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Opioids Alcohol use during Opiate PAWS phase

timetohunt

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This post will eventually get to requesting some feedback and advice but first a background:
Background: Started using Hydrocodone about 6 years ago when lower back became so
bad that it often put me on all fours. 10 to 30mg would do the trick back then. I was 41 years old
and knew nothing of opiates. Prior to that I was an occasional drinker (although a few problems did arise from that),
and I loved psychedelics when the time was right (very spiritual and fun in usage). I normally research everything
I do, but for some reason avoided researching opiates until too late. Anyway, I found that the opiates were not only
helping with pain but gave me confidence, eliminated anxiety, and made me energetic and productive. No nodding off
for me, I was a dynamo on them. Eg: Wife comes home says "Hey, where did that nice new shed come from", I say "I just
built it, from scrap wood and raw cut trees, up 48 hours straight doing it".......I swear this is not an exaggeration, It really
made me that productive.

So it gave me the two things that I wanted most....no anxiety and being productive.
By this time I was using Oxymorphone (snorting ER and IR Opana), apparently the doctors thought my back
was bad enough to give me something that was way stronger than the Heroin around here. I did use Heroin a few times
when the pills ran out. There were times were I would snort up to 8 20mg Opana ER at a time, not that often cuz the pillls
ran out too fast. I did about a 2 year stint with Suboxone, cuz I used the pills too fast and needed something in between the
pill runs. I crushed my left leg in a freak accident in September of 2010 (a sandstone step gave way), 2 surgeries later more pills came rushing in. By that time I had kicked Suboxone (A long and painful withdrawal), I was chipping with oxy and opana, then the pills for the
leg surgeries got me fully back in. Total addict, the opiate life could no longer sustain itself, more bad than good......so...
for the past 18 months I tried to quit, I would get past 20 days...think I could have a day or two of pleasure and productivity, and
got hooked again and again. I was almost always withdrawing (I was trying hard to kick), was very hard for my wife to witness this.
So finally I eliminated every possible source, actually a few of my sources died (litterally) and doctors found me out so nothing more
from docs. I am like 45 days clean now (longest ever), experiencing PAWS. My stomach is still not right, I have the opiate sneezes that show I am still recovering even in a physical way (some of you might know about the sneezing after you stop). The good thing is I am not waking up in total withdrawal, which is most important thank god. That crap is over. I am beginning to move about and trying to tackle tasks, albeit in a clumsy manner.

Here is my question or situation that I would like commented upon. My anxiety is thru the roof. It literally makes my back and legs hurt, and I get the shakes (Incidentally, as far as major pain, my back is generally doing very well now, and leg is fine too with its titanium plate). Worst of all tho, I can't focus, hard to even read. Its hard to be productive which creates the anxiety cycle. I have been using alcohol to calm my anxiety and get things done. Things which must be done.......or no money.....house doesnt get paid for....things break (like a toilet, like our Well Water system and on and on). These are "must do" things. I do have an occassional benzo, but am very wary of those. I am drinking nearly every day and I know this is not good, but can't help it. The anxiety is worse tho, rock and a hard place. Once in a while the alcohol elimates almost all PAWS, another reason I keep drinking. I am treating this PAWS with Vodka and Beer. Has anyone had a similar experience ? Any and all comments on anything that I have said here are welcome.
 
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btw, I said I take an occasional benzo, but that is also a slippery slope, its not that I am going to get addicted (cuz I wont take a lot) but if I take just a little too much, I go to sleep. Sometimes 0.5mg of xanax is too much. If it does induce a nap, this in turn messes with the regular sleep pattern that I am desperately trying to get back to. And productivity gos out the window. Tried SSRIs and SSNRIs, too many side effects and too many more drugs to be dependent upon. I take vitamins and try to eat fruits and small meals when I am doing the alcohol thing to reduce hangovers and lethargy. I just can't seem to find any other way to battle this mega anxiety. I know all this booze cant be good tho.
 
"Baby Britain feels the best
Floating over a sea of vodka
Separated from the rest
Fights problems with bigger problems
Sees the ocean fall and rise
Counts the waves that somehow didn't hit her
Water pourning from her eyes
Alcohol again, very bitter"

- e.smith

He sings about fighting away heroin withdrawal with alcohol, and i have to agree, it sucks. Feels better at first, then worse. you can't just keep drinking away the PAWS, you'll just get addicted to alcohol.
 
it is very common for opiate addicts to turn to alcohol after withdrawal, so don't feel alone. i would suggest seeing a counselor or psychologist if possible to see if you can talk through some of the anxiety you're experiencing. it's likely not all being caused by chemical issues from the opiates, there's probably some underlying issues you need to deal with. good luck!
p.s. congratulations on quitting opiates! it's a very hard thing to do, especially when you have legitimate physical pain, and you should give yourself credit for it.
 
"Baby Britain feels the best
Floating over a sea of vodka
Separated from the rest
Fights problems with bigger problems
Sees the ocean fall and rise
Counts the waves that somehow didn't hit her
Water pourning from her eyes
Alcohol again, very bitter"

- e.smith

He sings about fighting away heroin withdrawal with alcohol, and i have to agree, it sucks. Feels better at first, then worse. you can't just keep drinking away the PAWS, you'll just get addicted to alcohol.

From the OP: Hmm.... I never did like Elliott Smith that much, I think It has more to do with his choice of chord structure versus lyrics.... tho those are some
very good lyrics I admit and hit home. I'm more of a Mark Lanegan type of guy if we are dealing with cryptic messages regarding the pain of drugs. But...cheers, a good pick on your part. Hey what album is than on. I might have it. I have about 5 of his.
 
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Its me the OP: I am going to try to let up on the booze, one way i know this can be done is if I start going to the gym. There is an
inexpensive gym that just started up round here. At the same time, I know I am going to need brief intermissions from this anxiety whilst
I build myself back up again. I get a small amount of Xanax each month, and like I said, if I get brief interludes of complete escape from
anxiety it seems to help long term and I can deal better even when I don't use anything........ kind of like a big exhale..... then back to
breaking of the rocks of everyday life. Here is my question.......and I am very aware of the possible pitfalls of benzo addiction.... but benzos
are really not my thing.......and I think I use them with responsibility.....like days where I am near panic.....cant even drive my vehicle....but
must do so to get things done. That is where the Xanax can help. Anyway, back to the question.................as far as relief.... is it better to use larger amounts for a short period of time or smaller amounts over a longer period? I really only need about 0.5mg or 0.75mg to help without falling asleep. I am thinking that using larger amounts over say 3 days is better than using small amounts over two weeks regarding addiction. What do you all think? Perhaps the question seems obvious, but I am not a benzo expert.
 
You should seriously consider therapy (either formal or informal), or even go find a group of friends you can hang out with who share some of your interests so you can take your mind off things.

With benzodiazepines, short-term use is much better than long-term use, but the real problem you are going to face is that you're using addictive chemicals (benzos, alcohol) to counter the withdrawl from other addictive chemicals (opioids). You need to find a non-harmful and preferably non-chemical way to give yourself relief from life's woes, or eventually you will paint yourself into a corner that is considerably worse than the situation you are currently facing. Benzodiazepine or alcohol dependence can kill you if they get severe enough, and in less severe cases can make your anxiety totally crippling.

Perhaps start going to church, or excercising, or drinking green tea and meditating. Ask your doctor about less addicting anti-anxiety drugs like buspirone or hydroxyzine. Try herbs like kava, kanna, skullcap, valerian. Perhaps even try cannabis, preferably an Indica strain with higher amoutns of the anxiolytic cannabidiol. But I would advise you to keep the benzodiazepine and alcohol use to a minimum, and preferably for social settings.
 
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