Heroin A new fentanyl adulterant: medetomodine

[chippermonk]

Evidently this is replacing xylizine and has it's own set of risks, though the article doesn't say anything about it causing flesh-rot like xylizine

Medetomidine is replacing xylazine in Philly's street fentanyl supply

This change has created new hurdles for health care providers and drug users.

www.phillyvoice.com

 

[LucidSDreamr]

 

[LucidSDreamr]

There is zero hope in helping the drug problem. It just gets worse and worse and worse

We don’t even have a medical protocol in place for getting people off of xylazine. No treatment exists

As poverty and desperation and joblessness continue to exponentially increase drug use will get uglier

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

There is zero hope in helping the drug problem. It just gets worse and worse and worse

We don’t even have a medical protocol in place for getting people off of xylazine. No treatment exists

I was trying to be hopeful for this one, it's another vetinary drug that's probably going to cause all kinds of problems to humans that consume it. Idk why vetinary drugs are the go to for mixing fent these days it's so dumb. Imagine if we didn't have the oxycontin super law suit and had less restrictions on drugs. We wouldn't have people injesting this crap.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I was trying to be hopeful for this one, it's another vetinary drug that's probably going to cause all kinds of problems to humans that consume it. Idk why vetinary drugs are the go to for mixing fent these days it's so dumb. Imagine if we didn't have the oxycontin super law suit and had less restrictions on drugs. We wouldn't have people injesting this crap.

Most Americans take pleasure in watching drug users being eaten alive chemically from the inside. The ever increasing suffering is a bonus for America because most people here enjoy watching others experience extreme pain and suffering.

I’m predicting that methadone and suboxone will be banned in the near future. It will lead to more death and agony. And that’s the point. Watch.

 

[pcplease]

chicken or the egg thing, IMO

oxy to dope to fent to tranq/whatever. opiod addiction is worse primarily because of fen. fent's logistics, effects, addiction. there is work available in america but factory/production/labor/trade is not for everyone. i stay out of politics but with all the stuff going on there are tons of job openings happening and seemingly to come.

to say americans take pleasure in watching drug users suffer is preposterous and i dont know how you could possibly feel that way; misunderstood, sure, i dont know a single person or family who hasn't been effected by fent through a degree or two or separation.

 

[Voxide]

Evidently this is replacing xylizine and has it's own set of risks, though the article doesn't say anything about it causing flesh-rot like xylizine

Medetomidine is replacing xylazine in Philly's street fentanyl supply

This change has created new hurdles for health care providers and drug users.

www.phillyvoice.com

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it retained that zombie skin rotting side effect

It’s practically in the same class of drugs with the same MOQ

Pretty soon these people won’t be dependent on opioids at all with how much the supply seems to be getting watered down with everything BUT heroin. There are bags here that literally just straight dried tranq with no opioid at all, and now I’m hearing of a Fent shortage even

 

[Voxide]

Most Americans take pleasure in watching drug users being eaten alive chemically from the inside.

They’re either grossed out sure, or totally indifferent due to knowing it was self induced sure, that’s def the case

But pleasure? Uhhh, naw. I’m pretty sure they don’t

I can assure you from any sample of non drug involved cohorts I ask, none of em are gonna be “pleasured” by what they see. Get some sleep bro. I promise Americans aren’t flesh hungry psychopaths that look at Tranq rot like it’s the Victoria secret catalogue, least def not “most”

 

[LucidSDreamr]

They’re either grossed out sure, or totally indifferent due to knowing it was self induced sure, that’s def the case

But pleasure? Uhhh, naw. I’m pretty sure they don’t

I can assure you from any sample of non drug involved cohorts I ask, none of em are gonna be “pleasured” by what they see. Get some sleep bro. I promise Americans aren’t flesh hungry psychopaths that look at Tranq rot like it’s the Victoria secret catalogue, least def not “most”

Ok Americans love drug users.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Can anyone answer this: is xylazine or this new bullshit put in by the cartel or is this done state side?

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Can anyone answer this: is xylazine or this new bullshit put in by the cartel or is this done state side?

It's the cartell first, they package fent and xylazine because it makes the product very small but also very potent and easier to hide. Then the dealers stateside add their own crap into it when they get there hands on it. Thats why sometimes there just be random stuff in it. I wonder how Mexico's doing with Tump like waging war on the cartels. I feel like USA is in for a drought.

 

[jaycat420]

I can assure you from any sample of non drug involved cohorts I ask, none of em are gonna be “pleasured” by what they see. Get some sleep bro. I promise Americans aren’t flesh hungry psychopaths that look at Tranq rot like it’s the Victoria secret catalogue, least def not “most”

The police here don't care if "undesirables" perish and actually do wish some of us would die

 

[Voxide]

The police here don't care if "undesirables" perish and actually do wish some of us would die

Indifference to death (unquestionably the predominant view as already noted, yes) =/= pleasure in current circumstances

Cops dealing with it on the frontlines aren’t exactly a big sample size compared to the entire country either

It’s okay to just admit it was a hyperbole

 

[LucidSDreamr]

It's the cartell first, they package fent and xylazine because it makes the product very small but also very potent and easier to hide. Then the dealers stateside add their own crap into it when they get there hands on it. Thats why sometimes there just be random stuff in it. I wonder how Mexico's doing with Tump like waging war on the cartels. I feel like USA is in for a drought.

Why does xylazine only end up in east coast fent annd not west coast fent then? Or is that incorrect?

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Why does xylazine only end up in east coast fent annd not west coast fent then? Or is that incorrect?

It's in the west coast stuff as well(L.A. and San Fran have tranq and xylazine). I believe the closer you are to the border of Mexico or Canada. The more likely you can find something resembling actual dope. But it's almost always cut with fent at least.

I use to get "China White" but it was actually black tar turned into brown powder. It was pretty good though probably tainted as hell.
There was fent in it but no xylazine.

 

[Voxide]

It's in the west coast stuff as well(L.A. and San Fran have tranq and xylazine). I believe the closer you are to the border of Mexico or Canada. The more likely you can find something resembling actual dope. But it's almost always cut with fent at least.

I use to get "China White" but it was actually black tar turned into brown powder. It was pretty good though probably tainted as hell.
There was fent in it but no xylazine.

That’s right, it’s fully nationwide now. It did start right around us from what I recall though as far as labs first identifying it. Gets whacked up by the cartel as well as people here too, my Indian vendor offers me vials of it all the time

Been a common cut in Puerto Rico for the past 2 decades now, that’s well documented also. If I remember correctly it’s even a stand-alone drug on its own for some of the more uh….disenfranchised users

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I think I would just go directly to methadone or kill myself before ever doing fentanyl again.

I know that drug users will use anything once they are hooked but it can’t be a good business model to scare new users away so much that they just choose to die rather than start using tainted fentanyl…especially in. Business where you need new users because people regularly die.

From what I understand most opioid users are older now and overdose deaths have peaked and are decreasing. Doesn’t seem like business is going in the right direction for the cartel re fentanyl

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

I think I would just go directly to methadone or kill myself before ever doing fentanyl again.

I know that drug users will use anything once they are hooked but it can’t be a good business model to scare new users away so much that they just choose to die rather than start using tainted fentanyl…especially in. Business where you need new users because people regularly die.

From what I understand most opioid users are older now and overdose deaths have peaked and are decreasing. Doesn’t seem like business is going in the right direction for the cartel re fentanyl

Well you know the thing is the worst about it is when they mix fent with xylazine and tranquilizers it kind of nullifies the opiate eurphoria you get from the fent. I typically get like dissociated and start throwing up everywhere after doing it. Alot of the time blacking out and doing crazy shit in public. Thats how I got arrested in 2020 I was like jumping on moving cars in a parking lot. You feel horrible afterwards and then your addicted and you have to use to get it well. But you like literally can't enjoy it because of the tranquilizers in it.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Well you know the thing is the worst about it is when they mix fent with xylazine and tranquilizers it kind of nullifies the opiate eurphoria you get from the fent. I typically get like dissociated and start throwing up everywhere after doing it. Alot of the time blacking out and doing crazy shit in public. Thats how I got arrested in 2020 I was like jumping on moving cars in a parking lot. You feel horrible afterwards and then your addicted and you have to use to get it well. But you like literally can't enjoy it because of the tranquilizers in it.

Methadone and suboxone sounds more recreational.

 

[Voxide]

I think I would just go directly to methadone or kill myself before ever doing fentanyl again.

I know that drug users will use anything once they are hooked but it can’t be a good business model to scare new users away so much that they just choose to die rather than start using tainted fentanyl…especially in. Business where you need new users because people regularly die.

From what I understand most opioid users are older now and overdose deaths have peaked and are decreasing. Doesn’t seem like business is going in the right direction for the cartel re fentanyl

That’s where the pressed m30s were supposed to come into play. Some dipshit friend of a friend of an older brother says they’re real and pharmacy grade, so of course some impressionable 19 year old is going to believe they’re pharmacy grade, hence the cycle kickstarts and by the time they learn sophomore level chemistry, it’s already too late sadly

Really is sad. All we can kinda hope for is that real #4 makes a large scale come back. The situation on most of these streets is almost a blessing in disguise in keeping a lotta people away. I’m in one the “epicenters” of this whole thing where it all kicked off. I remember during Covid summer before xyla it was synthetic ‘noids of all things

As for now I’m plenty happy with my 3x monthly session on 1mg Bupe with some hydroxyzine on top

Methadone and suboxone sounds more recreational.

Ha funny you mention that, yeah it probably is. I’ve never touched that Frankenstein street shit (too smart for that) but Bupe on a low tolerance is pretty much my twist with a first gen antihistamine. Methadone 10s I can get for close to free but don’t like em. Goooo figure