Misc Are either phenibut, kratom or opium withdrawals capable of producing a 1-2 week psychosis?

[smackatackpunpunpun]

Inquiring minds want to know. I would think kratom wouldn’t be able to, but maybe phenibut? I know phenibut withdrawal can but I’m speaking of active usage for both phenibut and kratom. I’d assume opium withdrawals wouldn’t be capable of triggering something that long, I’ve probably watched too much Trainspotting and I’m thinking of that damned baby.
Yes just need a reality check (not that it would work hehe). Help a brother out

 

[BourbonMac]

So, I only used Phenibut for 2 months or so. Felt myself getting more and more addicted to it, thinking "well 2 days a week? I'll take it Sunday and then Tuesday and then Friday since Sunday is the weekend" type of shit. Honestly, I'm not really sure how or why but one day I just didn't like how it felt, thank fucking God. Because I was taking a fucking lot of that shit. Not enough to end up in withdrawal.

Psychosis is definitely a risk factor in withdrawal for many, many drugs. I just had a bit of a psychotic break weeks back. It was bad enough someone tried to rob me, but then I ran out of Valium for a week and was having terrifying withdrawals. So terrifying I won't even speak further.

Kratom I've experienced psychosis in withdrawal. Severe detachment from reality and myself (DP/DR). It did not help that I was going through a severe personal crisis at the time, both in my identity, and the loss of someone very close to me. It's haunting to look back. Everything was cold, I felt only sadness and emptiness. I wasn't there anymore. Next day, I'm cutting bags open to lick all the shit lol... Actually it worked, too.

I mean, it's not severe with kratom, compared to the tons of drugs that are far worse. The withdrawals truly suck ass, but benzo withdrawal freaked me out way more. Although, I've basically been using kratom daily for almost... 8 years??? I've only been in withdrawal twice... No idea how bad they'd be now.

Anyway, I know Phenibut is really addictive. So yeah, you'd absolutely go through some psychosis. If benzos can do that, this shit would be next level. Be careful man, and maybe try some kava kava. Actually, I believe that's what got me off Phenibut. It kind of felt similar, but cleaner (minus the fact that it tastes like feet). Haven't had that stuff in awhile.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Any one of these drugs is capable of producing/awakening psychosis in an individual.

There are people whose Schizophrenia was awakened because they smoked Cannabis. This person was previously susceptible to this, so we can't say that Cannabis makes people go insane. The same can be said for pretty much any mind-altering drug. A person with underlying mental health issues can be triggered by using mind-altering substances.

However, the drugs that you've listed; the answer is no. They are not drugs that would typically cause a person to have a severe psychotic episode. Like stated above, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there for whom their conditions were triggered through the use of said drugs, though they are statistical outliers.

A drug that we can say makes people crazy directly through its primary effects would be something like Methamphetamine and/or psychostimulants in general. We know that if a person uses large enough quantities of the drug, psychosis of some kind is expected. If you're looking for the drug that accurately fits your original post, Methamphetamine is probably the best candidate.

 

[smackatackpunpunpun]

So, I only used Phenibut for 2 months or so. Felt myself getting more and more addicted to it, thinking "well 2 days a week? I'll take it Sunday and then Tuesday and then Friday since Sunday is the weekend" type of shit. Honestly, I'm not really sure how or why but one day I just didn't like how it felt, thank fucking God. Because I was taking a fucking lot of that shit. Not enough to end up in withdrawal.

Psychosis is definitely a risk factor in withdrawal for many, many drugs. I just had a bit of a psychotic break weeks back. It was bad enough someone tried to rob me, but then I ran out of Valium for a week and was having terrifying withdrawals. So terrifying I won't even speak further.

Kratom I've experienced psychosis in withdrawal. Severe detachment from reality and myself (DP/DR). It did not help that I was going through a severe personal crisis at the time, both in my identity, and the loss of someone very close to me. It's haunting to look back. Everything was cold, I felt only sadness and emptiness. I wasn't there anymore. Next day, I'm cutting bags open to lick all the shit lol... Actually it worked, too.

I mean, it's not severe with kratom, compared to the tons of drugs that are far worse. The withdrawals truly suck ass, but benzo withdrawal freaked me out way more. Although, I've basically been using kratom daily for almost... 8 years??? I've only been in withdrawal twice... No idea how bad they'd be now.

Anyway, I know Phenibut is really addictive. So yeah, you'd absolutely go through some psychosis. If benzos can do that, this shit would be next level. Be careful man, and maybe try some kava kava. Actually, I believe that's what got me off Phenibut. It kind of felt similar, but cleaner (minus the fact that it tastes like feet). Haven't had that stuff in awhile.

Phenibut feels bad after awhile. I need to taper. Interestingly though last four times I quit after heavy usage my withdrawal symptoms were mild anxiety and not sleeping for two days. Opium seems to cover all of phenibut withdrawals for some reason or I’m just not prone to bad withdrawal’s from it.

Yea I don’t think I’m in psychosis tbh, I just have a lot of depersonalization/derealization all the time and sometimes I don’t believe myself at all.
So I’m disassociated daily sometimes I “wake up” doing things, but it’s not a psychotic episode.
If that makes sense?

 

[smackatackpunpunpun]

Any one of these drugs is capable of producing/awakening psychosis in an individual.

There are people whose Schizophrenia was awakened because they smoked Cannabis. This person was previously susceptible to this, so we can't say that Cannabis makes people go insane. The same can be said for pretty much any mind-altering drug. A person with underlying mental health issues can be triggered by using mind-altering substances.

However, the drugs that you've listed; the answer is no. They are not drugs that would typically cause a person to have a severe psychotic episode. Like stated above, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there for whom their conditions were triggered through the use of said drugs, though they are statistical outliers.

A drug that we can say makes people crazy directly through its primary effects would be something like Methamphetamine and/or psychostimulants in general. We know that if a person uses large enough quantities of the drug, psychosis of some kind is expected. If you're looking for the drug that accurately fits your original post, Methamphetamine is probably the best candidate.

Yep I’d expect it with meth and I knew about cannibas.

I have borderline with heavy dissociation.
Stress triggers feelings of non reality and by nature in borderline you are basically questioning yourself all the time, it’s the disease of contradictions, lying to the self and in fighting inside of the brain, makes you a victim or a perpetrator, there’s no inbetween if you aren’t aware of what’s going on and worst part is you think you are correct either way.
The internal dynamics are fucked.
Now that I know I need to stop doing drugs completely, but that’s gonna take awhile.
I need more opium to be functional lol

 

[BourbonMac]

Phenibut feels bad after awhile. I need to taper. Interestingly though last four times I quit after heavy usage my withdrawal symptoms were mild anxiety and not sleeping for two days. Opium seems to cover all of phenibut withdrawals for some reason or I’m just not prone to bad withdrawal’s from it.

Yea I don’t think I’m in psychosis tbh, I just have a lot of depersonalization/derealization all the time and sometimes I don’t believe myself at all.
So I’m disassociated daily sometimes I “wake up” doing things, but it’s not a psychotic episode.
If that makes sense?

Well, it's borderline a psychotic episode. You feel the DP/DR, that technically is one to an extent, though mild. I know exactly what you mean. LSD fucked me up for 3 months when I was 17 and I thought I'd never come back. It was as if a sleeping nightmare was trying to drag me down. Shit destroyed me and my very core. Nothing was real anymore. My childhood never happened, I was a walking ghost.

Anyway, using Opium/Opioids is absolutely not a good idea to cover phenibut withdrawal. That drug is basically like GHB, though not quite. It functions I believe as both a benzo and gabapentinoid. If so, the withdrawal will be fucking brutal. Taper, don't use other drugs to switch addictions. And perhaps even some Gabapentin can help you along the way.

How much were you taking, exactly, and how often?