WBROCKSTAR
Bluelighter
So how much of a sinner do you think you are on a scale from 1-10????Which commandment are you the most guilty of breaking
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Are You A Sinner
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aussie101
Ex-Bluelighter
LOL well I am certainly not a saint. I am perhaps a 5/10 right now.
All though looking at the commandments i have probably broken all of them at some point, except for murder of course... :D
All though looking at the commandments i have probably broken all of them at some point, except for murder of course... :D
WBROCKSTAR
Bluelighter
I would say Im a 5/10 also....Fornication is most definately my most practiced sin but I do realize how bad that sounds....I do find other comm much worse though
Foreigner
Bluelighter
11 baby.
Commandments? What are those?
Commandments? What are those?
ebola?
Bluelight Crew
Is there something to draw from the concept of sin that proves useful for non-believers?
ebola
ebola
1 being a Saint and 10 being a Mortal Sinner?
What makes them a Saint, is knowing how sinful they really are, being fully aware of their sinful nature, and having the faith to resist those temptations.
Probably out of the 10 commandments you speak of that I have broken the most times is using the Lord's name in vain. When I'm really anger or mad I unintentionally let a few G-damns out, or occasionally I'll accidentally let one slip. Been trying to say "oh my gosh" instead more, but the culture I live in growing up lets using the Lord's name in vain to no end. Still it's no excuse for what I need to improve on.
What makes them a Saint, is knowing how sinful they really are, being fully aware of their sinful nature, and having the faith to resist those temptations.
Probably out of the 10 commandments you speak of that I have broken the most times is using the Lord's name in vain. When I'm really anger or mad I unintentionally let a few G-damns out, or occasionally I'll accidentally let one slip. Been trying to say "oh my gosh" instead more, but the culture I live in growing up lets using the Lord's name in vain to no end. Still it's no excuse for what I need to improve on.
NightsEpiphany
Bluelighter
'Sin' means 'missing the mark'... falling short of your best. The bible teaches that we are incomplete without God. Humans were designed to be in relationship with 'Him'.
I don't know if you've ever felt a gnawing emptiness that nothing in creation can fill..a 'god shaped hole'? When you draw near to God there's an indescribable satisfaction and sense of completeness. Its like that deep empty well is filled with His Spirit. The church calls it a baptism of the Spirit. Jesus said unless we are 'born of the Spirit'we cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven which means we remain sinners or incomplete.
I'm something of a back slider or a prodigal. I get right with God and feel at home then things of the world destract me. Drugs for example and then ironically when i've wandered far from God and got really mucky I try to use some kind of alchemy to get back 'up' to Him. It never works. Only humility and confession of sin and asking forgiveness in sincerity. If you truly believe that your sins are forgiven because of Christs sacrifice then you return to God and wholeness.
I like the word 'wholesome'..Genuine fellowship with God feels 'wholesome'.. even if the word is a bit Little House On the Prairee. :D
I don't know if you've ever felt a gnawing emptiness that nothing in creation can fill..a 'god shaped hole'? When you draw near to God there's an indescribable satisfaction and sense of completeness. Its like that deep empty well is filled with His Spirit. The church calls it a baptism of the Spirit. Jesus said unless we are 'born of the Spirit'we cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven which means we remain sinners or incomplete.
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I'm something of a back slider or a prodigal. I get right with God and feel at home then things of the world destract me. Drugs for example and then ironically when i've wandered far from God and got really mucky I try to use some kind of alchemy to get back 'up' to Him. It never works. Only humility and confession of sin and asking forgiveness in sincerity. If you truly believe that your sins are forgiven because of Christs sacrifice then you return to God and wholeness.
I like the word 'wholesome'..Genuine fellowship with God feels 'wholesome'.. even if the word is a bit Little House On the Prairee. :D
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WBROCKSTAR
Bluelighter
Wow its great to see how different everyone sees themself as well as others....I went to church til my late teens and have been goin now and then,but I see alot of hippocrits now days in church....Im there for my own spiritual needs and Im not judging,but isnt it wrong to be there if its only so you can say I go to church and not because youre there to receive spiritualality,etc.......I cant stand sitting beside someone thats there for the wrong reasons
P A
Bluelighter
Quite a lot, I think. While they are undeniably far from foolproof, I've found that striving toward the exact inverse of the so-called Seven Deadly Sins of Catholic yore can go a surprisingly long way. Excluding the sexual proscription (i.e., Lust/Chastity), each of the remaining six sins/virtues cover a reasonably broad spectrum of unsavory human behavior. Irrespective of their metaphysical inclinations, if one abstains from overeating (overdrinking, overdrugging, and so on), resists the omnipresent tug of indolence, lives within modest means, chooses empathy and social perspective over jealousy and discontent, watches their temper, and keeps their ego in check, they will have succeeded in resisting about 80% of all serious human vice. After gluttony, sloth, greed, envy, wrath, and pride, I can only append cruelty and idiocy to my list of damning faults.
But IDK, maybe I got more than my daily value of Fullmetal Alchemy and world religion in my childhood meme diet.
NightsEpiphany
Bluelighter
You are judging,
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Personally I go because it is part of the Ten Commandments to remember the Sabbath day, along with building my relationship with the spirit, and mainly to receive the sacrament of the Eucharist - Body and Blood of our Lord - when I am in a state of sanctifying grace.
John 6:53 said:
I think many people receive the Body and Blood of our Lord unworthily in a state of mortal sin, but many do not know it is wrong to do so, I didn't even discover it was sacrilegious until I was in my adult years. In which case if you did the sacrament would be invalid or null.
You Loved Me Anyway - Sidewalk Prophets said:
I do agree there are hypocrites, but there are hypocrites in every religion/sect. The Church isn't a palace for the righteous to boast - The Church is more of a hospital for sinners. They aren't in the business of entertainment or making people feel good, they are in the business of saving souls and bringing people closer to Christ.
What wrong reasons do you speak of would someone have for going to Church?
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RobotRipping
Bluelighter
@Tromps: if you are trolling then fine work if not then what the fuck lol
seriously you'd feel better by saying 'oh my gosh' instead of god fucking damn it or whatever else fits. They are just words with no meaning other than what we give to them. As if the christian God would be that fucking spiteful over using his name in vain haha.
this whole thread is fucked, the 10 commandments are archaic and only by abstraction can they apply in any useful means today (in a way that P A laid out). The idea that Jesus will forgive me no matter what i do is great though, i can do fucking anything i want and Jesus will have my back. The 10 commandments are like a social contract of sorts, but by no means are they divine, that's just shit. Either way you can go murder millions of people if they oppose your religion and God won't care, cause you were doing his work.
the idea that we are all born sinners always threw me off with Christianity. Seems ridiculous, the story of jesus is more symbolic of how life treats people who go against the grain with the truth and reality. For example, socrates being put to death, galileo, and basically anyone who ever tried to go against the mainstream. The story of jesus represents the cruel nature of humanity if nothing else.
seriously you'd feel better by saying 'oh my gosh' instead of god fucking damn it or whatever else fits. They are just words with no meaning other than what we give to them. As if the christian God would be that fucking spiteful over using his name in vain haha.
this whole thread is fucked, the 10 commandments are archaic and only by abstraction can they apply in any useful means today (in a way that P A laid out). The idea that Jesus will forgive me no matter what i do is great though, i can do fucking anything i want and Jesus will have my back. The 10 commandments are like a social contract of sorts, but by no means are they divine, that's just shit. Either way you can go murder millions of people if they oppose your religion and God won't care, cause you were doing his work.
the idea that we are all born sinners always threw me off with Christianity. Seems ridiculous, the story of jesus is more symbolic of how life treats people who go against the grain with the truth and reality. For example, socrates being put to death, galileo, and basically anyone who ever tried to go against the mainstream. The story of jesus represents the cruel nature of humanity if nothing else.
Trolling? No... tbh I don't know why I even visit these forums. As a former drug-addict I was an atheist/agnostic once and thought it was all bullshit, but it was only through faith that I overcame my drug addictions. I look at it as I had to suffer through those drug addictions (kind of my cross to carry) to find God and surrendering my will to a higher power is ultimately what saved me. I mainly post here in P&S in the "religious or spiritual" threads, but I am looking forward to the "Recovery" section of bluelight opening up soon.
Anyways, I didn't say God would be "that fucking spiteful over using his name in vain" , if anything it's a venial sin meaning it's not a serious or grave sin, no one's going to be condemned to hell for venial sins.
I'm not perfect, and I was talking to the OP btw because he asked a question. I'm still not sure what he mean's by "which commandment are you most guilty of breaking." If by guilty he means which ones have I broken that are more serious, then I would change my answer to I'm most guilty of "shall not steal" , "honor father and mother" , and "shall not covet neighbors goods" as they are are more serious, but some of them even venial still, depending on the circumstances or situation. There are different kinds of sin, as you might agree, killing someone is more a more serious sin then lying is for example.
"I can do anything I fucking want and Jesus will have my back" that kind of thinking is definitely evil spirits putting thoughts into your head. That's your opinion, my opinion, and my faith teaches that Jesus will have your back if you have faith in him and live a life with attributes similar to that he had shown. He forgives those who are truly repentant in their heart. If you go out and kill millions of people and are really not that sorry for it, good luck being forgiven. I don't want to sound condescending, because even I humbly admit there are sins that I still struggle with and still aren't completely sorry for, but with faith and in time any obstacle can be overcame.
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WBROCKSTAR
Bluelighter
When I said some people go to church just so they can tell people theyre a churchgoer,,I meant that those type of people will go just so they can tell everyone theyre a christian because they go to church and not because theyre livin a christian type life,etc....I also believe that the CHURCH is the members and not the building that you have your services in....Also alot of people on forums,including myself at times,cant seem to answer simple questions with a small paragraph or a few sentences,we always read too much into a question
WBROCKSTAR
Bluelighter
Its an easy question::What sin( out of the 10 that are spoken of in the 10 Commandments ) R U GUILTY OF???Your answer can be simple but if you think about it too hard its gonna be a mile long....If youre an atheist,i doubt you should even have an answer considering you dont believe in God....10 Commandments wont apply to non-believers,sorry
NightsEpiphany
Bluelighter
Ah I'm sorry WBROCKSTAR. I agree, no doubt there are people who treat the church as a social club and don't walk the walk instead of talking the talk... Or,more seriously, you may know a chap though who's been foul to his wife and kids ..or other scenarios. I would say to you, as the least of Christians so a person that knows sin and repentance, just don't judge or be cynical. That's the noblest way to treat your brother or sister in church. God is more than willing to give you tolerance for them if you ask which lets you off the hook doesn't it? Because cynicism and judgementalism feels horrible in your body and mind.. it has an ugly vibe. You are there to worship and be with God and folks.
You are not judge. Vengence belongs to God. If some one is screwing up. The church sends a couple of people to talk to that person.
If they continue they place themselves in the hands of the living God.. ('a fearsome thing' isaiah i think). That person becomes torn and racked with remorse and will evetually turn around if they've ever known God. (IMO)
No 1 sin.. Idolatry but that kind of pulls all the others into it as well
You are not judge. Vengence belongs to God. If some one is screwing up. The church sends a couple of people to talk to that person.
If they continue they place themselves in the hands of the living God.. ('a fearsome thing' isaiah i think). That person becomes torn and racked with remorse and will evetually turn around if they've ever known God. (IMO)
No 1 sin.. Idolatry but that kind of pulls all the others into it as well
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NightsEpiphany
Bluelighter
RobotRipping
The running from God is lack of faith. You are tempted to believe He wont take you back. But this is the good news of the bible. He will always take you back if you have faith in Christ if a tiny bit like a mustard seed.
Jesus Himself gave us this promise and each time I turn to this verse ' God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whomsoever believes in Him will not perish but will having everlasting life' jn3.16... and if I am truely, cut to the quick sorry as I come to the cross, there is deep spiritual healing from the sin that caused death.
But they aren't being led by God as they were in some of the OT>
Agree whole heartedly. Society are afraid of anything different.. so shoot it, crucify it . The people that listen for the Spirit like all those people you listed and many that were persecuted by the church. They are usually run out of town or..or they get a little following and suddenly the spirit, you might even call it zeitgeist, is followed again and theres a refreshing and a new dawn that comes to society.
They kept telling what they believed to be the Truth though regardless of the pettyness and legalism of fierce, fanatical people.
Plenty of right on 'cool' people may try to drag you from Gods way.. Be a child of God and move with the wind.
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." john 3.18
The bible doesn't preach that. It teaches if you repent ( old fashioned word I know) and turn back to God, confessing your sins and leaving them at the cross, you will be restored. As you get older its not quite so easy to run up to someone who loves every hair on your head and tell them you have let them down. So most run both from the sin that was probably against someone they loved on earth and God. The wages of sin though are death and there is this deep sense of guilt and condemnation that your soul begins to carry.
The running from God is lack of faith. You are tempted to believe He wont take you back. But this is the good news of the bible. He will always take you back if you have faith in Christ if a tiny bit like a mustard seed.
Jesus Himself gave us this promise and each time I turn to this verse ' God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whomsoever believes in Him will not perish but will having everlasting life' jn3.16... and if I am truely, cut to the quick sorry as I come to the cross, there is deep spiritual healing from the sin that caused death.
But they aren't being led by God as they were in some of the OT>
Agree whole heartedly. Society are afraid of anything different.. so shoot it, crucify it . The people that listen for the Spirit like all those people you listed and many that were persecuted by the church. They are usually run out of town or..or they get a little following and suddenly the spirit, you might even call it zeitgeist, is followed again and theres a refreshing and a new dawn that comes to society.
They kept telling what they believed to be the Truth though regardless of the pettyness and legalism of fierce, fanatical people.
Plenty of right on 'cool' people may try to drag you from Gods way.. Be a child of God and move with the wind.
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." john 3.18
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RobotRipping
Bluelighter
ah shit who is going to forgive the catholic church for the MANY atrocities they as an institution have caused throughout the ages? I respect your beliefs and how it works for you and since you're not pushy about it that's fine. I don't have evil spirits influencing me though lol. I don't believe that is possible. Obviously our views are at different ends of the spectrum, whatever works for you works for you and whatever works for me works for me. I can't see how morality is anything but subjective.
Utilitarianism throws a wrench into your moral framework, what if it becomes the case that I need to blow the middle east up with nuclear weapons to save the rest of the earth? Am i violating God's commandments and have to repent or is this perfectly fine?
I truly wouldn't feel sorry if i had to kill millions of people for the better of the earth and it's life forms but under the commandments i would be a sinner. It's a bit contradictory is all. I can understand the possibility of a higher power but not the christian God, it screams bullshit to me. Pragmatically if the christian God allowed you to overcome your vices then that's great. The commandments are simply a written form of the social contract, a way for us humans to get along without destroying each other. I don't believe there is anything divine about them. And even so, despite this the catholic church is still responsible for numerous atrocities (no condoms in Africa??? wtf) so i just cannot believe in anything they do. I have studied Catholicism enough to know that in itself there's nothing wrong with it, the Popes in the past have been great leaders and people who are extremely intellectual and open minded. The church as an institution though has made some severe fuck ups in the past and present that i'm sure God and/or Jesus would not forgive.
I guess this is off topic and i'm probably just bashing Catholicism in particular for my own purposes, just wanted to clarify why i feel the way i do about the church itself.
I'm not much of a sinner anyway, but i live by my own code and not the commandments. If you weren't sincere in your posts i'd find them hilarious as you almost sound completely sarcastic about it but whatever lol.