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Are you a Liberal Ironist?

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I was reading a book by Richard Rorty and I found this article that summarizes his position pretty well. I was just wondering if anyone would consider themselves an "ironist."

The "ideal citizen" of Rorty’s liberal utopia is someone who eschews the need for foundations and is fully conscious of the contingency of his or her "language,...conscience,...morality, and...highest hopes."19 While such a citizen may be privately Nietzschean20, he or she is publicly committed to a political order that fosters individual creativity while at the same time minimizing cruelty. Now, Rorty is often (but not always) careful to distinguish this simple awareness of the contingency of one’s condition from ironism, liberal or otherwise.21 In his ideal liberal society, ordinary citizens would be "commonsensically nominalist and historicist," but not ironic about their situations; that is, they would not feel "any particular doubts about the contingencies they happen to be."22 Ordinary citizens would not look to nature or reason to justify or test their allegiance to their community; for them, their community and its "values" would provide their lives with meaning. To this extent, postmodern non- or anti-foundationalism would seem to support a kind of ethnocentricity that supports citizenship.23 On the other hand, ironism is and would continue to be reserved for intellectuals, who have "continuing doubts about the final vocabulary [they] currently [use]," realize "that argument phrased in [their] present vocabulary can neither underwrite nor dissolve those doubts," and do not think "that [their] vocabulary is closer to reality than others."24 In short, in Rorty’s ideal liberal society no one--not citizens, not political leaders, not public or private intellectuals--would seek to make an appeal to the "laws of nature and nature’s God," to justify in universal or transhistorical terms the principles or habits in accordance with which they happened to live.25 What does and should move ordinary citizens of liberal societies, however, is the concrete "hope that life will be freer, less cruel, more leisured, richer in goods and experiences, not just for our descendants but for everybody’s descendants."26

In other words, a Rortian liberal society will apparently for most of its citizens be justified, not by some reference to God or nature, but by a pragmatic and progressive "philosophy of history" (if that is not a contradiction in terms).27 Such a "story" can be buttressed and, needless to say, undermined only by "facts," or, if you will, references to the events of history.28 To the extent, however, that recent history does not seem to support our hopes, to the extent that life does not seem to be getting better and better for all of us, we may well come to regard "the last few hundred years of European and American history...as an island in time, surrounded by misery, tyranny, and chaos."29 The hope that grounds the allegiance of ordinary people to liberalism would thus seem to be at the mercy of "contingencies." If Rorty’s bleak vision of our age is plausible, then the very century in which for the first time a liberal utopia might be possible (because of the allegedly growing nominalism and historicism of the general population and the growing ironism of the intelligentsia) is also the one in which the devotion of most people to the principles of liberalism is most at risk.

There are two ways out of this apparent political conundrum. The first is to depend upon the intelligentsia to "redescribe" our circumstances so as to sustain hope. The question here is whether ironists who are so full of doubts would be willing or able to do so. A second avenue is to reject Rorty’s description of the political psychology of liberal hope. Let us briefly consider the second before returning to the first.

Rorty’s claim that ordinary allegiance to liberalism depends upon a progressive account of history that may be subject to "factual" refutation turns on the argument that for most contemporary liberal citizens hopes for the afterlife have been replaced by hopes for the this-worldly future. We care now more for the happiness of our grandchildren than for the salvation of our souls.30 In Rorty’s world, religious faith has declined, probably irretrievably and certainly for the better. By most other accounts, however, "American religion today is thriving, activist, and diverse," with 94% of Americans professing "a belief in God or a universal spirit" and about 70% believing in life after death.31 Now, these "metaphysical" commitments are not necessarily inconsistent with belief in a progressive account of this-worldly history. Indeed, I have suggested elsewhere that Kant’s philosophy of history requires some sort of faith in an extra-historical guarantor of the hoped-for outcome.32 It is possible to argue, in other words, that hope for this world as well as for the next depends upon faith in a Supreme Being. From the point of view of perpetuating liberalism, the advantage of religiously-grounded hope over a purely secular account of historical progress is that it is more resistant to apparently contrary facts. It enlists the inscrutability or "semi-scrutability" of God’s will and the confidence in divine beneficence on behalf of our temporal hopes, even against the best available "empirical" evidence. Needless to say, it is also possible to offer a variety of other religiously-derived "metaphysical" arguments on behalf of liberalism.33

Of course, the work it would take to appropriate religion on behalf of liberalism will have to be undertaken, if at all, by intellectuals. That Rorty himself is not about to take on this task is abundantly clear; for him, a "postreligious culture" is as desirable as a "postmetaphysical culture."34 He further implies that there is no necessary connection between ironism--the current stance of most intellectuals--and liberalism.35 The kinds of doubts that ironists entertain do not arise only in liberal societies nor are only those who begin as liberals subject to them.36 In addition, he assumes that ironists have a certain kind of intellectual integrity. They cannot be "‘progressive’ and ‘dynamic’ liberals" because they "cannot offer the same sort of social hope as metaphysicians offer." In their view, the ability "to conquer the forces which are marshaled against you...is a matter of weapons and luck, not a matter of having truth on your side, or having detected the ‘movement of history.’"37 Just as ironists cannot believe, wholeheartedly or otherwise, in God or nature, so also can they not believe in any sort of providential history.38 Indeed, for Rorty a philosophy of history is merely "a large blurry object around which to weave our concrete local fantasies."39 What, then, is the current connection between ironism and liberalism? Why might ironists wish to support liberalism? And, finally, how would they offer their support?

Rorty’s answer to the first question is that some ironists like himself happen to have been born in liberal societies and raised as liberals. A liberal ironist is an ironist who happens to be a liberal, but who apparently also is not convinced by or satisfied with the principles upon which his or her society is supposed to be based. The question of why in the face of this dissatisfaction the liberal ironist remains a liberal or conditions the pursuit of personal perfection on the limits imposed by liberalism is not one that Rorty explicitly addresses. Part of the answer may, however, be constructed from the following consideration. According to Rorty, ironism is essentially privatistic; for ironists, "theory has become a means to private perfection rather than to human solidarity."40 Because the ironist cannot wholly invest him- or herself in any common project, because the ironist will always have doubts about the "final vocabulary" in accordance with which the project is justified, he or she will always keep a certain distance from his or her fellows. The ironist’s goal is autonomy understood as self-creation.41 To the extent that this is a genuinely private goal, it probably can most easily be pursued in a society that is tolerant, makes minimal public demands on its citizens, and offers as great as possible a range of opportunities for individual self-fulfillment.42 Thus there is an essentially selfish strategic ground for ironists to make common cause with liberalism, so long, presumably, as their attempts to promote or perpetuate liberalism do not overburden their efforts at self-perfection.
 
this appears to be a relavent xcerpt from Ebola's Essay on ontology...
Because of the nature of the relation between experience and existence, there appears one nagging problem: that of other minds. If experience stands as qualities emergent from the bound interaction of subject and object, how is it that multiple individuals can experience the same object in different lights? If a color-blind man and a woman of “normal” vision are both viewing a rose, how can they both be viewing the same object? Is the object not in their heads, in the realm of the mental? To argue along this strongly dualist line of reasoning is to ignore the human being’s nature as social. For the human being, the mind operates not in terms of a private language and private mental representations; rather, shared linguistic constructs, other shared cultural symbols, and in many cases shared physiology orient us together in shared experience. To return to the example of the rose, the man and the woman are tied together by the word “rose”, orienting each individual towards the same object. Through conversation, shared aspects of the rose can be mutually explored, culturally shared qualities and qualities based on shared sensation of that rose, such as its odor, shape, size, and role as symbolizing love, emerge in the interaction of the two individuals and the rose. Thus, “experience” in the case of this example consists of sensory qualities and cultural symbolism which are linked through language, these qualities of experience being one and the same as the rose itself.

Namely, would Rorty agree?
 
just to clear things up:
so there is no equivocation, Rorty is speaking of something akin to classical liberalism...
...

So the question in the second post...would Rorty agree with the pragmatist ontology of concepts and objects?
I'm going to tentatively say no. From what I've read (which is woefully little), the liberal ironist (like certain other post-modernists) appears skeptical of all conceptual frameworks (to the extent that they cannot be "correct of final"). Thus, social participation for the liberal ironist is a sort of pragmatic compromise, where social meaning is temporarily entertained only insofar as it furthers personal well-being (of some non-symbolic sort).

The pragmatist philosopher (like James or Dewey or something), on the other hand, would argue that social frameworks of meaning are "real" but never final. They arise our of dynamic interactions with our environment and are employed insofar as they "work". They are real to us, but are at the same time one set of many possibilities.

ebola
 
The first issue we need to address is the definition of "private language." It is hard, because maybe some people (ironists), have a *more* private language/life than other people.

For example,
"Because the ironist cannot wholly invest him- or herself in any common project, because the ironist will always have doubts about the "final vocabulary" in accordance with which the project is justified, he or she will always keep a certain distance from his or her fellows."

Maybe some people are just born like this.... Like a bell curve distribution. I'm kind of introverted...and the label "private life" seems to apply to me often. I have doubts about the "way things are," and I am always skeptical of the language people use and how it affects our thinking.
 
Just to clarify...

When Rorty calls himself a "liberal," he means someone who believes cruelty is the worst thing we can do.
 
Another view?

Wittgenstein's main attack on the idea of a private language is contained in sections 244-271 of Philosophical Investigations. These passages, especially those from section 256 onwards, are now commonly known as ‘the private language argument’, despite the fact that he brings further considerations to bear on the topic in other places in his writings.

The argument is, apparently, readily summarized. The conclusion is that a language in principle unintelligible to anyone but its originating user is impossible. The reason for this is that such a so-called language would, necessarily, be unintelligible to its supposed originator too, for he would be unable to establish meanings for its putative signs.

Even among those who accept that there is a reasonably self-contained and straightforward private language argument to be discussed, there has been fundamental and widespread disagreement over its details, its significance and even its intended conclusion, let alone over its soundness. The result is that every reading of the argument (including that which follows) is controversial. Some of this disagreement has arisen because of the notorious difficulty and occasional elusiveness of Wittgenstein's own text (sometimes augmented by problems of translation). But much derives from the tendency of philosophers to read into the text their own preconceptions without making them explicit and asking themselves whether its author shared them. Some commentators, for instance, supposing it obvious that sensations are private, have interpreted the argument as intended to show they cannot be talked about; some, supposing the argument to be an obvious but unsustainable attempt to wrest special advantage from scepticism about memory, have maintained it to be unsound because it self-defeatingly implies the impossibility of public discourse as well as private; some have assumed it to be a direct attack on the problem of other minds; some have claimed it to commit Wittgenstein to behaviourism or verificationism; some have thought it to imply that language is, of necessity, not merely potentially but actually social (this has come to be called the ‘community view’ of the argument).
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/private-language/

I am leaning towards the "community view" of language, i.e. language is inherently social and thus "public."

But I still can't reconcile that with my own experience, because sometimes I feel precisely as if I possess a real *private* language.

Are my feelings misguiding me? If so, then can I really call myself an ironist?
 
>>I am leaning towards the "community view" of language, i.e. language is inherently social and thus "public."

But I still can't reconcile that with my own experience, because sometimes I feel precisely as if I possess a real *private* language.

Are my feelings misguiding me? If so, then can I really call myself an ironist?>>

hmmm...the issue of whether a private language exists is a bit of a tricky one. As the linked article hinted, both (or all, rather) sides of the debate are mired in their own preconceptions.

On one hand, much thought does appear to be linguistic, involving some sort of private, mental manipulation of symbols acquired in social activity. This social activity seems to be the whole reason we have a language, to communicate and coordinate. Would language exist if we were solitary beings? Would we have any of the same cognitive faculties?

At the same time, part of the argument against a private language hinges on the philosopher's not having one herself. That is the case with me. I think in words or images, for the most part. I can't really argue, though, that someone describing her own private language is a bloody liar; I cannot deny her experience. I would also say that such an experience, in this case, cannot really be "incorrect". It's being is apparent in its immediacy.

I should also note that recent data in cognitive psychology suggests the existence of semantic short term memory, distinct from the verbal loop and visual sketch-pad. This, at the very least, is congruent with the idea of a private language (but also with a public language).

I would finally add that an ironist could get off the ground using public language exclusively, just manipulating those symbols in his private life.

>>Just to clarify...

When Rorty calls himself a "liberal," he means someone who believes cruelty is the worst thing we can do.>>

I'm not sure if much hinges on this point, but I tend to think of classical liberalism in terms of the maximization of individual freedom. Such maximization is "good" because we all have different ends in mind, we all strive towards a different good. Then, on these terms, the state is to act as a neutral arbiter when conflicts arise. eh...im not sure how much of a liberal I really am....

ebola
np: burnt by the sun.
 
On one hand, much thought does appear to be linguistic, involving some sort of private, mental manipulation of symbols acquired in social activity. This social activity seems to be the whole reason we have a language, to communicate and coordinate. Would language exist if we were solitary beings? Would we have any of the same cognitive faculties?
Yes, social activity seems to be the whole reason we have language; but aren't we just begging the question? Language clearly wouldn't exist if we were solitary beings not because language is somehow contingent on social activity, but because if we weren't social, a WHOLE lot of other things would be fundamentally altered as well...namely: everything.

At the same time, part of the argument against a private language hinges on the philosopher's not having one herself. That is the case with me. I think in words or images, for the most part. I can't really argue, though, that someone describing her own private language is a bloody liar
Ok this view is definately consistent with Rorty and his liberal ironists. Rorty admits to being an ironist himself, while referring in his words to the "romanticists," who are the large majority of people. For example, "...some ironists like himself happen to have been born in liberal societies and raised as liberals." So he is indirectly implying that a human can be "born" as an ironist (to be dropped from the sky into society X at time Y).

So I don't think it is really relavent to ask whether Rorty is an ironist or not. People are a mix of both sometimes. Like you for example, think in words or images...but that does not eliminate the possibility of having a private language. Rorty isn't arguing that only ironists have private language (and I think you know that I am just clarifying). He is arguing that ironism is "necessarily private."

It's being is apparent in its immediacy.[the experience of a private language]
Yes.
 
(from the article)"While such a citizen may be privately Nietzschean, he or she is publicly committed to a political order that fosters individual creativity while at the same time minimizing cruelty."
The author reads Rorty as being the same sort of "classic" liberal you described, so I think you are right. Except I think the term 'liberal' is more tied to the cruelty thing than the political order.

And also, the issue of private language is not necessarily linked to the more political question. Think about the fact that ironists do not need to be political nihilists...even though they doubt the final vocabulary.
 
>>And also, the issue of private language is not necessarily linked to the more political question. Think about the fact that ironists do not need to be political nihilists...even though they doubt the final vocabulary.>>

I would certainly agree with this. The ironist (as I understand her) is free to levy criticism of text via manipulation of text, wrapping back on itself (and that which lies nearby).

ebola
 
Waffle.

The only important thing he wrote was about the vocabulary. The contingency of a social order's legitimancy can evolve in several ways. The Romans and Greeks moved pretty much to a republic with some off shoots of monarchy, but that came from the Macedonian period. Feudalism and Monarchy and Aristocracy evolved through theocratic rule, to blood-line rule, whereby blood-line were kept educated and wealthy and connected, which naturally led to Aristocracy and Monarchy together.

But the one thing, regardless of the order of the evolution for the contingent or historical basis for our social order, that has remained fairly universal, is that the extroverted sort of cosmopolitanism of England and the rest of Europe has been seen during any times of social progress or advancement, regardless of the moral value of that advancement.

According to Rorty, ironism is essentially privatistic; for ironists, "theory has become a means to private perfection rather than to human solidarity."40 Because the ironist cannot wholly invest him- or herself in any common project, because the ironist will always have doubts about the "final vocabulary" in accordance with which the project is justified, he or she will always keep a certain distance from his or her fellows. The ironist’s goal is autonomy understood as self-creation.41 To the extent that this is a genuinely private goal, it probably can most easily be pursued in a society that is tolerant, makes minimal public demands on its citizens, and offers as great as possible a range of opportunities for individual self-fulfillment.42 Thus there is an essentially selfish strategic ground for ironists to make common cause with liberalism, so long, presumably, as their attempts to promote or perpetuate liberalism do not overburden their efforts at self-perfection.

I would not want to be one. Sounds like Sir Conrad Black, or any of the remaining aristocratic sentiment which remains today from the glorious old days. As cosmopolitan as an Ironist might like to be, someone who can truly speak to a wide group of people are those with as much of a private world as anyone, but who yet nonetheless do not bog themselves down in these 'contingencies'. Not saying that I am one. :)
 
>>someone who can truly speak to a wide group of people are those with as much of a private world as anyone, but who yet nonetheless do not bog themselves down in these 'contingencies'. >>

How would this type of person escape historical contingency?

ebola
 
Not historical contingencies, as the world and the community which any leader or popular figure appeal to are so fragmented and dynamic these days, but the contingencies of general human fluctuations.

The historical contingency might have been important in a time when most people's awareness of other cultures and ideas was highly limited.
 
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