AMT + MDMA + Ketamine -- First Time Combo -- My trip from Hell!!

[JennEX]

AMT/E/Ketamine -- First Time Combo -- My trip from Hell!!

I'm normally more responsible than this. But I guess I was on a mission that night. I've recently cut back to 1x a month, so those weekends get crazy lately. Not smart of me at all!!
Friday 130am Take Cherry Bomb at the club, decent pill (not super fantastik)
3am Leave club for a chill after party at a close friends house.
4am Take another pill, don't remember what kind but it was better than the last.
6am Take a healthy rail of Ketaset (the strong stuff)
7:30 am AMT is going around, two close friends snort it. It's explained to me as similar to 2CB's like a severe Hippy Flip. (shrooms & E)
8am I decide to take the plunge, it was free. I don't know how many miligrams I took, bad jenn...
815am Both of the other kids that took it are now power puking in both bathrooms. Strangely enough they are having the time of their lives. This goes on for hours and continues on and off all day. I'm now scared, but hold it together. Hours pass I don't feel a thing. One girl explains she took a pill 1 hour before the AMT, she is tripping nuts, can't make full sentences. And continues to laugh although it's like an hysterical laugh, and yells help every 5 min. We are now circled around her and there are 7 people trying to fix her trip. None of us know what to expect. The guy we got it from is long gone. Me and the other guy that took it are sent away from her in fear that she will pull down our trip. Way too late...
12 (noon) I still dont' feel a thing and the others are both pulled into this hole they fell into. So I smoked some pot, not alot like 2 bong hits. That sets off my trip. Immediately I'm pulled down with them. I can't walk, I crawl everywhere. I can't pee, I want only soda, water tastes horrible, I can't make sense of it. I feel like I'm loosing it, my reality is totally gone. I get a huge body buzz. Anytime someone touched me, I felt like I'm rolling, when they let go my trip kicks in again, hard. I can't realy talk, so I'm crawling around with a binky and a soda, saying things like Blue, Shell, Help, Dinosaur, Bubbles, Bob, No. I'm 26 years old, and I look like I'm 2. The others and I can communicate, but not to anyone who didn't take it. Somehow, we make sense to eachother but we're completely cut off from the rest of the world.
I am this screwed up for 16 hours, the guy 19 hours, and the other girl 21 hours (she went home and commited herself to rehab)
I got visuals up to 4 full days later. I'm convinced I did perm. brain damage. I'm terrified to do anything like it agian. Was it just the environment? Did I hurt myself? I later heard using it with E is harmfull. Can someone give me a trustworthy web site for the lowdown? HELP.
Things are okay now, but I'm turned off to the whole scene. Although I'm sure that will wear off in about 1 month.
[ 17 August 2002: Message edited by: JennEX ]
[Changed title from "AMT was my trip from Hell!!" to comply with forum guidelines]
[ 18 August 2002: Message edited by: Splatt ]

 

[Splatt]

I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but thank you for posting and welcome to Bluelight.
It is quite unlikely you gave yourself brain damage, but AMT is a research chemical, which means its effects are not even close to being fully understood.
About AMT + E combo, years ago people were saying it was dangerous because of AMT's MAOI properties. since then it has been found out AMT is a VERY weak MAOI, so I doubt there is much damage to be done, but.. I myself wouldn't mix these two drugs just to be safe..
So there are no lingering effects any more?
One last thing, at the time, how experienced were you with MDMA, Ketamine and AMT?
[ 17 August 2002: Message edited by: Splatt ]

 

[Murple]

> AMT is going around, two close friends snort
> it. It's explained to me as similar to 2CB's
> like a severe Hippy Flip. (shrooms & E)
Your friends are fucking idiots. Please tell thim this as soon as possible, and tell them repeatedly. AMT is nothing like a "Hippy Flip" or like 2CB. It is also an experimental drug and giving it out to people who aren't fully educated about the risks involved with experimental drugs is extremely unethical and dangerous. Its like performing medical experiments on people without their consent. I assume your friends probably aren't really aware of these risks themselves, they probably think AMT is just some gr00vy kewl new legal trip. You should tell them to do some reading and realize that they are fucking with an experimental drug and essentially using themselves as guinea pigs for drugs with totally unknown dangers. If they're comfortable with that, great... but I think many people playing with these experimentals don't have any clue what they're getting into. If they DO understand the implications of taking an experimental drug, and they gave it to you anyway with nothing more than comments like "its like 2C-B or a hippy flip" then these people are NOT your friends.
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> About AMT + E combo, years ago people were saying
> it was dangerous because of AMT's MAOI properties.
> since then it has been found out AMT is a VERY
> weak MAOI, so I doubt there is much damage to be
> done, but.
1) To my knowledge, there is no real data on how strong of an MAOI it is... AMT is an MAOI, but how weak or strong, who knows. It probably is quite weak, but this is just theoretical.
2) Even if it is strong, there is nothing inherently wrong with mixing MAOIs with MDMA. Its more complex than that. Mixing some MAOIs with MDMA can be very risky, while others are probably quite safe. AMT's MAOI properties are probably similar to harmine and harmaline, meaning that if you keep the doses reasonable, it's probably pretty safe. Of course, mixing an experimental psychedelic drug with MDMA probably isn't the smartest thing to do for other reasons besides MAOI risks.
There is some really amazing misinformation when it comes to MAOIs. Misconceptions and misunderstandings seem to be the norm.

 

[JennEX]

I've been partying for abou 4 years, my experiance with club drugs, like E, K, GHB, Acid is pretty extensive. I'm pretty good with my limits, it usually takes more for me to have the same effects as everyone else. But I'm very sensitive to Acid, I've never exceeded 1 hit on purpose. Usually that's more than enough.
No I think the random visuals are finally gone. I'd like to try it again, with a better trip buddy, one I know will hold it together. But I'm worried that the first time will taint any further efforts.
Thanks for the help

 

[sonar]

I had a similar bad experience, my trip report is somewhere around here. Anyways, I still to this day have very minor visual\auditory hallucinations (ie phones ringing, people talking, light disturbances). Howevever, during my one year drug stinge I did way too many drugs, in large amounts to be able to narrow it down to one.

I can't realy talk, so I'm crawling around with a binky and a soda, saying things like Blue, Shell, Help, Dinosaur, Bubbles, Bob, No. I'm 26 years old, and I look like I'm 2. The others and I can communicate, but not to anyone who didn't take it. Somehow, we make sense to eachother but we're completely cut off from the rest of the world.
That sounds a lot like mine, I would be bluring out random stupid things that would just pop into my head. Seriously, it really seems to make you almost 'retarded' for some period of time. Did you ever get the feeling your were really dirty? I kept feeling extremely dirty and I would look at my hands and they would be almost muddy w/ dirt (even though they werent). I can't seem to find my trip here on BL, but its on erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php3?ID=14531

 

[junglist 3000]

Thanks for sharing althouh it wasnt a good experiance....but hopefully u'll learn to be more careful in the future with unknown substances....
In nearly every trip report ive read about AMT, ppl comment about feeling like they are 2(ish) years old... quite interesting

 

[spiralmind]

You should never take a research chemical without knowing the exact dosage. The common dosage is around 30 mg, and that alone gives you pretty intense trip.

 

[Splatt]

JennEX: Thanks for the update I forgot to ask before, was this AMT experience a first time combo with E/K ? Just collecting some info so I can edit the topic to fit the forum guidelines. Thanks.
Murple: Thanks for the info. I was also thinking I would not mix MDMA with AMT not just because of MAOI risks, but becaise like you said, its experimental, you could be taking 100 other rsiks for all we know.
sonar: It's right here: http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=000807

[ 18 August 2002: Message edited by: Splatt ]

 

[JennEX]

Sonar, I read your trip report. You win, yours was much worse.
[They kept yelling at me to settle down and relax. This just started to freak me out more.]
Hint to all, do not tell someone who's tripping they will be okay, or to settle down. Everytime someone said this, I would think "why are they saying this, Am I not okay now, am I freaking out? It would send me into a huge paranoia. Tell them they ARE okay, they're acting normal, not unusual at all. It will settle them down more.
Splatt, This was my first experiance with AMT. I've combined everything else before, I usually know what I can do.
This day I did have a trip babysitter, who was an expert at fixing trips. He knew when I needed help, and was there to tell me what was happening in my mind, and how to fix it. But I kept loosing control, once I broke down into tears, and balled. By the way did I say I SNORTED it. My friends have this thing about snorting everything, and we didn't have capsules. I really thought that was how you did it. Thanks for all the help, I feel better...

 

[emkee]

thanx for the report. i will keep that hint in my mind (about people in a trip), because it does resemble a normal reaction to the situation. but doesn t necessarely have to be the right one.
one question would touchin or holding from out the right mindframe have caused anymore negativ spiraling down trips. or should just reassuring that person he/she is oke and normal be enough.