A Healthy Diet

[Mehm]

you tried to pass off the claim that life expectancies are now lower than they were previously.

No I didn't. My post clearly states that my generation is expected to have a lower life-expectency than the last. If I wanted to say life expectency, then the word "expectency" would have come after the word "life".

So actually you are wrong, and are still "losing" this argument. Sorry!

 

[aanallein]

So actually you are wrong, and are still "losing" this argument. Sorry!

and yet life expectancies still climb not fall as both of you suggested...... 8)


and yes i posted again because blatant ignorance annoys me. you both suggest i turn to science and then provided FIVE links which all failed to substantiate your claims. Every one of those links said that obesity and heart disease MIGHT lead to a decline in life expectancies. infact, one of them even says there is a lot of scientists leaning the opposite direction. since when has a MIGHT been treated as scientific proof? what kind of science are you guys practicing?

life expectancies very may well decline in the future. as they are now, they continue to increase. my statements were as follows:

yet our life expectancies continue to grow longer by the year. When I was born the life expectancy was something like 65, now its like 82.. at this rate I may never die.

that's not accurate. Its still climbing for both men and women in america.

both of these original statements remain true. you even admit yourself that they haven't yet declined, SO WHERE DID I LOSE THE ARGUMENT? You can be apologetic and back peddle on your initial statements to mean different things but then you weren't even arguing the same point i was anymore, were you?



fact remains:
life expectancies increase in the USA despite the 'pollutants' in our water and around us that people are so fearful of.

in fact, i'd say its even more evidence to support my point that the only things seriously impacting the growth in life expectancies are obesity and heart disease. these are both linked to poor diet, not pollutants (unless you count high fructose corn syrup and trans fats as pollutants). just shows even more that people should worry about types of foods ingested and exercise rather than silly supplements and purified water. /shrug

 

[DJDannyUhOh]

I never said they are falling NOW, don't put words into my mouth - read carefully. I said we will soon start to see them decline if the current health trends continue....as did all the articles I referenced. Even the nutrition and chronic disease professors (PhDs) at my university agree and that's what they are teaching health professionals to expect.

And pollutants in our water have a fraction of the impact that cardiovascular disease and obesity have upon our social health. Pollutants in the water are the last things we should be worrying about right now.

When you talk about social health, you need to talk in terms of past and future because what we are doing now is only a freeze-frame in an entire movie we need to be watching. Health trends take decades to manifest themselves. Life expectancy has risen only a fraction of what new incidences of chronic diseases have in the past 50 years. Individuals with a BMI of 45 or more can live up to 20 years less that those who are not overweight. Last year, Mississippi and West Virginia broke the =/+ 30 percent mark of individuals that have a BMI greater than 30. Coupled with the fact that no state in the union is below the 15 percent mark and continues to rise makes it all the more alarming. And we're not talking just being a few pounds overweight...these statistics are dealing with OBESE people.

And it's not even cardiovascular disease that will shorten life expectancies. Obesity is a health risk for type II diabetes, stroke, cancers, fatty liver disease, arthritis, pulmonary thrombosis, gall bladder disorders, and a host of breathing problems that all contribute to a shortened lifespan.

 

[Mehm]

both of these original statements remain true. you even admit yourself that they haven't yet declined, SO WHERE DID I LOSE THE ARGUMENT? You can be apologetic and back peddle on your initial statements to mean different things but then you weren't even arguing the same point i was anymore, were you?



fact remains:
life expectancies increase in the USA despite the 'pollutants' in our water and around us that people are so fearful of.

in fact, i'd say its even more evidence to support my point that the only things seriously impacting the growth in life expectancies are obesity and heart disease. these are both linked to poor diet, not pollutants (unless you count high fructose corn syrup and trans fats as pollutants). just shows even more that people should worry about types of foods ingested and exercise rather than silly supplements and purified water. /shrug

Maybe we were arguing different points. Mine being that life-spans are expected to drop, yours being that life-spans have been increasing.

In regards to pollution, wikipedia is a good place to start. Scientific discourse about the subject is vast and very conclusive. Water, air, and food pollution is detrimental to the health of humans and ecosystems. Please provide evidence to the contrary if you want to disagree further.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Aanallein would make a great rep for supermarket chains.

The title of this thread was 'A Healthy Diet', not 'Eat Whatever you Like You're Gonna Die Anyway & science says that you have a good chance living longer than your parents, even though you may be obese, diseased and kept alive on technologically advanced life-support systems.'

Believe it or not, food not containing toxins are better for you and will help prolong your life and enhance your overall well-being.

Most people would choose being healthy for most of their lives than living longer and being sick and/or fat.

Anyway, you're arguing possibilities, time will tell on this one.

 

[yellodolphin]

man this is the problem everysingle person has thier own view of whats healthy. people will say eat one thing then to not eat it. you cant look at current food trends, or anything like that and listen what to eat for yourself from other people.

Look past all that and you can find some basic rules to follow that you can eat very healthy. Plus you have to discover whats best for your body we are all different. But the main rule i suppose is to go by NUTRITION. That is the reason we eat food, to provide our body with essential nutrients. Generally you want to purchase natural foods that are not processed and filled with chemicals. go to a health food store to buy food, because there the food is actually meant to be good for you.

so u gotta do some reasearch. But its pretty easy once u get the hang of it cause similar foods have similar nutrition. You can get alot of vitamins and the important potassium/phosphorus from fruits of all kinds. Alot of mineral like magnesium/calcium u can get from seeds/nuts like pumpkin seeds/sesame seeds- they also provide fat and protien.

So ya eat alot of fruits/ vegetables of course. Fats are good dont be afraid of them, but u gotta eat right ones. Olive oil is the best cooking oil. Omega 3 from fish is very healthy make sure u eat alot of it and take it easy on the omega 6 fats ie cheese & meat.

meat is an issue by itself. ITs not the ideal food but some people really cant live without it so it not the worst thing just dont over do it.

 

[Mehm]

Olive oil is the best cooking oil.

There has been some contention about this. Since olive oil is a short carbon chain, it denatures under heat and become a free radical. Free radicals can have a negative effect on cells and cause other problems.

Many people now think that the best cooking oil is heavy coconut or palm oil, or butter.

meat is an issue by itself. ITs not the ideal food but some people really cant live without it so it not the worst thing just dont over do it.

imo meat consumption is entirely dependent on the individual and their activity level. Also, there are big differences in meat content when looking at factory farmed vs grass ranged (NOT the same as "free range") meat. From what I've read, grass ranged meat actually contains a healthy balance of omega 3, 6, and 9 fats..and contains no bio-accumulated pestacides, hormones, etc.

 

[Bercilak]

I'm not a body builder, but I like the Testosterone Nation site for exercise and diet information. Most of the authors are pretty good as well. Here's an article worth a read (although most of the information is non-surprising): Nutrition for Newbies

The part that sticks out in my mind is at the end:

• If your food has a wrapper or a box, chances are it isn't good for you.

• If your food has ingredients you can't say, chances are it isn't good for you.

• If your food makes a claim that it's healthy, chances are it isn't good for you.

• If your food comes pre-seasoned, chances are it isn't good for you.

• Lastly, if your food makes any claims about fat loss, chances are it isn't good for you.