So both alcohol and benzos are depressants/downers, and whenever i take valium for anxiety it works very good, but what if i drink while on it, would take take away the anxiety more, or make it worse? and i know its dangerous but iam only thinking 2-3 shots.
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Alcohol with benzos for anxiety?
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HdoubleODeezy
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the alcohol can potentiate benzo's but sometimes the alcohol can over power them if you drink too much, and when that happens you think you need more benzo's cuz you can't feel them, and that's when you wake up the next day and don't remember anything..
so yeah they can be mixed, just very carefully.
too much of each never ends good.. but if the benzo's are working fine for your anxiety, why add alcohol?
if you think you can keep it to 2-3 shots than you should be all set. but sometimes the mix between alcohol and benzo's will make you feel you can handle more, so you drink more without thinking that it can be dangerous.
so yeah they can be mixed, just very carefully.
too much of each never ends good.. but if the benzo's are working fine for your anxiety, why add alcohol?
if you think you can keep it to 2-3 shots than you should be all set. but sometimes the mix between alcohol and benzo's will make you feel you can handle more, so you drink more without thinking that it can be dangerous.
Psychedelic Jay
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The thing is, after it wears off there is not enough GABA to fill in the gaps, so more anxiety will result.
Valium is also prescribed for alcohol withdrawals. Alcohol will decrease anxiety when you are drunk, but the next morning when its out of your system, the anxiety comes back, sometimes worse. Its like the "rebound anxiety" you may have read about with benzos
Psychedelic Jay
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This. The same with benzos too. Except with benzos, they use the GABA you already have. While you are on them, your brain is tricked into absorbing more GABA into the "Type-A" receptors, and amplifying the effects of it on the neurons.
Once again, draining the brain of GABA.
The best thing to mix with benzos is Picamilon, as it slows the depletion of GABA by indeed breaking down into it. This will make benzo and alcohol W/D A lot less impacting on the body.
Plus the niacin that was also a product of the Picamilon breaking down will keep your blood pressure from getting to high.
treezy z
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mixing alcohol with benzos is overkill for beating anxiety. with the benzos you should be able to do breathing excercises or cbt and shit if the pills aren't quite cutting it (try it, when i'm in a not using phase that shit works. i don't get scripted benzos but if i'm anxious my first instinct is to run or hit the drugs and that shit helps somewhat.)
mixing alcohol with benzos is also a terrible way to get high, i know several people who have ended up getting arrested and sent to jail or psychiatric facilities because of blackout behavior on the combo.
personally i find benzo + booze blackouts to result in much more fucked up (and completely idiotic) behavior than alcohol blackouts alone.
but overall, blacking out sucks, and therefor this combo sucks.
the problem is once you have the pills in you and have a few drinks your judgment goes from, let's say a 7 on a 1-10 scale when you were sober to a 1 while on the benzos and booze. then you end up shoveling more pills in your mouth, drinking more booze, blacking out, then end up stealing something in broad daylight in front of several witnesses, passing out in a store, taking a leak in front of little kids, or some other stupid criminal act.
in harm reduction there are a lot of dangerous combos that useful advice can be given for that will make them less dangerous.
benzos and booze, to me, falls in the same category as dxm and ssri's:
just say no.
while they won't interact in a nasty way like dxm and ssri's they potentiate each other exponentially. there's really no way to be smart about it unless you have one and only one dose of the benzo, only a small amount of alcohol available, and someone baby sitting your ass (who is much bigger and stronger than you) to make sure shit doesn't get fucked up.
and on top of all this it's really not even fun.
mixing alcohol with benzos is also a terrible way to get high, i know several people who have ended up getting arrested and sent to jail or psychiatric facilities because of blackout behavior on the combo.
personally i find benzo + booze blackouts to result in much more fucked up (and completely idiotic) behavior than alcohol blackouts alone.
but overall, blacking out sucks, and therefor this combo sucks.
the problem is once you have the pills in you and have a few drinks your judgment goes from, let's say a 7 on a 1-10 scale when you were sober to a 1 while on the benzos and booze. then you end up shoveling more pills in your mouth, drinking more booze, blacking out, then end up stealing something in broad daylight in front of several witnesses, passing out in a store, taking a leak in front of little kids, or some other stupid criminal act.
in harm reduction there are a lot of dangerous combos that useful advice can be given for that will make them less dangerous.
benzos and booze, to me, falls in the same category as dxm and ssri's:
just say no.
while they won't interact in a nasty way like dxm and ssri's they potentiate each other exponentially. there's really no way to be smart about it unless you have one and only one dose of the benzo, only a small amount of alcohol available, and someone baby sitting your ass (who is much bigger and stronger than you) to make sure shit doesn't get fucked up.
and on top of all this it's really not even fun.
Violenza666
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I quit drinking because I am on benzodiazepine therapy. I don't know when to "stop".. I get so goddamn drunk, something horrible always happens.. I always end up smashing someones face. It's just better off that I don't mix the two. I'd rather not end up in jail.
Psychedelic Jay
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This is what I'm going to say to this.: There is a way to have fun with Hypnotic combos, get your set amount of benzos, and leave the rest at your house at a open spot that is impossible to miss if you are walking through your house.
When you get to the party, dose your benzo, if you were smart you would have only bought a "Feel it" dose to begin with. Now that being said, you can move on to the alcohol. If it is a drink till you cant see type party, the you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. If you are at a "REAL" social atmosphere, and not one that everyone is puking at, then people can gauge your sobriety, and vise verse. There are people who do not drink at parties, make due that these are your friends.
hydroazuanacaine
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i cannot read through all these posts right now, so maybe someone already said this, but if you want to use benzos therapeutically, taking them with alcohol is FUCKING YOURSELF. obviously you will feel better while under the influence, but you will slowly lose control of you life. you will become a zombie. the idea of starting your day before downing 10mg of valium with a full glass of straight whiskey will seem impossible--you do that either before or in place of breakfast. your days will end without you fully realizing they began. you will lose track of the day, the week, the month, how much time is going by in your life. you will not be helping yourself.
now, for recreational use, benzos and alcohol are like salsa and tortilla chips. would you really even consider one without the other?
now, for recreational use, benzos and alcohol are like salsa and tortilla chips. would you really even consider one without the other?
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Psychedelic Jay
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I can't keep a straight face for the next 10+ minutes after reading that line...
...Oh yes, one last thing, thank you for ending Monday, April 26, 2010 with the funniest shit I have read all day.
Psychedelic Jay
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Alcohol+Triazolam=hello prison cell
You too? Damn it! It got us again!
hydroazuanacaine
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to be honest, i just re-worded a statement from another bluelighter i read years ago. i'd give him credit, but i dont remember his user name.
and about alcohol and halcion. my buddy was scripted it for months and did not use much of it therapeutically, so we would get drunk first, and then do lines of it once we were already trashed on alchohol. (anyone who says snorting any benzo is ineffective obviously has not tried this.) it would kick in sooo fast; people would be drooling before they could even pass the plate containing the lines to the next person. then apparently we would often have conversations in complete gibberish. a sober observer once said that we were all talking to each other really intensely and intently, like we were having a debate or really involved conversation where we could perfectly understand each other. but she said what was coming out of our mouths did not even vaguely resemble real words and there is no way we could have been communicating through anything but voice inflection. i do not think blacking out is fun; this was something different. though towards the end of the night it often did result in complete black outs, but that just meant we had had our fun and it was time to sleep. once i woke up at a different house but with a blanket & pillow from the house i started at. which means i walked through downtown carrying a blanket (probably wrapped around me) and pillow. I'm surprised no one died. you must have to combine such massive amounts of CNS depressants to actually kill yourself. that or choke in vomit or fall asleep in the toilet.
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K'd-OUT-in-AZ
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Drinking alcohol with benzodiazepines to treat anxiety is a dumb idea. Talk to a doctor and he can put you on the correct dose of benzodiazepine for your anxiety. Valium is prescribed for alcohol withdrawals, not to help treat your issues.
Psychedelic Jay
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LOL That's the way to do it. In a enclosed area.
Only 2 or 3 shots ? I wouldn't say that's a smart move - for your safety or for treating anxiety. Why not just change benzos if your current dose isn't right? Or, if you like the one you have, increase the dosage?
If you're just going out to party, why don't you not take your benzos that day ? In my opinion it's a bit too much combining the 2, and I'd stick with 1 or the other. About the combo and anxiety: I don't think you feel either more or less of it. Rather, you wont' feel much of anything at all.
If you're just going out to party, why don't you not take your benzos that day ? In my opinion it's a bit too much combining the 2, and I'd stick with 1 or the other. About the combo and anxiety: I don't think you feel either more or less of it. Rather, you wont' feel much of anything at all.