Miscellaneous Ali Flip : LSD + MDMA + 2C-B Combination – Thoughts & Experiences?

[Nuit97]

Hey everyone, I will write here because this combination is mainly psychedelic even if the empathogen is an essential component !

I wanted to share my recent experiments with something called the Ali Flip —a combo that blends the Candy Flip (LSD + MDMA) with a twist from the Nexus Flip. Basically, it's all about layering LSD, MDMA (or a similar empathogen), and then a little 2C-B to round things out.

The timings and dosage :

• Start with LSD (or a close cousin like 1P-LSD/AL-LAD): I usually take something in the 50–250 µg range. This sets the stage for a deep, introspective trip.
• After about h+3–>4 hours, add in MDMA (or other empathogens as an alternatives like 6-APB/5-MAPB but taken earlier to match duration ): This part really helps soften any fears and lets you dive into the experience with a more open heart and somatic relaxation . For me, roughly 100–160 mg does the trick ( i'm 190 lb ). I personnaly prefer 6-APB & 5-MAPB to MDMA because they act longer, they are less forced, and the comedown is smoother.
• Then at h+6->7 so 2 to 3 hours after the MDMA, I top it off with a small dose of 2C-B: Usually somewhere between 8–25 mg. This little addition extends the empathogenic & psychedelic effects and boosts the visuals—kind of like a second wind for the trip, that make it last longer, I sometime do it progressively with maybe 8mg at h+6 and then again 8mg at h+7 so it's more progressive.

A Few Notes from My Experiences:

• Timing is everything! If you add the 2C-B too early, it can really overwhelm the vibe, too late and you miss the moment for the "parachute" effect to keep the empathogen effects going
• I’ve noticed that LSD helps you go deep, MDMA keeps things emotionally safe, and 2C-B adds a fresh layer of visuals and introspection—almost like getting a new perspective on the journey.
• A gentle reminder: always start with low doses and make sure you’re experienced with each substance on its own before mixing them.

My personnal tips on this combination :

• This combination is extremly potent, this molecules synergise really strongly and it's really easy to being overwhelmed, even if you can handle 250-300ug of LSD doesn't mean you can't handle an Ali Flip at 200ug ( and let's say 150mg mdma + 20mg of 2c-b).
• I’ve noticed that it is extremly long, easily more than 14 hours, but there is a second wind where you regain your energy in the end, and the come down is really smooth and I think it's way better for integrating the experience that a simple Candy Flip where the comedown can be really harsh.
• I think the therapeutical potential is incredible, because with the Lysergic you go in the deepths, with the Empathogen you put light and love in these dark and scary place inside, and with the 2C-B you have the time and energy to explore these part of your "soul/psyche" that were trapped within. Psychotherapist like Friederike Fischer Meckel ( who studied with Stan Grof ) even used it and talk about it in her book Therapy with Substance: Psycholytic Psychotherapy in the Twenty-First Century

On a deeper level, I feel that while these combos can be transcendant but also incredibly hedonic they also have a potential therapeutic edge. They might help you explore your inner self, heal old wounds, and maybe even open doors to moments of pure bliss or non-dual awareness.

So, I’m curious—has anyone else tried the Ali Flip or similar mixes? What’s your take on it? How do you handle dosage and timing? I’d love to hear your stories and any tips you might have.

Andres Gomez Emilson is a researcher that graduated from Stanford in the domain of psychedelics talks about it at the 42minute mark in his video about Candy Flip .

Stay safe and happy exploring!
Nuit

 

[Didgital]

Uhhhh yeah done this combination numerous times usually at a festival setting when the days kinda just blur.

I'm curious where you came up with Ali-Flip as a street term. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe if was AL-LAD instead of LSD.

I'll never call that an ali-flip ever ever ever.

I do appreciate you reporting your experiences. I don't feel the same way you do. I don't ever combine lsd/lysergamides with 2cb. The lysergamide is a much more potent 5ht2a agonist and ime generally mutes the 2cb.

Mdma/lsd amazing.
2cb/mdma amazing tho I notice my heart being strained particularlyif i stack them to peak at same time. There's several timeliness to combine these two, surprisingly shulgin method was Def the best.

Many people out there will say lsd and 2cb is a good combo, but I'll probably never mix the 2 again.

 

[Nuit97]

Hey ! So the term Ali Flip is the one I saw on wikipedia and reddit and even psychonautwiki.

I think here the timing of the mdma and the 2c-b are in the timing of shulgin where the 2c-b is taken just before the mdma comedown.

I always liked LSD and 2C-B ! Especially in this timeline when the 2c-b come up just before the LSD comes down !

 

[Didgital]

Hey ! So the term Ali Flip is the one I saw on wikipedia and reddit and even psychonautwiki.

I think here the timing of the mdma and the 2c-b are in the timing of shulgin where the 2c-b is taken just before the mdma comedown.

I always liked LSD and 2C-B ! Especially in this timeline when the 2c-b come up just before the LSD comes down !

Welcome to BL btw. We don't always have to agree or be right, but what's important is knowledge/experience being shared. So I really thank you for sharing.

I'm actually kind of an outlier in so many ways, lots of people love that combo and also just in general have different experiences than me.

I rarely take LSD these days. After two thumbprints I think the mind is a fragile thing.

 

[Nuit97]

Incredible ! I really researched about thumbprints and I'm curious to know if you posted about it somewhere, I would love to read it .

I personnaly love phenetylamine/lysergamide combination

I use LSD in low dose 30-70ug once a month but it's been a while i took more than 100ug

 

[perpetualdawn]

Andres Gomez Emilson is a researcher that graduated from Stanford in the domain of psychedelics talks about it at the 42minute mark in his video about Candy Flip

I've come across this guy before on youtube. I don't quite have the time/patience to his full ramble, but his joy and laughter is captivating, feels very genuine. I would like to be more like this guy!

That being said, I also would never call any kind of flip an ali-flip either unless it involved al-lad. Or maybe allylescaline.

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

Hello dears, I am nuit97's friend and I tested this combo. I can tell you that it is the best combo I've done until now, its is so therapeutic and so powerfull, but with this infinite love embracing and encompassing your entire body, pure bliss. From this combo I invented another one which I gave my name : Elias-flip. It is basicaly an ali flip but instead of LSD you take 2C-E. For now it is hard to source it, but in a few month somepeople will be able to synth it. So the elias flip is more adapted to people who don't like long trips, because an ali flip can last 15 hours, where an elias flip last about 10-11h. For my first elias flip (I was already really experienced with psychedelics and even done an ali flip with 200ug, which fucking huge in this combo), I have done those timings and it was absolutely perfect :

• h+0 10mg 2C-E
• h+30min 5mg 2C-E
• h+1h30-2h 120mg MDMA (1/2 + 1/2 each time)
• h+3h45 15mg 2C-B

Be careful with high doses, maybe you can have problems with 2C-E cause he act more on serotonin, but normally it is ok. It was a more peaceful version of ali flip with a better facility to let go (I am not sure of the traduction, in french we say "lâcher-prise")

 

[SuperToaster]

Mixed LSD with 2c-b which is nice and LSD with MDMA which is great but stopped the MDMA cos you struggle to get real MDMA in the UK anymore.

Struggle to get real MDMA in the UK!? I guess I can't deny if you've personally struggled to source it, but in general high purity MDMA is as abundant and cheaper than ever over here these days.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Great post, looking at it now so, before i continue.

CandyFlip vs Flipped-Candy,
LSD first and MDMA 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours or,
MDMA first and LSD after.

CandyFlip most common about 16:00.
"LSD first and MDMA 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours"
The way i did it, and always believed to be the
real CandyFlip, well its confirmed now,.

He does mention that for a newby MDMA first,
to kill the come up anxiety of LSD has a place.
But veterans would start with LSD. So they won t
be coming down of MDMA while coming up on LSD.

Sounds logical to me.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

At 26:00, i don t agree LSD + after the peak MDMA: total KAOS.
I was 20+ years old att, so might be my age

High dose or normal dose Lysergic very clear and clean. And adding.
A Empathogen though intensifying, muddered the LSD experience.

Trip s on a Lysergic solely don t cause this.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Everything from the darknet for the last ten years has been rubbish

I can’t speak for recent times but ten years ago there was absolutely mass spec tested mdma available everywhere in the states. As good as any shit from 20 years ago

Also plenty of even better analogous imo like 6apb amd 6 apdb

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

2cb/mdma amazing tho I notice my heart being strained particularlyif i stack them to peak at same time. There's several timeliness to combine these two, surprisingly shulgin method was Def the best.

If my memory serves me right, Shulgin method is 2C-B like 3,5-4 h after the MDMA? Like several has stated, hard to get any of the real serotonin-releasers these days (Northen Europe).

 

[Nuit97]

Hey ! I tried the method of 2C-B at h+3.5 and at h+2.5 . Shulgin doesn't talk about number he say to take the 2cb before the end of mdma peak, so I think it depends how long mdma lasts for you, a friend found h+2.5 too late, i'm fine with it but h+3.5 was a little too late as the mdma started coming down and the 2C-B was colder in the effect. Friedericke Fisher Meckel who worked with stanislav grof in her books talk about the h+2.15 h+2.30 timing.

For me the best i've found is like half dose at h+2.15 to be sure you wont face the mdma comedown and then at h+3 h+3.5 you add half the dose to really enter deeper territory

especially in the Ali Flip where the LSD would be at h+7 at the end of the peak, so it's like you stay on the peak for another 3-4 hours

 

[Didgital]

I heard they cant make real mdma anymore as they cant find the precursors

You heard absolutely wrong then.

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

No I heard exactly right.

(Go on follow me around the board some more you fucking dickhead)

Firstly, you have nothing to do on dread if it's to insult people. Secondly, I litteraly bought MDMA last week, tested in a lab and it is real MDMA so I don't know where you heard this info. In 2009, seizures of safrol (which was an essential precursor for MDMA) stopped MDMA production but then a chemist invented a new technique of synthesis. Many people say "oh MDMA today is far worse than few years ago" cause they lost magic cause they consume too often or are predisposed geneticaly to loss MDMA's magic. MD is cheaper and abundant than ever today

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

Basic principle of offer and demand. MDMA is producted in mass, ecstasy pills are purer and more dosed from years to years. MDMA I've bought is 90% pure and was 10€/g, so your dealer may just be crap

 

[Esperighanto]

I agree with Didgital and perpetualdawn intensely about the name, many people I know consider the name Ali to be associated with their religion and I wouldn't necessarily want to trapze on that. In addition, I find it somewhat ego-driven and goofy when people name things after themselves upon discovery, so I tend to go out of my way to try to rename them to match the characteristics and then propagate that name. Despite this, and despite having mixed LSD, MD(M)A and 2C-B countless times in countless ways, I've never thought of calling it anything in particular.

Shulgin had a good tip about maximizing the therapeutic potential of MDMA alongside 2C-B by taking the 2C-B before the MDMA peak ended, I'd even go as far as to say that you should time it for the 2C-B come-up to be finished by time the MDMA peak is through, if looking to optimally maximize therapeutic potential. With that said, I've mixed these all in every order possible all but two of the possible orderings (barring late coadministrations) and have been around many others on the triplicate mixture of LSD, 2C-B and MDMA, so I figure I'll chime in with my takes on it here:

• 2C-B, LSD, and MDMA all coadminstered at once: The come-up can be a lot, but thankfully it's not much more brutal than a coadminstered nexus flip. LSD comes on dramatically quicker than orally administered MDMA/2C-B, but you could ease in with insufflating a small amount of the two if you wanted, to make the come-up seem shorter.
• 2C-B later than the LSD and MDMA, which were coadminsitered: 2C-B is a fantastic booster to candyflipping.
• MDMA later than the 2C-B and LSD, which were coadministered: LSD and 2C-B together feel like hanging out with a super cool friend (LSD) and their also cool but still-getting-into-their-groove younger brother, 2C-B. Adding MDMA afterwards really aims the two psychedelics firmly in the direction of an empathogenic experience, and while I've only tried this mixture once, I took the molly maybe 3-4 hours after coadministering the LSD and 2C-B.
• 2C-B -> LSD -> MDMA: This makes more logical sense than taking 2C-B long after LSD, and the 2C-B creates a nice "booster pad" for the LSD if that makes sense. Usually giving 2-3 hours after the 2C-B before dropping the LSD, and then another half hour to an hour after that before the MDMA is how I've done this.
• LSD -> 2C-B -> MDMA: Have only tried this once, but came upon some weak blotter I wanted to amplify with 2C-B so I did, and later decided "fuck it, let's roll", so that happened as well. There was little logic going into this, it was just a day off with little to do. It was a wonderful time, as every mix I'm mentioning here is, but it felt somewhat haphazard, likely due to not having a firmly set intention going into the experience.
• 2C-B -> MDMA -> LSD: This is an interesting combination, I used MDMA maybe an hour after 2C-B once and took some LSD later on once as an integration aid, and it worked spectacularly. I ended up redosing 2C-B after the LSD to extend it even further, and it was a wonderful choice, but the whole experience was moreso an empathogenically tinted trip since I was using ~60mg of MDMA for this experience, and the experience lasted probably around the length of my entire day tbh.
• MDA -> LSD -> MDMA: I know we're referring to just 2C-B + LSD + MDMA in this thread, but I brought this up because it was one of the best rolls of my life.
• MDMA -> 2C-B -> LSD: A classic Shulgin nexus flip with some acid later just for good measure leads to more profound integration and a kind of "sequel experience" to the nexus flip, if that makes sense. LSD's stimulation and headspace also help me tremendously with integration personally.
• MDMA -> LSD -> 2C-B: I've tried this exactly once, and found it to be pretty interesting, it was essentially Shulgin's logic of the nexus flip but applied to LSD, later using the 2C-B as a booster that enhanced the empathogenic effects I was working on integrating with the LSD. LSD isn't the least empathogenic substance around either imo, personally.
• Combinations involving later dyadic coadministrations I've yet to try actually, I find that coadministration tends to be best done initially with heavy hitters such as the three tools this thread is covering.

"LSD -> MDMA -> 2C-B" as well as "LSD later than the 2C-B and MDMA, which were coadministered" were not covered as I've not tried them, so I can't speak on personal experiences there, but I'm sure that like the other variants of the combination that I've tried, it'd turn out to be a wonderful time.

 

[xdrc]

https://www.wedinos.org

Search for keyword "MDMA". Check to see the postal code for the region. See how many people buy MDMA and get MDMA. Either your connections are bad, you took too much "not" MDMA too often, or you simply never knew what MDMA was in the first place. Getting MDMA in Europe has never really been a problem, except for the safrole drought which was corrected by non-safrole precursors jumping in to the market. Does MDMA not feel like it used to? Well, maybe it's not the MDMA that changed, but you.

MDMA is certainly more prevalent than any of the "alternatives" - e.g. (M)APBs, 4-MMC, 4-FA et al.

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

Broskis, it is not the subject of this thread, I know the guy who posted this and you are litteraly pissing on his work chating about futilities. This combo is probably one of the most magic ever created and allow you to awake your consciousness at an extraordinary level if you do things well.

 

[xdrc]

• h+0 10mg 2C-E
• h+30min 5mg 2C-E
• h+1h30-2h 120mg MDMA (1/2 + 1/2 each time)
• h+3h45 15mg 2C-B

Be careful with high doses, maybe you can have problems with 2C-E cause he act more on serotonin, but normally it is ok. It was a more peaceful version of ali flip with a better facility to let go (I am not sure of the traduction, in french we say "lâcher-prise")

What is the rationale behind the staggered 2C-E dose? Less bodyload/nausea? And the staggered MDMA dose? Which kind of doses do you take with 2C-E solo, how intense is this combination? Adding 15 mg onto the plateau of 15 mg 2C-E would seem like a lot to me, but for me 15 mg 2C-E is already very intense.