, and somewhere between waking consciousness and falling asleep. I suddenly appeared to be sitting across from my bed using my computer.. I could see myself asleep on the bed; it was the most bizarre experience.. I could see myself from a perspective outside of myself; as though i had projected my self to the other side of the room. Once i started to try wrap my mind around this, everything became distorted and i was thrown back into my perspective on the bed.

I also often experience been able to see through my eyelids into the room, this has happened on more then a couple of occasions, its really quite something.. it's not clear as day, but you can definitely see the objects around you in the room; i've often confused it for my eyes been open, then i open them and it's exactly the same. (Sound familiar to DMT? )

Once upon of time this would of fascinated me, but i dont care much for it these days.. if it happens it happens, i usually just think to myself 'that was fun' and then go back to sleep.

 

[moonsafari]

I had my first 'proper' experience with this a couple of weeks ago, by accident.

I was laying on my bed, and somewhere between waking consciousness and falling asleep. I suddenly appeared to be sitting across from my bed using my computer.. I could see myself asleep on the bed; it was the most bizarre experience.. I could see myself from a perspective outside of myself; as though i had projected my self to the other side of the room. Once i started to try wrap my mind around this, everything became distorted and i was thrown back into my perspective on the bed.

I also often experience been able to see through my eyelids into the room, this has happened on more then a couple of occasions, its really quite something.. it's not clear as day, but you can definitely see the objects around you in the room; i've often confused it for my eyes been open, then i open them and it's exactly the same. (Sound familiar to DMT? )

Once upon of time this would of fascinated me, but i dont care much for it these days.. if it happens it happens, i usually just think to myself 'that was fun' and then go back to sleep.

Same thing happened to me once... but ive had this same scenario at least 5 or 6 times. When I was younger I way incredibly interest in lucid dreaming (still am just not in the same ways.... dif story lol)... and the 'routines' or 'practices' i would do to train my brain somehow made me have these out of body type experiences. I look back on it now and think wow.. thats fkin cool haha but at the time it freaked me out a lil ... I always thought I was dying or something because I didn't have control.

But the eyelid thing sounds crazy! i mean that in a cool way. That i've never experienced.... you must sleep with your eyes open sometimes huh?

 

[-=SS=-]

Seeing through your eyelids is quite a common experience, and it's something I've had quite a few times. Other occassions everything goes black, like there is no colour from outside light coming through your eyelids or patterns in your mind.. just black and this feeling of massiveness. I used to have all this occur frequently, not so much any more since my mind is often occupied as i fall asleep (work etc). I think Robert Bruce has something about it in his book, though I don't have my copy to hand.. if i remember it's called etheric projection. I'd take his stuff with a pinch of salt though.. I mean don't subscribe to exactly how he see's.. he is just trying to sell a book afterall, and there's some errors in his beliefs imo. Regardless you'll only ever know for sure if you probe it all yourself.

Not to knock any persons experiences in here, the fact you've experienced lucid dreaming or mild OBE's is fantastic and you should take it as far as you can.. you're being presented an opportunity to find yourself. But... what has been described so far in this thread is not really astral projection. You'll know when its astral projection and not lucid dreaming/OBE's.. unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation about the topic and things get repeated as fact and then people believe they've experienced something when actually they haven't. Again, not to knock or anything.. you're experiencing something fantastic