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Accuracy of Maslow's Heirarchy?

sexyanon2

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So, I was looking up the needs for humans, and Maslow's Hierarchy seems to be pretty sound. It consists of Basic or Physiological Needs, Safety, Social, Self-Esteem, and Self-Actualization. We basically need to complete one layer to advance to the next. A fat segment from here in case you didn't know about these levels of different human needs:

Need One: Physiological

The first tier of the hierarchy concerns physiological needs, those basic for survival. They include such things as hunger, thirst, fresh air, and sex, (Drenth, Thierry, Willems, and de Wolff, p. 137). To take a closer look, the biological functions needed to sustain our bodies are included in this category. These may include the need for oxygen, water, protein, salt, sugar, and other vitamins and minerals, (Boree, p. 2). Functions to be cited are the need to be physically active, to sleep, to get rid of waste, and to maintain the correct temperature and ph balance in the body, (Boree, p. 2). This need, when not satisfied, will take the priority of the employee, (Hackman, p. 141). Maslow himself, in his Theory of Human Motivation calls these needs the most "prepotent" and says they will be the most dominating ones when not satisfied, (Leavitt and Pondy, pp. 5-6). Obviously, this most basic of needs manifests itself in the job environment as the pay required to satisfy it.

Need Two: Security

When Maslow posed the question of "what happens to man’s desires when there is plenty of bread and when his belly is chronically filled?", (Lowry, p. 25), he answered it with his second level of need, that of security. This need can be satisfied by leading an orderly life, and having the stability of your source of physiological needs, (Drenth, Thierry, Willems, and de Wolff, p. 137). According to the psychologist himself, this need only becomes a mobilizer of human actions when emergencies as war or natural catastrophes take place, (Lowry, p. 26). They have also been identified as the desire for stability, protection, and a sense of structure, (Boree, p. 2). Maslow spoke of the importance of fufilling this need in early childhood, and also postulated as to the extent that religion and philosophy have, over time, filled this void for many people, (Leavitt and Pondy, pp. 10-11). He also called them the "organizers of behavior". An employer might find it helpful to offer benefits, and some type of long range planning and preparation offered, such as a retirement or savings plan, to help fufill this need in his or her employers, (Boree, p. 2).

Need Three: Belonging

Next on the pyramid is the need for belonging, basically described as the social needs of a person, (Drenth, Thierry, Willems and de Wolff, p. 137). Maslow warned of the importance of these needs being met in that, when they are not, the person may suffer from more serious mental diseases, (Leavitt and Pondy, p. 14). To be specific, this need may consist of the search for and desire for friends, a romantic partner, children, and ultimately, a sense of community, (Boree, p. 2-3). Some of these needs may be met through the workplace, in such relationship building activities as picnics and socials, (Boree, p. 3).

Need Four: Esteem

This category of needs can be divided into to two subcategories. The individual, Maslow noted, will seek first to gain the respect and admiration of others through achievements, before seeking that respect within himself, (Boree, p. 3). The satisfaction that comes with respecting one's self and feelings of worth and confidence can afford one a sense of personal freedom, said Maslow, while the second type, consisting of the gaining of a successful reputation and appreciation for one's efforts, has been relatively neglected by the Freudians and Behaviorists, (Leavitt and Pondy, p. 15). Adler, a contemporary psychologist of Maslow's, postulated that the inferiority feelings resulting from not having these needs met was at the root of most of society's problems, and Maslow tended to agree with him, (Boree, p. 3). An employer can offer much in the way of public praise to suffice some of this need, while fellow co-workers must shoulder some of the load as well.

Maslow said much in the way of explaining how these first four needs work. He called them D-needs, or deficit needs, because they motivate the individual to do something through a deficit of some kind, (Boree, p. 3). He cited homeostasis as the mechanism by which this works. Much like a thermostat, the desire to fufill these needs only surfaces in the individual when there is a deficit. So much like the heat won't come on unless the temperature falls below a certain degree, neither will the need for love, for instance take precedence unless it is falling too low, (Boree, p. 3).

Need Five: Self-actualization

The last and final level of self-actualization differs from the previous four in that Maslow identified it as a B-need, or a being need, (Boree, p. 4). As such, this need can never be satisfied. In fact, the more it receives in terms of satisfaction, the stronger it becomes to fufill it, (Drenth, Thierry, Willems, and de Wolff, p. 138). The term itself was used first by Kurt Goldstein, in a much more limited fashion, (Leavitt and Pondy, p. 16). Maslow broadened the term a little, and it now can be defined as someone who has realized their full potential, and by doing so has taken on a system of characteristics, (Boree, p. 5). They include being reality-centered, or being sincere; being problem-centered, which means they focus on finding solutions to obstacles in their lives; they have a different perception of means and ends, or they feel the journey is more important than the destination, (Boree, p. 5). They would also have a need for privacy, or enjoy their solitude; are independent of culture or environment, relying on their own experiences to guide them; they resist encultration, or can be identified as non-conformists; and hold democratic values concerning ethnic variety. They will often be seen as having more close, intimate personal relationships, and have an acceptance of self and others which allows for an unhostile sense of humor, (Boree, p. 5). In other words, they can poke fun at themselves. Self-actualized people will also enjoy more spontaneity and simplicity in their daily lives, have freshness of appreciation, (or curiousity), and hold creative sides. As a result of all these characteristics, self-actualized persons will have more of what Maslow called peak experiences than the normal person. Peak experiences are defined as those which leave a person feeling small, a part of something bigger, more infinite, better, (Boree, p. 6). They can often be likened to mystical experiences in many religions. Certainly the self-actualized person is indeed rare, and Maslow once estimated that only two percent of the population can be characterized as having reached this level on the hierarchy of needs, (Boree, p. 4). Because of this, a company may have very little self-actualized employees. Much of the determination of the person heading towards self-actualization will be up to that person themselves, a company would be well advised to focus on the four previous needs in satisfying them, and thus the company’s employees can focus their efforts on satisfying the need that can consistently drive them towards bigger and better accomplishments.

So... how accurate is this? I've read some exceptions to the rule, such as great thinkers/artists, but overall it sounds pretty sound. So?
 
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Great thread! I've actually followed and studied how the model works as I am a psychology student and since I'm always looking to advance my self in my personal evolution I look at this model for help sometimes, even though I may disagree with it.

If you ask me, I have never felt like I have belonged anywhere since I was always called "weird" from 3rd grade and up, and even today I have extreme senses that I don't belong and people don't want me. However, I feel that I have a good amount of self-esteem and I don't look down on my self (other then the normal "Gee ... that was dumb of me" we all go through daily) terribly. I find that I am a trully unique person and utilize the "detachment" (explained below) to my advantage.

A inconsistency? Well ... I would certainly say their are exceptions to the rule. I don't take to kindly to Maslows humanistic theory, and I am very Freudian and psychoanalytic in my approach to psychology so I am biased.

"Characteristics of Self Actualizing People
Realistic
Realistically oriented, SA persons have a more efficient perception of reality, they have comfortable relations with it. This is extended to all areas of life. SA persons are unthreatened, unfrightened by the unknown. they have a superior ability to reason, to see the truth. They are logical and efficient.
Acceptance
Accept themselves, others and the natural world the way they are. Sees human nature as is, have a lack of crippling guilt or shame, enjoy themselves without regret or apology, they have no unnecessary inhibitions.
Spontaneity, Simplicity, Naturalness
Spontaneous in their inner life, thoughts and impulses, they are unhampered by convention. Their ethics is autonomous, they are individuals, and are motivated to continual growth.
Problem Centering
Focus on problems outside themselves, other centered. They have a mission in life requiring much energy, their mission is their reason for existence. They are serene, characterized by a lack of worry, and are devoted to duty.
Detachment: The Need for Privacy
Alone but not lonely, unflappable, retain dignity amid confusion and personal misfortunes, objective. They are self starters, responsible for themselves, own their behavior.
Autonomy: Independent of Culture and Environment
SA's rely on inner self for satisfaction. Stable in the face of hard knocks, they are self contained, independent from love and respect.
Continued Freshness of Appreciation
Have a fresh rather than stereotyped appreciation of people and things. Appreciation of the basic good in life, moment to moment living is thrilling, transcending and spiritual. They live the present moment to the fullest.
Peak experiences
"Feelings of limitless horizons opening up to the vision, the feeling of being simultaneously more powerful and also more helpless than one ever was before, the feeling of ecstacy and wonder and awe, the loss of placement in time and space with, finally, the conviction that something extremely important and valuable had happened, so that the subject was to some extent transformed and strengthened even in his daily life by such experiences." Abraham Maslow
 
Ah, thanks for responding. I was afraid this was going to be looked over and forgotten.

So I think we can agree on the structure of the heirarchy. However, it doesn't seem that one needs to climb up one step at a time to reach self-actualization.

But then the next question is the human's goal ultimately SA? Are the previous steps in the pyramid just guidances and helpers to get the human to the apex of the heirarchy?

I would think that all levels of the pyramid would need to be fulfilled in order to be happy. And that's what we all want, right? SA is just the most rewarding.

Although I sort've see what you mean. If I read your post correctly, you don't feel that you "belong," but still have self-esteem.

Now, my first question is, seeing as you have over a thousand posts, have you felt belongingness on Bluelight? Or a belongingness anywhere else? Even with a select few (parents, girlfriend). I don't want to put you on the spot and if you don't want to answer that's no problem. However, I'm still interested in this pyramidal concept of human needs and I want more information about it. :)

My second question is where has the self-esteem risen from? Accomplishments that gave you satisfaction?
 
Haha, well I always appreciate threads which are based on trying to understanding psychological concepts.

Is the ultimate goal of a human being self-actualization? (As defined in your first post) I really cant answer that one for everyone else, but I know the ultimate goal for me is happiness. It may be cliche', but I could have a 210 IQ and have millions of dollars, but if Im miserable then it wouldn't be worth it.

I feel that I don't belong anywhere, sadly, not even Bluelight. My thought process says: "You are not part of bluelight. You observe bluelight." I'm not part of planet Earth, I just observe it. Of course I'm part of it, but I have a defection in my thought process and extreme psychological reactance (the concept of someone who fears that when his freedom is in jeapardy, he instantly rebels against the social system/authority). This causes my nihilistic yet Eastern philosophical attitude where I am everything and nothing at the same time. (Kind of like a K-Hole!!!)

Here's the genious and where my self-esteem comes in: Because I don't feel like I belong, I simply find my self-esteem in knowing that I am trully different from everyone and that I DONT have to assimilate, but rather ... just be. It was stated up above: "Acceptance
Accept themselves, others and the natural world the way they are. Sees human nature as is, have a lack of crippling guilt or shame, enjoy themselves without regret or apology, they have no unnecessary inhibitions."
I swear, sexyanon, that I smile like an idiot watching birds in the sky and acceptance of my place in the universe. I can't describe it. See, when I belong to nothing, I feel I become a part of everything and I feel that same star dust inside of me from billions of years ago.

I initially disagreed with you in the fact that you need all levels fufilled in order to be happy, but I'm not to sure once I look it over. My main problem with that statement is if you stop at "esteem", but lack only SA. I think it's very possible to be happy without it.


It's interesting to see how many characteristics you have from a self-actualized person. How do you see your self fit inot this model?
 
I'm still working on security/safety... ;)

Although...

Re-reading some points of Maslow's Hierarchy, I feel I'm coming closer to the meaning/purpose of fulfilling these needs. Perhaps all of these needs need to be met for complete happiness. Or perhaps the higher up the need, the more fulfillment gained from the person.

Although reading something from Wikepedia gives me the idea that there is a path one must follow, through the different levels of needs, that inevitably lead up to the self-actualization.

Now, perhaps our mind is capable of "skipping," or coming to terms with other levels. For example, in your case, you don't have a feeling of belonging to a particular group of people, although you have self-esteem. Perhaps your thoughts have enabled you to forgo, or understand, the need for social connections.

Thinking further upon this subject of the "purpose" of the pyramid, I think that there isn't any purpose. Rather, this is the "path" humans take. We have a start and end (although the end is shaky). Whether or not we reach the end is irrelevant, it is still there.

And, on a personal note, I've been working on Acceptance and Realistic, although from a more Buddhist approach. I think they have some relation to each other, in that one is dependant on the other (in this case understanding reality comes from acceptance).

Although, I wonder... let's call the first need, the physiological need, level 1, and so on. Now, if we reach level 3 by skipping level 2, will level 2 be fulfilled? Either by reason/thought, or by mere circumstances.

Personally I find this concept of a hierarchy facinating, and to know the accuracy and details of it would be greatly appreciated.
 
I think it's pretty damn close to the truth, thought I don't really see the point of this thread. I mean the concept is hell straightfoward, and it doesn't state that you HAVE to do one to reach the next, but it just states that this is how people are.
 
I really want to bump this thread cause it is something everone should read thanks for posting it. I feel its very true.
 
I always liked Maslow's theory. Self esteem comes from looking at yourself in the mirror and likeing what you see. Hence, I exercise and imagine myself dancing (98% naked) at the best club in town.
 
Maslow. Yes
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feel that I don't belong anywhere, sadly, not even Bluelight. My thought process says: "You are not part of bluelight. You observe bluelight." I'm not part of planet Earth, I just observe it. Of course I'm part of it, but I have a defection in my thought process and extreme psychological reactance (the concept of someone who fears that when his freedom is in jeapardy, he instantly rebels against the social system/authority). This causes my nihilistic yet Eastern philosophical attitude where I am everything and nothing at the same time. (Kind of like a K-Hole!!!)

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Yes, I understand this, I think. I have felt this most of my life. I also have noticed the defective thought process in myself. I would bet that you and I experienced some similar emotional events in childhood.

It's complex. The idea of the Matrix and Grudijeef comes into play here. If you are awake and everyone around you is asleep you might feel very different for good reason. So it is not just a defective mind set.

The fact is that we are all one though. Only by practicing/experiencing unconditional love for everyone and everything including yourself , can one IMO overcome the sense of isolation/difference, and still be aware of how you are in a different mind set from most people. Also just because most humans are asleep at the wheel; Not everyone is. You may find others who are quite like you after all. Just not many.:)
 
My questions from this, are:

1) Accuracy of Maslow's Hierarchy. How necessary is it to complete one step get to the next step?

2) Is this hierarchy of needs for happiness and satisfaction? Or do the four steps need to be completed for the ultimate goal, self actualization.

3) Is there a way to "by-pass" one of these steps in order to reach ultimate happiness or self actualization.

4) If there is a way to by-pass, will one feel happiness or more neutral to the step. ie: for the social step, accepting that one doesn't belong.

5) Say you complete Basic and Safety needs. If you don't focus on Social needs but complete self-esteem, will your Social needs be fulfilled just because of your self-esteem? Like basic is step 1, safety step 2, and so on. If you are at step 2 but complete step 4, is step 3 completed due to the sheer fact that you completed step 4? (and perhaps the effects of step 4).

More to come perhaps.
 
sexyanon2 said:
My questions from this, are:

1) Accuracy of Maslow's Hierarchy. How necessary is it to complete one step get to the next step?

2) Is this hierarchy of needs for happiness and satisfaction? Or do the four steps need to be completed for the ultimate goal, self actualization.

3) Is there a way to "by-pass" one of these steps in order to reach ultimate happiness or self actualization.

4) If there is a way to by-pass, will one feel happiness or more neutral to the step. ie: for the social step, accepting that one doesn't belong.

5) Say you complete Basic and Safety needs. If you don't focus on Social needs but complete self-esteem, will your Social needs be fulfilled just because of your self-esteem? Like basic is step 1, safety step 2, and so on. If you are at step 2 but complete step 4, is step 3 completed due to the sheer fact that you completed step 4? (and perhaps the effects of step 4).

More to come perhaps.

1) Generally acurate for almost all people

2)Good question. I'll let you know when I'm self actualized.

3)I believe so. The first steps are essential, when it comes to belonging though I am not so sure this is essential.

4) I''m not sure on this.

5) My guess is yes! I'm thinking here of a shaman on the outskirts of the tribe. He doesn't belong in the normal sense, yet he may have the highest degree of self esteem.
 
Most psycholgists don't put a lot of weight in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and unfortunately, many psychology books don't address the problems with the hierarchy. There really is no basis for the way the hierarchy is set up. Human necessities are a lot more complex than a simple step by step pyramid. Furthermore what does a term like "self-actualize" really mean? It's just psychobabble in my mind.
 
Self-actualization means reaching your potential. Like Einstein self-actualized, as he reached his potential in physics. The same goes for any great person, like Spinoza and Da Vinci.

There is a basis for the way it's set up. These are the general needs of people. The more necessary the need is, the further down it is. The first two steps, physiological (basic needs like food and water), and safety are obvious and can be agreed upon. The following 2 are a little more complex, and the self-actualization is easily at the top.

The main focus of the pyramid, and most everyone, is the Social and Self-Esteem needs. We strive for each for a better life. Yes, there are more parts to the Social aspect than merely feeling a belonging, as there are complexities involved.

And yes, human necessities are more complex than a simple step by step pyramid if you delve further into the essense of the needs. The basics seem to hold.

Hmm..
 
i'm pretty much on the side of j33buscr1p3s....i'm not much for the humanistic stuff, and i (as do many psych people) feel it just seems very 70's 'bost self-esteem/love yourself' sounding, not that self-esteem is useless (although it's been argued that it isn't nearly as important as previously believed) but that people generally have no problems with self-esteem. Even depressed people tend to have some middle level of self-esteem. As for self-actualization....if it's reaching YOUR potential, then who gets to say when it's reached? That would have to be you, but then what does that say for those people that we think settle for less than we feel their potential should be? Don't they get to have that say?
 
fizzygirl said:
As for self-actualization....if it's reaching YOUR potential, then who gets to say when it's reached?

You never reach it or when you do, you served your purpose and you die.

It's a striving for perfection, fulfilling your dreams, spreading joy, creating a nice environment.
 
Maslow himself said that the HoN was never supposed to be taken as an absolute model - he intended it more as a metaphor. I'll see if I can dredge up the article where he discusses it.

Self-actualization in "proper" terms apparently should only apply to about 2% of the population: the rest never get the opportunity to self-actualise because they're still trying to meet the lower order needs.

People get waaaaay worked up about Maslow, I think just because it's so easy to understand. I think it's a cute but flawed idea.
 
Aunty, I was talking about this with my girlfriend last night and she expressed the same thing about Maslow. She described it as a hierachy of needs and not as steps that need to be followed in some sequence.

I don't know about it being a cute idea. Werd choice of term. All theorys of human psychology are flawed in the end.

I think the great contribution of Maslow was that he decided to study humanity from the standpoint of success rather than failure. What do the most successful people do that is different from the rest. Not lets study the sick and try to make them well or look at them as the norm.

:)
 
sexyanon2 said:
Self-actualization means reaching your potential. Like Einstein self-actualized, as he reached his potential in physics. The same goes for any great person, like Spinoza and Da Vinci.

There is a basis for the way it's set up. These are the general needs of people. The more necessary the need is, the further down it is. The first two steps, physiological (basic needs like food and water), and safety are obvious and can be agreed upon. The following 2 are a little more complex, and the self-actualization is easily at the top.

The main focus of the pyramid, and most everyone, is the Social and Self-Esteem needs. We strive for each for a better life. Yes, there are more parts to the Social aspect than merely feeling a belonging, as there are complexities involved.

And yes, human necessities are more complex than a simple step by step pyramid if you delve further into the essense of the needs. The basics seem to hold.

Hmm..

When I said there's no basis, I mean there is no empirical evidence to show this is the case, it's more philosophy than it is psychology. I enjoy humanistic perspectives; they're a necessary tool in any form of psychological therapy, but they're not really good at explaining motivation or needs.
 
NONLINEAR

I think it should be understood in a more nonlinear way - especially self-actualisation.

I have been through periods in my life when I've been highly self-actualised, in so far as having wonderful nonhostile humour with close friends, numerous peak experience (every day) and other traits. I'd say there have been periods when I fulfilled all the criteria (20-22yo). In those halcyon days. But I've lost it recently. I'm turning into a bit of an ass. I'm becoming more hostile and having fewer peak experiences. I don't like it, but I know that it's in response to my environment. And perhaps some decisions I've made. Whatever, you never achieve self-actualisation and then have it forever, and you don't have to have be 55 or over to achieve it. I've seen it inthe very young, and then they loose it. The world forces it out of them. And I don't think that the ability for the world to force it out of you qualifies it as 'not-self-actualisation', because it can force it from anyone. The only criteria left if that a person is capable, under reasonable conditions, to achieve this state of being in the absence of any enabling relationships, one becomes a self-enabler. I suppose, but being a self-enabler does not necessarily lead to self-actualisation.
 
A very interesting post xxuxx. Good perspective, and I have noticed the same ups and downs in myself.

I work to move in a direction of self- actualization, and I no longer think of it as a permenant state.

Frankly, I don't know what is supposed to be the goal of my life anymore. I try for unconditional acceptance of whatever happens. That's all I have been able to come up with.:)
 
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