Adderall - too tired to sleep... Really confused

[thewayjoshis]

Whenever i do addy, i take 30mg XR and the comedown never bothers me. This morning i took 45mg of addy XR. I also drank a beer after i took the addy (If thats helpful info... P.S., i dont drink). I came down a little over an hour ago and feel extremely tired and not motivated to do really anything. I know that can be common for some, but im always just as motivated on the addy comedown as i usually am when im sober. I never even get tired with the comedown either. To me, the addy comedown just makes me feel like i do when i work on complicated math questions for a few hours straight. Not sleepy tired, just more 'ready to give my mind a break'. So basically, im sitting here on my couch, bored to death, really tired, yet cant fall asleep. I have more addy to take whenever i want, but the reason i came here first is because im wondering:
1. How much adderall is too much adderall?
2. Will taking more still get me the same, usual high? Or will it just make me feel more tired? If i take more, i will just go to bed (with the help of my night time sleep meds) shortly after i come down.
3. If taking more will make me feel better, how much should i take? (125 lb male)
4. If more addy is a no-no, are there any other ways to counter-act this shit?

Im not gonna just go to bed right now, because i have quite a bit of computer work to finish ASAP.

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

Hi, adding on extra doses is a bad idea, you might think about your brain as having used up some of its reserves for the day and the more you take the less you'll get out of it. You'll get more adrenaline though which will keep you awake, tired or not.. But you are probably running short on your motivation chemical dopamine. The added alcohol is no good :3 it shuts down brain cells and stops them from firing a bit.

"Wired and Tired" so they say, I think you need some sleep after the adrenaline and adderall is out of your system and I would be careful with dosage in the future, if your tolerance is low 45mg is starting to get a little bit high and hard on the brain, and repeated dosing resulting in a hard time sleeping would be the main source of toxicity though. With XR you gotta be careful with it being in your system around bedtime, sleeping meds or not that's extra adrenaline you don't need. Also I would ask yourself whether you're using the drugs for focus or motivation. Long term use will cause motivation problems but low dose can help you focus a bit without exhausting your brain. Goodluck, any questions are welcome

 

[thewayjoshis]

Thanks. When you told me to ask myself if i took it for focus or motivation, as i think about it, i guess i do it mostly for motivation. And thats good to know that long term use will lead to motivation problems. The first time i tried addy recreationally was over a year ago, but starting a few months ago, ive been doing it more and more often. In fact, for the past 2 weeks or so, ive been doing it every 2-3 days and usually use hydrocodone to get me to sleep that night. I think i already have problems with motivation so i definitely dont wanna make them worse. Thanks for warning me, i will definitely be taking a break for at least a week or so. I also dont wanna get too used to hydrocodone.

Also, i think i figured out why the comedown is so awful this time. Today im having 'one of my days' i like to call it. This is undiagnosed, but i know for sure that i have some sort of mood disorder. About 2-3 times a month, i wake up in a state (or mood) which causes me to have severe depression/anxiety. It makes me 'look at the cup half empty' (if youve heard that saying before) and worry about everything (especially socially). It wont go away until the next day. Ive never found a cure really. Drugs help somewhat, but all of the euphoria i usually get just feels dried up and flattened. Thats one of the reasons i realized i one having one of my days, because the addy high was barely even enjoyable. I know this off-topic, but do you have any ideas or know any helpful information about this? Any help is appriciated.

 

[chrisincville]

That could be a form of depression. Also, coming off addy's can also cause some depression.

And yeah, re-dosing like that will basically keep you awake, maybe give you a little rush, but until the chemicals are replenished and receptors in your brain are rejuvenated, you'll never ever get the same effect. It's just chasing the dragon at that point. Also, as was already mentioned, you need to be really careful with the XR's. If you take them as is (not crushing the beads), keep track of the time you dose. 6 hours after you dose, the second half of the dose will release. If you take it too late in the day, that could be a problem for sleep. Benzo's are generally the best way to come down, if you have access. Hope this helps.

 

[thewayjoshis]

That could be a form of depression. Also, coming off addy's can also cause some depression.

And yeah, re-dosing like that will basically keep you awake, maybe give you a little rush, but until the chemicals are replenished and receptors in your brain are rejuvenated, you'll never ever get the same effect. It's just chasing the dragon at that point. Also, as was already mentioned, you need to be really careful with the XR's. If you take them as is (not crushing the beads), keep track of the time you dose. 6 hours after you dose, the second half of the dose will release. If you take it too late in the day, that could be a problem for sleep. Benzo's are generally the best way to come down, if you have access. Hope this helps.

Wait so does that mean that if you take it and it hits you at noon (for example) and start to come down, then u will get the same high at around 6:00 PM? And also, i used to always snort addy XR until someone told me its EXTREMEMLY hard to crush the beads, and he doubts i have been/will be able to. So now i just pop em. Is that false information or should i just keep popping them?

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

I wonder if it's any coincidence that you reached for a beer on "one of your days", if you see something in this "coincidence" I would look at this pattern of coping with drugs and nip it in the bud

I am pretty sure you could put the beads into a couple layer of baggies and find a heavy object but more instant release generally means more of a rush and high so you could go a little lower dosage yknow, also ORANGE JUICEEE helps adderall absorb faster, more acidity.

A good way of thinking about drug tolerance is the more you use a drug, the more you will feel the opposite of how that drug makes you feel when you're not on it.

I would explore the deeper roots of why you don't feel good enough in the first place and need to use drugs if you cared to do the soul searching
It sounds like you're having depression some of these days and this could be random what day you have it and more related to a physical brain chemical issue but I would try to pay attention to what is in common around the time you have these days to see if it might be something more psychological that you might have more control over. Whether it be a night of poor sleep or a negative pattern of thinking, that voice in your head wont stop talking and remembering bad memories or recent drug use that is making these days happen more often. If you wish to talk medication there is always that but I would recommend some mindful meditation.

The goal would be to hear silence in your head and just pay attention to the sensation of breathing through your stomache, your stomache moving out as you breathe in slowly and coming back in as you exhale slowly. you could begin by laying down, becoming aware of the pressure and feeling of how you are laying, and then shift your attention to the sensation of breathing in through your nose, and keeping your attention there without thoughts running wild in your head, when the thoughts come, notice them briefly, and return your attention to your breathing. This isn't necessarily a breathing exercise but more an exercise of attention, I think this can help anyone who cares enough to try, but it can really help someone in your situation I believe, when done regularly for long enough you'll carry a tad bit of this meditation mentality everywhere you go and you will feel more whole it takes a long time to get decent at meditation though, but even at 15 minutes a day eventually the improvements can help the need for stimulants regarding attention and motivation.

I would warn about the tolerance to drugs though, adderall tolerance leaves you unmotivated and without your happiness chemicals, hydrocodone tolerance leaves you with less "chill you out" chemicals meaning a combo of depression and anxiety from adderall/hydrocodone extended use. Whether this is already affecting you much is your call. good luck, and once again any questions are welcome

 

[chrisincville]

Wait so does that mean that if you take it and it hits you at noon (for example) and start to come down, then u will get the same high at around 6:00 PM? And also, i used to always snort addy XR until someone told me its EXTREMEMLY hard to crush the beads, and he doubts i have been/will be able to. So now i just pop em. Is that false information or should i just keep popping them?

Yes, half of the beads are coated with a time release that is very resistant to the acid in your stomach used to break them down, so basically it's made to take your stomach 6ish hours to break down that second half. I'm not going to say it's the same high as the first half which is instantly released, but yes you'll feel a boost.

As far as the beads being crushed, yes it is definitely possible, but it does take a little effort. I dump them in a glass ashtray, then use the bottom of a shot glass to grind then into powder.

 

[thewayjoshis]

Yes, half of the beads are coated with a time release that is very resistant to the acid in your stomach used to break them down, so basically it's made to take your stomach 6ish hours to break down that second half. I'm not going to say it's the same high as the first half which is instantly released, but yes you'll feel a boost.

As far as the beads being crushed, yes it is definitely possible, but it does take a little effort. I dump them in a glass ashtray, then use the bottom of a shot glass to grind then into powder.

would a mortar & pestle work?

 

[PunchThomas]

you need to be really careful with the XR's. If you take them as is (not crushing the beads), keep track of the time you dose. 6 hours after you dose, the second half of the dose will release.

Are you sure you have that right? In my experience, the XRs will continually release it bit by bit. After the first come-up, I'll feel little mini-rushes every hour or so, for the next 8 or 9hours

 

[chrisincville]

Are you sure you have that right? In my experience, the XRs will continually release it bit by bit. After the first come-up, I'll feel little mini-rushes every hour or so, for the next 8 or 9hours

Yep, I'm sure. Google it, if you'd like. Don't quote me exactly on the timing of the release of the second half, though. The mini-rushes or " pulsating" effect is the individual beads being dissolved.

 

[chrisincville]

would a mortar & pestle work?

I would imagine so. The main thing you have to be mindful of is not letting the beads escape, if you have them loose (as opposed to inside a plastic bag). They have a tendency to jump around, lol.

 

[ameoba]

this happened to me the other day. i was terribly bored while coming down from a small binge. took a beer to "lighten things up" but I ended up feeling worse. basically just sat in my couch staring at my computer screen, bored but too lazy to do anything about it. the temptation to take more addy is STRONG but I really encourage you to resist since it'll only make the comedown even worse later.

Force yourself to go to sleep and rest. Depending on how big of a dose 45mg was for you, you'll be sleepy for a day or two. But it will pass.
And yes, I do realize that it's been a couple of days since your original post but I just wanted to share, lol

 

[thewayjoshis]

this happened to me the other day. i was terribly bored while coming down from a small binge. took a beer to "lighten things up" but I ended up feeling worse. basically just sat in my couch staring at my computer screen, bored but too lazy to do anything about it. the temptation to take more addy is STRONG but I really encourage you to resist since it'll only make the comedown even worse later.

Force yourself to go to sleep and rest. Depending on how big of a dose 45mg was for you, you'll be sleepy for a day or two. But it will pass.
And yes, I do realize that it's been a couple of days since your original post but I just wanted to share, lol

Haha lol its fine. I feel kinda bogus for this, but it feels better to know that other people are suffering with me. I'm actually high on addy again right now too.