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Another thread asking for advice with my addiction

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Went to the sub doctor today, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to posted prices, but between the visit, and the precription, I was so tempted during the whole process to just say FUCK IT, and go back to illicit use.

My habit recently has been about 200-300mg of oxy a day, which is the highest it has ever been.

Yesterday, I accidently ran into precipitated w/ds, which was TERRIBLE, but with enough xanax, I knocked myself out and woke up with just the chilld/shivers.

Heres a couple questions I have.

1) Today is day 2 on suboxone. Ive taken 12mg today total. Is it normal to still have irritibility, cold chills, hot flashes, and cramping in the stomach? Its been about 48 hours w/o any oxy now.

2) Am I REALLY doing the right thing? Subs are so expensive. Should I just go back to my DOC (oxy) which I have access to with ease monthly?

3) I really want to manage my addiction. I dont care wether I quit, stay on, or whatnot, I just want to manage it to where it doesnt break my bank, and I can watch my son without feeling sick or having to worry about where I'm getting my next fix.

4) If I do choose to stay on sub, what are your personal experiences? Should I stay on long-term? Or should I taper down quickly?


I am just really asking for help w/ my addiction,as I feel like I've tried everything, and I feel so helpless. My family doesnt understand, my fiance doesnt understand and often gets so frustrated and upset with me - and my 6mo old baby shouldnt have to have a dad in such a pathetic situation, even though I DO take care of him first, no matter what, still.


How have you guys quit or managed your opiates addictions once theyve gotten to my point or worse? (200-300mg oxy per day, 5 year addiction, 3 year daily)

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Also, I'm sorry the original post is scatter brained, like I said, because of this transition I dont feel well, but I know I'd feel a hundred times worse w/o the sub.

I'm wondering if I should take more, like 2mg? or just ride it out?



This 5 year opiate ride has taken a toll on me, and i'm still in my early twenties. I just wish I could put it all behind me, and move on w/ my life, finish college (which I'm currently enrolled) and raise my family.


Id like to maybe even hear some success stories to help me get through this, ya know
 
When i have caused precip w/d in the past, i have loaded up on suboxone, like 32mgs + and then they went away. This method didn't work when my tolerance skyrocketed.

I personally would try to taper off the subs as soon as possible. bc when i first started subs, i was able to taper off subs easily, but then stupidly i ended up using, went back on subs, rinse, repeat for years. Years later, after tapering off subs, i found the PAWS more difficult for me.

I have not yet conquer my addiction. I think i fucked up my chances w subs bc i abused them with that on/off cycle for about 5 years. But I have heard that ppl who havent abused subs like i have for long have been able to kick their opiate habits.

Right now, i am tapering using heroin, a short acting opiate, with my parent's help (otherwise i have no self control). My reasoning is that the PAWS wont be long or non-existent and i'll have a greater success. In the past when i have kicked subs, the PAWS sucked and I ended up using after a couple months.
 
yes what ur feeling is right, in a day or two ull be fine
u SHOULD DEF stay on sub

it gets better. easier, and u end up liking life without opiates

take ur sub as prescribed, is that not a big enough wake up call..stay on it long term til u relize to grow up and get off drugs, its time to get a living, have a job, and raise ur kid to be good.

i was in the same boat with addiction, 4 years eberyday, 5 year addiction...over 600mg a day, sometimes1200

i grew up, relized how badly opiates has made my life negative, thought long and hard, and got the fuck off, weaned down to 300mgs, hopped on sub at 32mg, its been almost 3 months and im at 2mg

u cant live life on opiates, what are u going to do when u hate taking sub and u tolerance is at 600mgs a day, soon 900mg, ull be spending more money than ur even making...then who loses out, you.. you and ur kid

its time to think about someone else now.
 
Im not sure why you still feel like crap even though your taking huge doses of suboxone. I had an opiate habit even larger than yours and I was able to switch to only 2mg's of suboxone and it made me feel great. And I evn lowered my dose quickly after that. im not sure why you still feel like crap.

I guess everyone is different. Maybe you should try taking a little more and seeing if it helps, but if it doesnt, I might reccommend taking a much smaller dose to see if that works better. Because at doses of higher than 4-8mg's, suboxone has alot more antagonistic effects. this could very well be what your experiencing.

I guess just do what you think will work, and good luck:)
 
I found sub to be very strange. I couldnt ever transition easily onto it and it was at least 3-4 days before I felt okay on it. I've tried it every which way but loose and the only time it was easy was when I was totally clean and took it to manage cravings. I've never had an easy go with suboxone and have, in the long run, chose methadone because without it, I would most certainly be dead or in jail.
 
I commend you for seeking help. Things do get better..it just takes time.

You're taking 12mgs of sub? Are you taking it once or twice a day? I've been on subs for awhile. I take 8mgs in the morning. Are you taking it under your tongue? It's weird that you aren't feeling better..you can PM me if you want. I've been on them for awhile now and I've done a lot of research on these suckers.

Hold mouthwash under your tongue for 2 minutes, then place the sub in RIGHT AFTER you spit out the mouth wash. Hold it under your tongue until its completely gone. If it takes longer than 15 minutes, then keep it under for longer than 15 minutes.

If you still aren't feeling well, Call you sub doctors office and tell them what you're feeling. It takes awhile to find the right dose, but you should not be suffering in the begining..that's the whole point. Don't be scared to call your office and tell them. You're paying for their services!

Feel better xoo

Btw..I had an opiate/benzo addiction. I have a 2 year old daughter and a fiance' of 5 years..who also went through this with me. I have to say, it's been the best thing I've ever done in my life. I can remember my daughters milestones now, play with her, and simply be there for her. I know you said you do "everything" with your son, but I said the same when I was using..and sadly, that's not true. You son needs you more than opiates do.

Good luck.
 
Yes, treatment with Suboxone is expensive but, unlike illicit use, it's a lot less than legal fees, bail, fines, lost wages due to incarceration, unemployability because of a criminal record, etc., so try to keep it in perspective. It's not for the rest of your life.
 
I tried subs recently. I bought 15 from a friend and was going to taper down to quit roxies. But I found that eating 3-4 subs at a time gave me a nice little buzz, and I ate all the subs within a few days :( Then it was back to roxies.

I ate 150mg roxies this morning along with my medication xanax and klonopin, and then took my dog for a walk in downtown Boone; it was real nice day out and I was happy and felt good.
 
Coming off that high of a daily dose of oxy is why the subs haven't made you feel 100% yet. It can take a week or so to get stable on the sub. Adding more doesn't guarantee you'll feel better any sooner. Give it time and you'll notice an improvement.
 
supermarket said:
How have you guys quit or managed your opiates addictions once theyve gotten to my point or worse? (200-300mg oxy per day, 5 year addiction, 3 year daily)

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I managed to stop before it got to that point. I was up to about 100-120mg oxy daily for 2.5 years. A little more than a year of norcos , daily, prior to that. And was supplimenting all that with whatever else I could get on the street for an extra boost. Opana, fentanyl pops, more norcos, etc...

Anyway after experiencing two w/d sessions in a short amount of time I figured enough was enough. Even if I had full pill bottles I would think about my situation and get panic attacks. So I figured enough was enough.

I found a good sub doctor who put me on 4mg/day and dropped me down to 2mg/day in less than a week. However I was on sub for almost 2 years and finally tapered down this year and have been off subs completely since May 2010. If I were to do it again I'd do a fast taper, like a month, with subs.

The problem some of my friends or ppl i know had with sub is simply they weren't doing it right or weren't ready to get clean yet. I knew kids that would stock up then just pop them in their mouths when they couldn't get their DOC...would get sick from precip w/ds and end up taking 24mgs and wonder why it didn't work. Or kids that would expect that the sub is gonna make them feel exactly like their DOC did and keep taking more until they felt "buzzed" .all that is a waste of time and money. if you wanna get high still...stay on your DOC

From my experience , my advice to you is to stay on the sub and lower your dose as soon as possible. The precip w/ds you ran into the other day might be some of the reason why you're still feeling like shit after 48 hrs of no oxy but I dunno. You should have waited like 36 hours before you dosed your first sub IMO.

If you want to get clean from my experience going on sub then tapering is a good look. if you simply want to manage your addiction like you said why even bother with sub??? to be frank you have to figure out what you really want I don't think you can have it both ways for very long
 
What I would do is, before starting your subs, make sure you are in complete withdrawal. Wait until the point where you are begging for something, anything to make you feel better. Then take the sub and you will feel much better and very thankful that they exist. Whether this means going back on your oxy for a bit, taking the dose lower, and then letting yourself go into full withdrawal.
 
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