Almost feels like im losing my mind

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I posted a while ago about continued depression swim was getting post-mdma use,
I did some bad mdma pills about a month ago and am still expereincing depression as well as huge anxiety, and D/P & D/R which is really freaking me out.

I've been smoking weed and drinking during the past month, and I gave in and drank last night and today the anxiety was hell.

I've been told it could take a year for this to go away, and I will have to go a year without using any drugs if I want to recover. I don't know how I could go without weed for that long.

I don't know how I'm gonna keep doing this.
Anyone been through something simaler?

I suffer from ADD, OCD and social anxiety, and usually live a happy life, I can live with those disorders. But this constant depression/anxiety and wierd perception with the D/P is like nothing I've ever experienced before, it's a living hell. I look in the mirror and I'm like "whaat.."
I can't focus for shiiz.

It's kind of feels like I'm in a dream.
I'll talk to someone and notice a head, back, mouth, arms instead of observing them as a person.
I feel like I'm stuck in the present moment too. It's a weird thing to explain.

But I'm still functioning and behaving normally.
 
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When you are suffering from mental issues, the best way to work through them is to limit your drug/alcohol use as much as possible.
Getting to the root of the problem.
It sounds as if you could use a good long break to clear your head and gain a little more control.

Please keep us updated on what you do and how things are going for you <3
 
Hey Mr. Buddha,

Hang in there bro. The first month is the WORST.
The second month still sucked for me, but at least I could eat food and I started exercising.
The third month was much better. I started to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm now at 5 and a half months.
I still don't feel quite normal, but the massive anxiety is under control. Now it feels like the anxiety is just blended into the background all the time. It takes a solid week of it before it really starts to bother me at all.

I had the same problem looking into the mirror, mostly in the first month and a half. My vision was still off until about 4 months, but the feeling of not recognizing myself in the mirror seemed to go away first. I felt like it wasn't my face. My eyes looked terrible, from the anxiety and over-sleeping. Not just that - I didn't feel myself looking back! The 'central governor', the core of my being, was not inside the eyes I saw! Terrifying.

It also felt like my eyes were 'set back' in my skull. Everything I perceived was slightly distant, slightly dull, and almost like it was on a movie screen. When I looked in the mirror I felt like a 90 yr. old man trapped in a young body. It was horrible! Nobody can understand this unless they go through it themselves.

The DpDr is the emotional/surreal side of things. The HPPD is the actual modification to your vision and spatial perception. The likely reason for it is this: when your serotonin levels drop, they are dropping FAR. You also have to remember that your ability to re-synthesize more serotonin is disabled right now. You may not even start making more for another month! So your visual cortex, which is in the back of your head (occipital lobe) is UP-regulating its serotonin receptors in response to this shortage.

I think this is a protective measure. Did you know that serotonin has a BIG effect on blood flow in the brain? Your visual cortex is trying to maintain its blood flow, that's all. The good news is this: as your body starts to build more serotonin, these receptors will down-regulate. It will be a slow process, but if you pay close attention you will be able to feel it. I'm not joking - I would force myself to focus on something about 4 feet away. Sometimes my face in the mirror was the best thing. No matter how unreal it felt, if I forced my eyes to focus, it would make my head buzz after a few minutes. This buzzing started to feel like it was fixing my vision over time. Between months 2-4 my vision slowly normalized. It was reassuring about my recovery in general...

Each week ask yourself if you have noticed any improvement in the HPPD. I promise it will get better.

The anxiety will get better too, but it will likely take longer than the vision to correct itself.

You should be avoiding things that quickly increase serotonin in the brain. Things like carbohydrates, tryptophan or 5-htp, or smoking weed...

You do not just have a shortage of serotonin right now, you have a shortage of storage space. You must allow your brain to up-regulate its receptors SLOWLY.

Yes, you have to stop smoking. You will feel much better if you do.

Drinking beer seems to be ok. It was always relaxing - no increase in anxiety. Just don't over do it. I suggest 3-4 beers per night max. No slamming shots, either.

Opiates were still nice. Just don't overdo them because coming off of them after more than two days of use REALLY sucked.

If you INSIST on still smoking weed, I STRONGLY suggest you exercise first. It will not only decrease your anxiety from smoking, but it improves the high. Even then, I still don't smoke often. It is best used sparingly until your recovery is over. Trust me, bro. If you quit and let your tolerance go away, then smoke again - holy shit. You will feel the mind-bending effects of weed induced serotonin rush. You will understand without a doubt that it is not helping your recovery.

Don't worry, you will smoke again one day in the distant future. This is the best time in your whole life to learn that living sober is OK. It will not suck that much, especially since life already sucks for you. You will feel better.

It is strange that despite the modification to your senses, despite life not feeling real, and anxiety constantly gnawing at you - that you can still function. You can still 'be yourself' at least between panic attacks.

Even long term heavy users seem to function like normal people after their recovery, sometimes with 'modest' cognitive alterations.

You are going to make it through. But it WILL take longer than you want it to.

What you don't understand right now is that the emotional stress this is putting on you gets better while it is going on. Don't freak out about it taking a year. I PROMISE it will not feel nearly this bad the whole time.

Think of it like rising to the surface of a deep pool of water. Right now the light at the surface is so distant. You are also feeling all the pressure of the water above you. It's pushing down on you constantly. But as you rise, you will slowly feel less pressure and see more light.

You are going to learn the true meaning of patience, too. You will understand it better than anyone else you know.

The increased blood flow is region specific in your brain. It will feel really weird for a while. But research shows that this change in cerebral bloodflow will eventually even out. That means the head-pressure will stop.

Learn to recognize this head-pressure as a sign of the healing process. It is tied to your anxiety right now, so it is hard to focus on. But as your anxiety tapers down, you will be able to feel the weird pressure in your head. It moves around too. From week to week I would notice the buzzing and pressure was in different spots.

The anxiety is definitely the worst. All I could do was obsess over whether or not this was permanent. Now I mainly just feel mild depression.

Once again, exercise. It is a life saver. I promise.
You may have to force yourself, but if you do you will get a NICE vacation from anxiety.

Also, get the fish oil and supplements.
Vit C and tumeric extract are great anti-inflammatory agents.
Piracetam and choline will make you feel normal again. Just remember that it is not permanent. You are still healing and it will take time.

Eat healthy. Lots of protein and fruits/veggies. Very little carbs.
Oh yeah, and exercise. =D

Good luck Mr. Buddha.
You are going to be OK.
 
Thanks for the thought-out reply FBC.
It is funny you mention not taking 5htp, because 2 weeks ago, when I was mainly having the depression symptoms, I took a bunch of 5htp, with vitamin b6, and it gave me an incredible lift from the depression for a few hours, but after that I had really horrible anxiety and the first huge D/R rush that lasted about 2 hours and then faded into depression.
I am going to try as hard as I can not to smoke weed, maybe once a week?
Would weed make these symptoms longer? or worse?
I just don't want any more damage done, but I like weed as a coping tool.
Thanks!
 
The B-vitamin is likely responsible for the lift.
I take 'sublingual' B-vitamins and they often make me feel better.

It is a liquid that you are supposed to hold under your tongue for 30 seconds. It works better than a pill because B-vitamins are often destroyed in the stomach.
Give the liquid a try.

The 5-htp is helpful to those who rolled, but NOT those who got brain-fucked from their roll. I have heard many negative comments about it from others in recovery, and I didn't like the way it made me feel either.

Smoking once a week would be a great improvement.
It will also show you how it is truly affecting you. I meant what I said - once your tolerance drops....you may not like the high you get from smoking anymore. The high is way different for me, even at 5 and a half months. Some days it is lots of fun, but some days I wish I hadn't smoked. Regardless of which day it is, it never feels the same as it used to.

Weed acts primarily on your GABA receptors. But it also increases serotonin in the brain. I believe smoking weed will speed up something that should not be sped up. The recovery is supposed to take time, so there is no benefit to throwing a bunch of extra serotonin into your brain just because you think you might get stoned.

Weed is NOT the right coping tool anymore. Your brain is telling you this, you just need to listen.

I offered you two good suggestions that will not raise serotonin in the brain. Opiates and alcohol. Neither will cause anxiety. Not unless you abuse them, in which case you will pay for it the next day.

I do not mean to discourage you, in fact I am very glad to hear you plan to reduce your smoking. This is a great idea.
If you have been a regular smoker for a long time, you should expect a withdrawal from the weed, too.
It may take several days to kick in, but the GABA receptors that you have been abusing have suppressed the Glutamate in your brain. Once the Glutamate starts firing again, its going to be intense. Some people have severe anxiety and anger when this is happening. I have read that seroquel is great for marijuana withdrawal.

Once you get past the lingering effects of the weed, you will feel much better on a daily basis. You will find that your anxiety feels different.

Smoke sparingly if you must.

Good luck Mr. Buddha.
Hang in there. Remember, this recovery is protracted!
That means it doesn't stop! It just goes on and on and on .....and on and on....and on....oh and yes....its still going...

Regardless of how complete or incomplete the recovery is, it doesn't stop. It continues over a LONG time period.
This means you will continue to feel more and more normal until one day you won't think about it anymore.

Keep looking for my posts, and you may see a report in the next few months where I claim to feel normal again!
 
I was told that even once these side effects go away and I feel normal again, if I smoked weed I could give me a relapse back into the side effects, and I would have to deal with all that anxiety and depression again, I was told I should wait a year before I smoke weed again.
Does that have any truth to it?
I like weed way too much to take a year off.

edit: P.S. The depression is really clearing up, I guess it has just moved on to the anxiety/dissociative stage, also my body feels really sensitive lately, for some reason, but even the anxiety was down a lot today. I think a lot of that is because I was really hungover yesterday which accelerated everything like x5
Hopefully this keeps up.
 
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DP/DR. Ive been through it and things get weird. You look at the things/objects around you and think what the fuck.

How old are you? I feel like these are more states than disorders. For me, my experience went hand and hand with the development of my world view and how I perceive things. It changed me, for the better. I think its part of growing up. Especially in this crazy world.
 
DP/DR. Ive been through it and things get weird. You look at the things/objects around you and think what the fuck.

How old are you? I feel like these are more states than disorders. For me, my experience went hand and hand with the development of my world view and how I perceive things. It changed me, for the better. I think its part of growing up. Especially in this crazy world.


For privacy reasons im just gonna say im in my teens.

But yea, back when I was 13 i had d/r and d/p, the first time i smoked weed, and months after, even though i wasnt smoking it. It went away after a while.
 
Also, my pupils keep getting really huge every day at random times, even though im not high on anything, and my body gets really sensitive, it comes with a bunch of anxiety.
Is that unnatural?


This anxiety stage is way freakier than the depression stage. Everything feels really uncomfortable, big pupils, fast heart rate, cant sleep, stimulated..
almost feels like trying to go to sleep the night of an e trip, comingdown.
 
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FBC, awesome post!! One of the best I've seen, and resonates with the experience I had over a decade ago, after a run of bad pills.

Wonderful.
 
It's kind of feels like I'm in a dream.
I'll talk to someone and notice a head, back, mouth, arms instead of observing them as a person.
I feel like I'm stuck in the present moment too. It's a weird thing to explain.

But I'm still functioning and behaving normally.

Some people would describe this as a spiritual experience, and maybe a truer perception than what you were used to previously. Meditation is always a good thing to try.

Abnormality is just a concept.
 
"I have read that seroquel is great for marijuana withdrawal."
FBC

wait wait a second....

let me ask you or whom ever reading: i while having a negative reaction to seroquel, could only find reality and my self not walking on my tip-toes(horror awful-under explaining here NMS?!?) the only times i would come to, during a 3 day stretch, was when -- i would figure out what a joint was and to then smoke a couple :|

this happened with another neuroleptic around the same time.
3 days of[ ? ]

with an understanding of ones endo-cannibinoid-system this makes sense,, heh, but, seeing Seroquel mentioned specifically sparks that curiosity again.


so, how;-) if you know - does seroquel counter act the effects(direct or indirect) of THC succession in our mindsbody?

i personally know several people with similar relative questions...


TnA
have a nice day

:D
 
i could write a whole page on dp/dr what u shuld do, how it works, etc...


main things
1. its goes away
2. it goes away
3. it goes away.
4. stop thinking about it
5. is drugs more important that ur well-being? if being off of drugs so long is ur biggest concern, then u have a problem.
6. go to a CBT therapist.
7. dont take benzos, deal with it urself head on
8. dont go to doctors or people for reassurance that ur not going crazy and asking if it will go away. the more u give it attention, ask for reassurance, the more anxious you are and the more its on ur mind.

i have it its been a year about, started with a weed experience, even tho i smoked eveyrday for 7 months. but its from underlying anxiety, depression basically. it hasnt gone away cuz i feel like u need to be clean and deal with and fix ur problems for it to go away quicker. ive heard people smoke and stuff and recovery as well, but i dont think thats the best idea. ive been clean for 5 weeks now and i feel better each day.

p.s. my pshyc teacher told me he had the SAME exact thing i did my age. he smoked a ton of weed he said and got DP from it cuz of udnerlying anixiety and depression and had it for about 2 years and it went away. dont think its gonna last for every or years for you. thousands of people right now have it and thoughts DID HAVE IT (past tense) its goes away, it wont ruin ur life unless you let it, and u can smoke when its gone and do whatever else, just be carful.


Ur best bet is going to CBT THERAPIST. fuck phsycs. they never helped me
 
I really think these things are transformative and reshape us to some degree. When I came out of my time dealing with these things I had a much clearer picture painted for me.
 
Actually , you and me are a lot a like, I have debilitating OCD when it's not taken care of with meds, and horrible depression from stimulant abuse (For months I was shooting like a gram at least every other day of coke.)

I also have some good news, Since I have been sober before, I find that the paws for opiates and stimulants were just a little different. In fact I think the coke cravings never ceased to jump on my back, and when I relapsed I bout a fifty bag of coke and three bundles. however in the time I was clean the depression really DID go away after about six months or 7 but with everyone it's different. There's obviously a lot of ups and downs in sobriety and sometimes you want to use so bad that you'd want to just be shot dead, but that is rare after the 6 month mark, then it's just craving popping up still a lot,definately for me more than 20 x's a day, but that's also Because I am an I.V . addict, and have the addiction to the ritual too, (as I said I'm OCD and I love the process of putting your boy or girl in the spoon (or both preferabley!) heating drawing up and banging)

Anyway stay strong, you'll make it, the weed might not be helping you though as far as depression goes. and drinking is probably even worse. You should take up some new hobbies or something.
 
I really think these things are transformative and reshape us to some degree. When I came out of my time dealing with these things I had a much clearer picture painted for me.


Right? I am still growing, and me from a year ago before I got DP and now, when i feel its going away soon... ive grown so much. learned so much. its really an experience that sucks dick, but at the same time u learn all the things u have to fix in ur life and about yourself, and become a stronger person. I've definitely transformed so much... i still am, only thing i just wish i could do was blaze up again.. but ill have to wait.

How long was it till you recovered? was ur from bud too? Just like asking stuff like that and what peoples methods of going about of recovering was
 
Cyc,

Thanks for the feedback.
It is my hope to elucidate this experience in ways others have failed to do.

When I began my recovery, I was shocked and angered by the astounding lack of detailed information (anecdotal) on the recovery process.

I decided that this made me responsible for providing the insight to others. I have not posted enough to reach bluelighter status, but I think you will find the posts I have made to be above average.

Mr. Panic,

Interesting use of language.

I will provide my source...

Healing the Addicted Brain: The Revolutionary, Science-Based Alcoholism and ...
By Harold Urschel, Harold C. Urschel, III M.D.

I found this at Barnes and Nobles, but you can also view it on Google books.

Pg. 91 is the relevant page...

"There are no medicines approved scientifically to treat marijuana dependence. However, I have had success with a medicine called Seroquel (generic name quetiapine). Seroquel is an antipsychotic medication used to treat schizophrenia, and to a lesser degree, bipolar disorder. In low doses, it is also a very effective antianxiety and anticraving medication. I sometimes encourage my patients to use a pill cutter to quarter a 25 mg dose tablet of Seroquel, giving them four pills of approximately 6.25 mg each. These small doses can be very effective in treating marijuana cravings."

This is merely anecdotal evidence that it works, rather than an explanation on why. Elsewhere in the book, you can find the doctor's description of the GABA/glutamate interaction.

At the dose recommended, Seroquel would function primarily as a histamine blocker. A mild effect...

In higher doses, Seroquel becomes an antagonist of serotonin, dopamine, and adrengenic receptors.

Higher doses like these (200mg plus per day) are common in treatment of psychotic symptoms or schizophrenia.
A common side-effect is somnolence.

This might explain your altered state while under the influence. You may have been in a state of partial or near sleep.
It would make sense that smoking weed (a couple joints is a high dose) might increase serotonin and dopamine activity in regions of the brain where there was reduction.
Or perhaps you simply had too much adrenaline coursing through you due to the androgenic activation...and the THC tapered this off.

Kanyeknievel,

Good advice. Benzos are not the way out.
Glad to hear your problem is clearing up, too.

Did you know that those genetically susceptible to developing schizophrenia have a 500% increase in risk if they are a marijuana smoker?

Schizophrenia is not well understood, and it has a WIDE variety of symptoms. So don't focus on the potent title it is given. Simply accept the fact that smoking weed can make psychotic symptoms much worse for certain people. THC has a potent effect on some of the brain functions that are implicated in mental illness.
 
idk if that shizophreina comment was a good idea. people early in DP that dont understand it or think they are going crazy will be anxious and think that they could be schizophrenic or are becoming it... not a good idea to implant that idea in their minds
 
Some people would describe this as a spiritual experience, and maybe a truer perception than what you were used to previously. Meditation is always a good thing to try.

Abnormality is just a concept.

I've done a lot of meditation, and I think the ability to be present is a great thing. I just like being able to switch back and forth, but with DP/DR it's like your stuck in that state.
 
update: Now its been about a month and a week, the depressions really fading, the anxiety was really bad a few days ago, and i got some social anxiety aswell which freaked me out, but the anxietys down a lot now, I am starting to recognize myself in the mirror again. The D/R is still sticking around though , not as bad though. My self esteem still isnt were it was before.
A few days ago I felt a lot of blood flow to my head and my eyes were really big and I heard thats a good thing.
I went 4 days without weed but smoked weed yesterday and didn't have a bad reaction to it, or any bad after effects.
 
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