Stimulants Amphetamine Sulphate seems to lose potency when dried.

[Phobos]

As the title says, why do I get the impression that if Amphetamine Sulphate/UK speed is allowed to dry it becomes less potent?
I know that the Amphetamine salt is not evaporating, but could it be that something else is happening that affects the potency?
IE maybe it gets absorbed a bit slower?

Fully aware that maybe it's all in my head and down to tolerance, but I am convinced that even after a tolerance break, if I dry the paste out it feels weaker compared to the same batch kept wet.
I did divide a couple of batches in 2 bags and dried one and left the other wet, and both times I would reliably feel that dosing the same amount the effects were different.

 

[CFC]

Well, free amphetamine (pure) is volatile at room temperatures (will evaporate). It's possible your goo-ey paste isn't well made and some percentage isn't salted, and that's what you're losing when you dry it out.

 

[G_Chem]

I’d guess it’s similar to why the old peanut butter meth used to give such a fat rush. There seems to be something going on with residual solvents. I’ve heard folks say that once meth is cleaned of residual solvents it loses the firey kick it once had especially IV.

Not sure if it’s true… I suppose some residual base could be another option. That is a low possibility though given how most chemists salt their amps.

It’s hard to say really. Maybe something happening chemically too. Maybe residual formylamphetamine is converting to Amphetamine.

-GC

 

[fastandbulbous]

The 'firery kick' is what I've always put down to impurities, as amphetamine that has been washed with acetone, from sticky, is quite smooth, in my opinion. Like thinking moonshine/poteen is stronger than equivalent strength pure ethanol. It's not, just it has more impurities in it.

 

[Higherfocus420]

I've noticed this with UK amphetamine sulphate paste I use to like to dry it so I could sniff it but I notice it becomes significantly less potent

 

[fastandbulbous]

I've noticed this with UK amphetamine sulphate paste I use to like to dry it so I could sniff it but I notice it becomes significantly less potent

Of course, removing the water also alters the amount you have (or think you have), to play with. When dodgy fuckers started adding water and calling it base/paste, was when I decided enough was enough.

 

[CFC]

The 'firery kick' is what I've always put down to impurities, as amphetamine that has been washed with acetone, from sticky, is quite smooth, in my opinion. Like thinking moonshine/poteen is stronger than equivalent strength pure ethanol. It's not, just it has more impurities in it.

Same with meth. I used to meticulously wash and recrystallize the stuff to a very high level of purity and people would then complain about how smooth and boring it was and would want their dirty stinking smog clouds of impurity back.

 

[Ismene2]

If you actually need work done I recomend a psychedelic amphet like DOM/STP

 

[benson7]

Just take Meth?

 

[fastandbulbous]

Gave my last doses of DOM to a mate who'd never had it before. Despite horror stories from the US, in 1967, it is one of the most amazing psychedelics I've ever had (especially after eating over 10mg each, with B9!). No other psychedelic has made me cry with the beauty of colours it caused...

 

[G_Chem]

Gave my last doses of DOM to a mate who'd never had it before. Despite horror stories from the US, in 1967, it is one of the most amazing psychedelics I've ever had (especially after eating over 10mg each, with B9!). No other psychedelic has made me cry with the beauty of colours it caused...

That’s respectable to give away the last doses of a drug that gave you such amazing experiences.

-GC

 

[fastandbulbous]

That’s respectable to give away the last doses of a drug that gave you such amazing experiences.

-GC

Well some asked, only to get a less than happy response. I was only ever going to give it to a very, very good friend...

 

[Phobos]

Ok, good to know that other people have had similar experiences.

 

[fastandbulbous]

That’s respectable to give away the last doses of a drug that gave you such amazing experiences.

-GC

Isn't that what the whole ethos surrounding psychedelics, is about? Spread the joy - I only wish I had enough money to be able to hire an aircraft and drop doses of psychedelics over a festival (like the mad fuckers/heroes did with Orange Sunshine acid (ALD-52), in the late 60s).
No one should ever have to pay for a class of drugs that can trigger huge improvements in their life (not just short term, but real lifelong changes). Nature tries it's best, but if we are the pinnacle of evolution, on Earth, we should be helping...

 

[4meSM]

Well I personally haven’t noticed it getting weaker after drying. Do you apply some kind of heating or just let it dry at room temperature? And what ROA are you using? My speed always ended up being more potent after an acetone wash (as expected), but I also like clean drugs.

That being said, washing speed will usually remove most of the caffeine (very common cut) which will alter the nature of the high.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Well I personally haven’t noticed it getting weaker after drying. Do you apply some kind of heating or just let it dry at room temperature? And what ROA are you using? My speed always ended up being more potent after an acetone wash (as expected), but I also like clean drugs.

That being said, washing speed will usually remove most of the caffeine (very common cut) which will alter the nature of the high.

Yeah, take smaller amount of clean stuff, but consider how much is lost, in cleaning.
The only thing that would destroy amphetamine sulphate, in the normal course of affairs, is pyrolysis (heating to point of destruction). Not everyonehas access to extreme chemicals, like perchloric acid...

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

As the title says, why do I get the impression that if Amphetamine Sulphate/UK speed is allowed to dry it becomes less potent?
I know that the Amphetamine salt is not evaporating, but could it be that something else is happening that affects the potency?
IE maybe it gets absorbed a bit slower?

Fully aware that maybe it's all in my head and down to tolerance, but I am convinced that even after a tolerance break, if I dry the paste out it feels weaker compared to the same batch kept wet.
I did divide a couple of batches in 2 bags and dried one and left the other wet, and both times I would reliably feel that dosing the same amount the effects were different.

I've been saying this for fuckin years mate - ever since that godawful paste became a thing sometime in the early 90s.

My preferred ROA was intranasally and when that wet shit became the norm, it pissed me right off having to take it orally. Other people said "just dry it out and you can snort it".

Tried that, it was shit.

It seemed as though any potency was held in the vile smelling yellow liquid that the inert filler material was swimming in.

This led me to the conclusion that lazy chemists were soaking glucose or baby formula or caffeine powder in freebase oil and marketing it as 'base'.

I've been shot down with this hypothesis many times, but I still have my suspicions.


Having said that, not all paste is shit. I've had some very good stuff, but it still gets worse when it's dry.



I miss the days of chopping up a line of dry Sulphate instead of struggling with a lump of foul smelling snot.

 

[fastandbulbous]

I've been saying this for fuckin years mate - ever since that godawful paste became a thing sometime in the early 90s.

My preferred ROA was intranasally and when that wet shit became the norm, it pissed me right off having to take it orally. Other people said "just dry it out and you can snort it".

Tried that, it was shit.

It seemed as though any potency was held in the vile smelling yellow liquid that the inert filler material was swimming in.

This led me to the conclusion that lazy chemists were soaking glucose or baby formula or caffeine powder in freebase oil and marketing it as 'base'.

I've been shot down with this hypothesis many times, but I still have my suspicions.


Having said that, not all paste is shit. I've had some very good stuff, but it still gets worse when it's dry.



I miss the days of chopping up a line of dry Sulphate instead of struggling with a lump of foul smelling snot.

Always wondered if that was due to N-formylamphetamine, from the Leukhart synth method (most common synthetic route). Body removes formyl group (making things more polar makes them easier to excrete via the kidneys), bit like Vyanase, but the bit broken off is formic acid - probably why it felt so toxic.

 

[Phobos]

Well I personally haven’t noticed it getting weaker after drying. Do you apply some kind of heating or just let it dry at room temperature? And what ROA are you using? My speed always ended up being more potent after an acetone wash (as expected), but I also like clean drugs.

That being said, washing speed will usually remove most of the caffeine (very common cut) which will alter the nature of the high.

Just leaving the bag open at room temp.
Insufflation or oral is what I do, and acetone washes yield basically the same weight of pre wash (I lose about 2% to 5% basically what gets lost in the filter and on the containers used) , dried powder and the same effects and potency as well.
Not that I think that my speed is pure, it's just that whoever cuts it uses something that is insoluble in acetone.

Having said that, not all paste is shit. I've had some very good stuff, but it still gets worse when it's dry.

I miss the days of chopping up a line of dry Sulphate instead of struggling with a lump of foul smelling snot.

The only speed I've had that didn't loose potency was the mighty "Polish Pink" which was never really wet, just clumpy, and actually turned very pink when fully dried and kept the same potency.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Just leaving the bag open at room temp.
Insufflation or oral is what I do, and acetone washes yield basically the same weight of pre wash (I lose about 2% to 5% basically what gets lost in the filter and on the containers used) , dried powder and the same effects and potency as well.
Not that I think that my speed is pure, it's just that whoever cuts it uses something that is insoluble in acetone.

The only speed I've had that didn't loose potency was the mighty "Polish Pink" which was never really wet, just clumpy, and actually turned very pink when fully dried and kept the same potency.

I think that was because they used methyl red, as an indicator for correct pH. The pinkness became almost like a trademark (just meant putting way more methyl red than usual). Of course fake ones appeared and it stopped turning up