Okay, everyone goes around saying you "can't get high well on bupe" but recently I've been using occasionally while on bupe and getting quite high (literally scratching to the point of painful irritation later, nodding off, getting a rush, even puking once and a while) from shooting dope THE SAME NIGHT I TOOK 8 MGs in the morning (I take 16 a day). Usually I shoot like a $XX in one whack and then split another into 2 or 3 shots (each XX is probably 300-400 mgs of pretty strong (I'm guessing in the 50-60% area, so maybe about 200-220 mgs of diamorphine, when I had been clean for the most part (maybe 6 times using) of 13 months, although I still had chronic diarrhea, muscle aches, temperature sensitivity, and depression at that point, I ODed off of half of one of these 40s ) and sometimes if I really want to get high I shoot 1.5 or even 2 of them (like .6-.8 of street dope) using a 3cc 25gauage. My question is: why is this happening?
First off, to answer why I would do this: I really don't want to use bupe.... I just want something affordable and of lower legal risk (I'm on parole/probation, and I don't have random tests (they are only once every 2-4 weeks, every 4 weeks when I'm working, and I don't get tested everytime but assume I will). As much as most people will say this is f***ed, I can function when I have a steady supply of full opiod agonists (including diamorph.). I can take enough when I have to work, etc. to not be sick but not be intoxicated to a non-functional extent, then use a bit more at night some nights (maybe half the time). With the bupe I always start getting not quite right after 6 hours or so after a dose (maybe 8 when I take two 8mg doses); it has lowered my testosterone levels to 250ng/dl (and I powerlift and have done some personal training and plan on doing it again (my wife is pregnant and I need to make more $) and people usually don't want to hire a guy who is 150 at 5'8 (I'm down to like 193 and 10% BF (I am normally like 210-220 and 9-12% BF) and am having a hard time maintaining that and I'm going on replacement (well okay, probably it will be a lot more than just replacement, but thats for the steroid forums
) test soon) and short acting opiods never hit my test levels anywhere near that bad (it was 1000-1100 ng/dl when not on opiods); I guess the last cycle of anabolics I did (19 months ago it ended and I did post cycle therapy) COULD be responsible but I've done them before and it always came back. Also, I have degenerative disk disease and have broken my back a couple times (fractures present on x-rays and scans) and walked around on it for a while, and the bupe doesn't help that much with the pain, which gets bad after arching my back while lifting, for a period a few hours after heavy lifting, or if I don't exercise at all (yes, oddly enough after a couple months of doing nothing it hurts ALOT). Basically I do the bupe to not be sick for a decent part of the day, or no where near as sick, and usually once a week I do dope (although it has been 2-3 times a week the last couple weeks, and I only stopped for 3 days (and drank lots of water during that time since it is water soluble) recently to beat a urine. At the same time though, I can't work out or do physical labor longer than 45 minutes or so 4 or 5 times a week or the pain just gets too intense and lasts too long. To top it all off I won't have the medical insurance I have now (my wife and I have been living at my parents for a few months but we are moving out within a month, and she will be going on medicaid; so I will no longer be their dependent and the insurance company will probably find out due to the info put out when she applies to medicaid and other benefits) and medicaid doesn't cover suboxone in the state I'm in, so between doc visits and the script it would cost 800 a month for it (I believe they will pay for my dexedrine, which would be another 350 or so but I'm not sure) which I would have a hard time paying for
Anyways, I'm wondering if this is normal, or do people mean you can't get high off the 50 mg 20 bags that are sold in some places? Could I have something different than most about my chemistry? Could it be my metabolism (I have to eat 4000cals a day to stay the same weight) eliminating quicker than most people? Could I have a hard time absorbing it? (do I possibly swallow it too quick? I do wait for there to be no grit. Could it be that I drink fluid right after?).
I'm trying to figure out what I should do. I'm thinking of trying to go to a pain management clinic (I had a pain management doc before, but he prescribed 30mgs of methadone in three 10mg doses while knowing I was an addict and had a tolerance and I was actually still sick) but I'm in good shape, have a prior addiction, etc. and they may not think I'm actually in pain (and that truly isn't the number one reason I want it, I am perpetually sick/depressed without them. I truly believe I have endorphin deficiency syndrome). But even if I got a lower dose I was thinking that by using small amounts of ketamine (which has been shown to lower tolerance and possibly slow its development, and if I can't get or afford that then DXM which is another dis. anesthetic), high doses of androgens (testosterone lowered tolerance when administered with opiods to male rats), grapefruit, and benadryl I could possibly get by. Or if I even got a script for codeine I could possibly convert it. At the least if I even got 15 vicodins a month for when pain is real bad (a lot of docs don't have a problem prescribing very small amounts- they think you use it occassionally when it was real bad) it would stop me from failing drug tests.
Sorry to get off topic quite a bit, I guess the main question still is why is this happening? Maybe if it really had blocked it I would have been better off.....
First off, to answer why I would do this: I really don't want to use bupe.... I just want something affordable and of lower legal risk (I'm on parole/probation, and I don't have random tests (they are only once every 2-4 weeks, every 4 weeks when I'm working, and I don't get tested everytime but assume I will). As much as most people will say this is f***ed, I can function when I have a steady supply of full opiod agonists (including diamorph.). I can take enough when I have to work, etc. to not be sick but not be intoxicated to a non-functional extent, then use a bit more at night some nights (maybe half the time). With the bupe I always start getting not quite right after 6 hours or so after a dose (maybe 8 when I take two 8mg doses); it has lowered my testosterone levels to 250ng/dl (and I powerlift and have done some personal training and plan on doing it again (my wife is pregnant and I need to make more $) and people usually don't want to hire a guy who is 150 at 5'8 (I'm down to like 193 and 10% BF (I am normally like 210-220 and 9-12% BF) and am having a hard time maintaining that and I'm going on replacement (well okay, probably it will be a lot more than just replacement, but thats for the steroid forums
) test soon) and short acting opiods never hit my test levels anywhere near that bad (it was 1000-1100 ng/dl when not on opiods); I guess the last cycle of anabolics I did (19 months ago it ended and I did post cycle therapy) COULD be responsible but I've done them before and it always came back. Also, I have degenerative disk disease and have broken my back a couple times (fractures present on x-rays and scans) and walked around on it for a while, and the bupe doesn't help that much with the pain, which gets bad after arching my back while lifting, for a period a few hours after heavy lifting, or if I don't exercise at all (yes, oddly enough after a couple months of doing nothing it hurts ALOT). Basically I do the bupe to not be sick for a decent part of the day, or no where near as sick, and usually once a week I do dope (although it has been 2-3 times a week the last couple weeks, and I only stopped for 3 days (and drank lots of water during that time since it is water soluble) recently to beat a urine. At the same time though, I can't work out or do physical labor longer than 45 minutes or so 4 or 5 times a week or the pain just gets too intense and lasts too long. To top it all off I won't have the medical insurance I have now (my wife and I have been living at my parents for a few months but we are moving out within a month, and she will be going on medicaid; so I will no longer be their dependent and the insurance company will probably find out due to the info put out when she applies to medicaid and other benefits) and medicaid doesn't cover suboxone in the state I'm in, so between doc visits and the script it would cost 800 a month for it (I believe they will pay for my dexedrine, which would be another 350 or so but I'm not sure) which I would have a hard time paying forAnyways, I'm wondering if this is normal, or do people mean you can't get high off the 50 mg 20 bags that are sold in some places? Could I have something different than most about my chemistry? Could it be my metabolism (I have to eat 4000cals a day to stay the same weight) eliminating quicker than most people? Could I have a hard time absorbing it? (do I possibly swallow it too quick? I do wait for there to be no grit. Could it be that I drink fluid right after?).
I'm trying to figure out what I should do. I'm thinking of trying to go to a pain management clinic (I had a pain management doc before, but he prescribed 30mgs of methadone in three 10mg doses while knowing I was an addict and had a tolerance and I was actually still sick) but I'm in good shape, have a prior addiction, etc. and they may not think I'm actually in pain (and that truly isn't the number one reason I want it, I am perpetually sick/depressed without them. I truly believe I have endorphin deficiency syndrome). But even if I got a lower dose I was thinking that by using small amounts of ketamine (which has been shown to lower tolerance and possibly slow its development, and if I can't get or afford that then DXM which is another dis. anesthetic), high doses of androgens (testosterone lowered tolerance when administered with opiods to male rats), grapefruit, and benadryl I could possibly get by. Or if I even got a script for codeine I could possibly convert it. At the least if I even got 15 vicodins a month for when pain is real bad (a lot of docs don't have a problem prescribing very small amounts- they think you use it occassionally when it was real bad) it would stop me from failing drug tests.
Sorry to get off topic quite a bit, I guess the main question still is why is this happening? Maybe if it really had blocked it I would have been better off.....
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