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A user at another site I post at wrote this article, it's been circulating the internet and is picking up speed. I think it deserves a read and I'm sure many of you would appreciate it.

He said, "I posted this yesterday in dailykos, a blog read by millions of people, thousands of reporters, hundreds of prominent political leaders, etc... and to my surprise, it not only made it to the top of the diary list, it garnered 1100 responses. Because of the response it got there, I decided to post it here..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...talk-about-marijuana-(Updated-with-more-stats)
 
sshheeeiiitttt, thats some heavy reading. From what i have read so far, the guy seems to know his stuff and makes good points that the public can relate too. If it is as highly read as you say, then i can only it imagine that it will have a positive effect on the movement.
 
Yeah, it's pretty well written and he has definitely covered his points well. I'm going to try to track the article a little more if I can, I haven't had a chance to talk to the author since this morning. If I'm not mistaken it ended up on digg as well.
 
If anyone wants to link this up somewhere feel free, the author would like it to be passed around.
 
"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."

Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

Good quote.
 
Look, before any of you persecute me, i myself smoke marijuana regularly, usually several times a week.

Marijuana... it has wrong information being chucked from both sides of the fence. Politicians and the people who blindly follow and believe everything the government does and says, and stoners and people who just dont have a problem with it much like people who might not have a problem with alcohol but dont drink it.

The thing is, whether you like it or not, marijuana does have negative effects that are not a result of legality. Speech, cognitive, and memory impairment are very real and if you smoke you are lying to yourself if you think they arent. Then there is the money, relationship, and indolence problems which are very real too. If you think weed is as harmful as crack, or if you think its as harmless as carrots, you are wrong.

The problem is, is that alot of users dont treat it as a real drug, they treat it like cigarettes or caffeine, like its something you can just smoke every day without immediate negative effects(I put immediate because cigs DO cause lung cancer eventually - for some). It is a real drug with real problems, and you need to treat it like you'd treat any other. Moderation is definitely essential and without it you are most definitly going to experience severe problems.

You might think 'But i smoke daily and i dont have problems' but in all truth, you do and you choose to ignore those problems. The most prominent and most easily identifiable negative effect is memory impairment. I havnt meet a regular user to not have memory impairment.. the problem is most people just dont consider it a real problem, when it really is a very serious one. Memory is our key to what we live, if we cant remember stuff we may aswell have just slept our whole life away... its one of our most important brain functions!

I believe that marijuana should be legal, but it should be treated seriously like scheduled drugs that your doctor prescribes you.

I mean, just personally i have experienced a few problems with marijuana. The first was when i got stoned for the first time - i called every one by the person who i had just been previously talking too, like if i had just been talking to someone called david, id call the next person david when i addressed them - this went on for months. I use to have very serious memory problems too that were induced by marijuana and marijuana alone. You cant sit there and say 'oh but thats just you' because i seriously dont know anyone who hasnt experienced some sort of brain confusion/problems as a result of using marijuana.
 
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Shhhh, you're not supposed to say bad stuff about pot ;)

In all seriousness though I have plenty of full, vivid memories while high. I can still remember every song Dr. John played the first time I saw him, and I was hiiiiigh. Granted, there's alot more time forgotten (such as many conversations on the couch,) but I still remember most of what is worth remembering and I smoke multiple times daily, when I can.

Also, I don't think you should have to go to a doctor to be "prescribed" mj (hospitals and doctors do not need more money in this country) because by that logic you would have to do that for alcohol which causes more relationship problems and leads more people to pass out on the couch (maybe that is not indolence exactly but it is worse.)
Pot should just be flat out legal and taxed, and maybe I would have to go to a pharmacy to pick it up (behind the counter.)
 
I didnt say it should be prescribed, i said it should be treated seriously, much like prescription drugs are. Its not a 'soft drug', its a drug and it needs to be treated like one.
 
My bad, I see that.
( hah I just unintentionally added to your point, even though I haven't smoked anything green in over a week)
 
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Wow good read. Thanks for posting! There are a lot of good points in there and I think I might show this to a few people...

FM
 
and asfar as that goes i think that legalizing it would ultamantly help regulate it so ppl will treat it like a drug and less of a "hobbie". to clean it up, just think if they could breed it to grow with out/ less of the wut 200 other chemecals in weed - the point is its less of a problem for everyone if its atleast decriminalized but they need to legallize it to explore the substace itself.

just think of the aplications- for some one who has depression aswell as constant pain thc itself dose little to be honsest but that maens nothing as it is always self midication-if a kid had the option of taking zoloft witch they say is harmless but in there own advertizement states that it may cause thoughts of SUISIDE/ and the option of trying a new age thc subtance lets cal it a mood elevator- with one side effect u might get hungary ooooooo thats sooo horible all i know is untill u can explore it we wont ever know its like opiem obveiosly has applications in the medical feild but its refined we dont smoke strait opeim wen recovering from surgery right? we take a refined dosed pill -it has bad effects aswell , but we use mainly for the better- ok so same with anything but espcially with pot because thc itself has fewer or less intence side effects that other substaces we all know and trust but no one can ever find out or expieiment with the possible use of tch sence it remains illegal its a real catch 22

and if they find out one day that its the abosolut scerge of mankind or that it makes u crazy than ill eat my words but then atleast we'd know! yea
 
^ but thats from a simi scientific / medical perspective the most useage would be and still is the recreasional use of thc. again if it were legal perhaps over time we could make it better for consumpion. like heather ,less adictive,*cough, alcohol is leagal causes od deaths and a tendency for volince in some users. ok cegarets do nothing but kill you and they go hand in hand with alcohol in the fact they can be overwellmingly addictive to most people but thats ok . i know we'ev all heard it before but WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY BANNED POT BUT NOT TOBACCO?

im just saying drugs are bad yes but out of all subtances thc (for most) is "less bad" i dont know about you but i dont ever want my future children doing anything bad but id rather if they do make that choice they go no ferther than weed- its like "no i dont want my teen to have sex ,but if they do id hope they use protection"

what i getting at is thc my be kinda nutral its not so great but thats why its so good it dont mess u up like leagl substances do and my favorite its impossible to od on ....ok that somthing we know .

if the us made gressy food illeagl ppl would run out and start bootlegging greasy food becasue there would still be a demand for unhealthy yet satifyingly good food. it would be just cuasing problems for nothing --legalize pot no more gansters killing eachother over a plant!!!!
 
No thats the thing dude, marijuana DOES fuck you up. Most people just choose to supress and/or ignore these problems. Memory, cognitive, and speech impairment are very real and they arent something to take lightly, they fuck you up and you go through your life not thinking properly or registering things properly, its fucked and has serious effects especially over time.

I can get drunk on a saturday night and by monday morning im fine, its as if i never even drank. I can smoke 5 or so cigs on a saturday night and by monday morning im fine, as if i never smoked. If i smoke a few joints on a saturday night, im still gonna have mental clouding on monday, im still gonna have worse off reflex's and im still gonna have worse cognitive skills. Marijuana's negative effects are not only real but they last alot longer than legal recreational drugs which is the main problem, and its because the drug stays in you're body for so long. There is a reason why marijuana comes up in drug tests longer than all the other drugs, its because ITS IN YOUR BODY LONGER THAN THE OTHER DRUGS and as long as these chemicals are in you its going to continue to have these negative effects on you.
 
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moonyham said:
The problem is, is that alot of users dont treat it as a real drug, they treat it like cigarettes or caffeine, like its something you can just smoke every day without immediate negative effects(I put immediate because cigs DO cause lung cancer eventually - for some). It is a real drug with real problems, and you need to treat it like you'd treat any other.
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Tobacco and caffeine are not real drugs?

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Moderation is definitely essential and without it you are most definitly going to experience severe problems.
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Yes, moderation is key. But I think you are exaggerating cannabis' detrimental effects.
 
Well its all subjective. If your content with living impaired then i guess its got no detrimental effects, same goes for any drug though.

And its not that cigarettes and caffeine arent real drugs, its just that they dont have any real side effects.. like i dont notice tobacco users have massive pauses between sentences, and take ages to think of a word all the time, nor any other speech or other brain function impairment. It doesnt really negatively effect their daily life is what im trying to say.
 
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And its not that cigarettes and caffeine arent real drugs, its just that they dont have any real side effects.. like i dont notice tobacco users have massive pauses between sentences, and take ages to think of a word all the time, nor any other speech or other brain function impairment. It doesnt really negatively effect their daily life is what im trying to say.
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Sure they do. Ever see a tobacco smoker run? Or hear them cough? Or notice how much a caffeine user has to piss? Caffeine can also cause sleep problems.

But this is getting off-topic.
 
I think moonyham's got a point, some people just seem to be in flat denial that cannabis is anything but some mystical medicine that can cure the world of all its problems. I'm not saying it doesn't have medial uses, but for most it comes down to the fact that your smoking a plant to get high.

And why does everyone call it marijuana? Its Cann-a-bis, show some respect to the drug.
 
^^^Any ill effects that marijuana has on cognitive or memory functioning is short lived. And given that marijuana is not physically addictive this issue is not a serious problem for most of the toking population.

Sure their are people who smoke way to much but the same thing can be said for a soft drug like caffeine. where most people drink a cup or two of coffee a day and no effects are felt. Then their are the morons like me who drink a pot or two and feel all jittery and anxious and then later on depressed. Huh? why isn't this as dramatized as weed.

I guess what I'm saying is that marijuana does have negative effects but a lot of the time these problems are exaggerated by people.
 
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marijuana does have negative effects
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for reals, son. I clicked on that thing and saw an HONEST talk about marijuana and actaully at first thought it might be anti-MJ? because i run into so much god damn pro marijuana shit all over the web (not like at drug sites but the news aggs, social media, fucking 20 emails a day, etc etc)

Don't get me wrong I'm 100% pro legalization, always voted up in like damn 10 or 15 props between cali and co? most of my friends are in the industry in ca, yadda yadda yadda

but i did read through that whole thing thinking hmm honest when is he going to bring up some of the downsides?

right now it's just two sides screaming at each other and not listening imo.

You know things are a non-issue once an article like that would be like yeah it also has a chance to fucking make you not get a thing accomplished all week, laughing at fucking butts on BET

Now I don't really care if you smoke an ounce this week and don't get off the couch and laugh at butts all day. shit I did that last week. but it's not like that's really making you a better person.

sure it's not like a chronic disease you get or anything and you may get your ass off the couch even if, or maybe you're doing fine or i don't care.

the super hype is a little played out now in my opinion. Arguing against criminalization doesn't mean you have to say it's a miracle. all you have to say is it's way safe enough to let people decide for themselves. because even the biggest stoners that are advocates, everyone who has smoked heavy/for a long time knows there are down sides and has seen it do some negative things to a few people
 
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