another rare steroid I wonder if anyone here has tried - dimethyl nandrolone

Never heard of it, I think it's only produced for research and it's quite new so I guess no one used it here...
 
I read a log on some board long ago. Supposedly the guy got mad strong and tore his lat and that was the end of that.
Wonder how it compares to methyltren if we're already comparing such things.
 
DMN is way weaker than methyl trienolone (mg for mg). People run 250-1000 mcg of methyltren while the rats in the study you linked were given 400-6400 mcg of DMN...
I think dmn was mentioned somewhere earlier here, looking for the thread.
 
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on..._bodybuilding_gear/methyltrienolone_just_damn

Here's the lat thing. Guess he just almost tore it. First post by the user ymir. Reports crazy strength gains on a diet, shortness of breath, high body temp, insomnia, hypertension, fat loss and cramps. All that at 40 ug per day.

Wonder how toxic it is (methyl tren becomes much less liver toxic if injected for example).

And I guess this thread contradicts your rat statement? Or maybe the doses don't scale linearly from humans to rats.

Still the actual weight isn't the only important thing, I mean oxy doses go to 200mg+ (for insane people anyway), but it does give lots of strength at that level. Ceiling matters to.
 
Some times I wish I was crazy enough do do one of these insane cycles, like trt lvl test, at least a 1g of tren, methyl tren (injectable if it truly saves your liver) and drol. Maybe dimethyl nandrolone instead of methy tren or both if we're going crazy. Along with lots of hgh.
 
Dimethylnandrolone is a generic term that could refer to any number of different nandrolone-derived steroids. It really only tells us that this is a nandrolone with two additional methyl groups. In this case, the exact DMN we're looking at is 7-alpha, 11-beta dimethylnandrolone. Steroidphiles will recognize that this steroid is very close in structure to MENT (7- alpha- methylnortestosterone)
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http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...designer-steroid-dimethyl-nandrolone-dmn.html
Maybe the guy who used 40 mcg used another "type" of dmn ? or...
The oral BA of dmn is very low, this is why some rats were given 6 mg of dmn while the dude injected 40 mcg and noticed strong sides.
 
Or it's just one of the differences in rat and human metabolism. Kinda like they get brain damage from dissociatives much easier. Who knows really.
 
Methyltrienolone is to fucking toxic to be used effectively IMO. The only thing more powerful than Methyltrienolone is Dimethyltrienolone. Anyways, if one is looking for steroid that gives Methyltrienolone effects I recommended Methyldienolone. It's a chemical cousin of Methyltrienolone but not anywhere close to as toxic. While not as potent as it's more toxic cousin, it still gives great gains in lean muscle, hardness, dryness, vascularity, and gives nice fat loss if your diet is on point. I ran it before and fell in love with the compound.

I have never tried Dimethylnandrolone but I will be trying Methylhydroxynadroloen come this winter when I bulk. I am curious now about Dimethylnadrolone and how it compares to Methylhydroxynadrolone.
 
crazycatman said:
Some times I wish I was crazy enough do do one of these insane cycles, like trt lvl test, at least a 1g of tren, methyl tren (injectable if it truly saves your liver) and drol. Maybe dimethyl nandrolone instead of methy tren or both if we're going crazy. Along with lots of hgh.
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Injecting a 17a steroid will do nothing to save your liver. All you do is avoid the first pass metabolism but eventually that compound goes to the liver to be metabolized and will put the same stress on the liver as taking it orally.

You don't just do these insane cycles because you are crazy or because you can. You work your way up to larger stacks and dosages as you get bigger. You also just don't jump on Anadrol. If you body fat is too high you will look like bloated shit. Anadrol is what you use to blow up lean. You work your way up to HGH as well. I'm not anywhere near close to need HGH yet.

You jump on a pro level stack with pro level dosages with very little steroid experience you will be wasting lots of cash because you will burn yourself out. I have seen it done countless times.

There was a poster on another bodybuilding board where I have achieved a prestigious title. He had no steroid experience. He had no clue how to eat or diet right. He had no discipline. He trained like shit. Well, he decided to jump on 1g of Tren A week along with every oral he could get his hands on, tossed in some Test, EQ, DNP, Clenbuterol, T3, everything and anything he could get he ran at high dosages. He was on more gear than some of the advanced bodybuilders. This went on for 8 months before his body and mind said fuck it. He came down with jaundice and his liver begin to fail, his hormone levels were fucked, he was an emotional roller coaster, and his physique at the end of his run could of been built without steroids. He was banned because we all told him so but he didn't listen.
 
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>Injecting a 17a steroid will do nothing to save your liver.
There's one thing that might make a difference. If you eat it it hits your liver at a much bigger dose than if you inject it and it's then eventually circulated through the liver.
Does that make enough of a difference for the really toxic ones? Who knows. And with the more normal ones I personally worry more about the changes in lipids they cause then in the liver enzyme elevations.

>Methyltrienolone is to fucking toxic to be used effectively IMO.
Idk, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but some people have used it and posted blood work after and their liver values weren't that critical. Above normal? Yes. You need a transplant as soon as possible? No. Then there is that one guy who did stupid doses (I think he went to 8mg per day) and died of a blood clot. I'll try finding the log tomorrow if they haven't deleted it yet.

>Methyldienolone and Methylhydroxynadrolone
Interesting stuff, skimmed through for info on it and will read more thoroughly tomorrow (it's 3 am here really gotta sleep)
 
crazycatman said:
>Injecting a 17a steroid will do nothing to save your liver.
There's one thing that might make a difference. If you eat it it hits your liver at a much bigger dose than if you inject it and it's then eventually circulated through the liver.
Does that make enough of a difference for the really toxic ones? Who knows. And with the more normal ones I personally worry more about the changes in lipids they cause then in the liver enzyme elevations.
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It hits the liver the same way. All injecting does is bypass the first pass metabolism. In theory that would technically make injecting a 17a oral more potent and thus more toxic but that isn't the case. Be 20mg of a 17a oral injected or taken orally, it still get metabolized by the liver and is still 20mg. The one big plus about injectable orals is that often times people's stomach are sensitive to orals or a bodybuilder might be taking a stack of many orals which would make for additional stomach discomfort. Injecting orals eliminates all stomach issues.

crazycatman said:
>Methyltrienolone is to fucking toxic to be used effectively IMO.
Idk, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but some people have used it and posted blood work after and their liver values weren't that critical. Above normal? Yes. You need a transplant as soon as possible? No. Then there is that one guy who did stupid doses (I think he went to 8mg per day) and died of a blood clot. I'll try finding the log tomorrow if they haven't deleted it yet.
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They very well might have been using low quality Methyltrienolone. The stuff is so potent it's active in the micrograms and is actually quite expensive. People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (relatively) safe, and (roughly) as effective as 150-225mgs of Trenbolone Acetate. It notorious among bodybuilders as being the most toxic oral and as such many bodybuilders don't use it because there are better alternatives. However, if you happen to be an amateur bodybuilder who is only a point or so away from his pro card a steroid like Methyltreniolone a few weeks before show time can be a game changer and will make or break how you do on stage. I would never use the stuff only because I enjoy using other orals at high dosages and in moderate stacks.

A blood clot from Methyltreniolone? Interesting. I would love to to read the log if you can scrounge it up. Methyltreniolone is a fascinating compound.
 
This is the most I could find regarding his death - http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/414141-methyltrienolone.html maybe you'll heve better luck.

Either my google skills righ now suck or they deleted the original thread. Maybe you'll have more luck finding it. And maybe it didn't directly cause it just make his heart work harder so a clot was inevitable. Unfortunately for him it happened in his heart.


And regarding the liver and toxicity... I believe that it's less bad for it to be exposed to constant low levels of MT than a few huge ones, because a constant low level may never actually exceed it's ability to repair while a huge level will. Then you have a liver repairing itself, during witch it's probably more vulnerable to additional damage and you take another pill. There's another possible benefit to injectable orals. You know how all steroids but especially orals are bad for cholesterol (amongst other places made in the liver). There is some speculation that androgen levels in the liver control it's cholesterol production and again eating them will cause a big rise in androgen levels in the liver. Injecting will cause a more even rise.

Still without proper studies (which aren't going to get funded or approved) it's all conjecture.
 
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