A few questions about 2C-B and Acid

[BlueBull]

Hey all. This summer I have something special planned. I will be saying my goodbyes to all synthetic drugs at a certain music festival. It will be the last time I do anything else than weed. I am done experimenting and have seen everything the substances I partake in have to offer. I have planned to do this by taking a different drug each day. I already have MDMA, I will be getting some 2C-B in a few days and I hope to find me some acid by then too. Maybe I'll take some light opiates or benzos with me for the last day to take the edge off (codeine or something)

MDMA: 2x 200mg green android pills (don't know if I'll end up taking both, it's possible though I know this is a dose a lot of people would advise against)
2C-B: Supposedly the pills contain 18mg of 2C-B. This is not sure but in the past my sources 2C-B was high quality and not low dose
Acid: Standard dose, didn't find some yet so I have no extra info but if I can't source some potent blotters on the street I will be ordering online

Now I have a few questions about using these 3 drugs in tandem:

-Do you think it is a good idea to take a different one each day or do you advise to do candy flipping the first day and take the 2C-B the last one or something? I will definitely be taking these 3 drugs at some point during the festival unless someone says "no it's a deadly combination" or something. I know this will be very hard on my mind and body but I want to go out with a bang. It is going to be my last time so I want it to be more epic than any previous experience
-In what order should I take them? I was thinking of finishing with the acid trip on the last day but maybe for some reason someone has a better idea? The festival lasts 5 days. The first day is arrival and setting up camp, the last day is departure and packing. So 3 real festival days, but the event lasts for 5
-I have a LOT of experience with MDMA and acid but I've only done 2C-B twice. I want to be more aware of my dosage as last time I just took the same as my friends, which turned out to be a bit too little. So what would you say the best dosing pattern would be for 18mg pills? Is 2C-B more friendly to redosing if I think I need some more than for instance MDMA (redosing MDMA doesn't heighten the roll, it only extends it)
-Is there any cross-tolerance between 2C-B and acid? And if there is would it work if I take 2C-B the first day, MDMA the second and acid the third?
-Is 2C-B any fun to do at a party? I will be taking the acid at the camping grounds because I know from experience it is more fun that way (for me at least). But I've heard 2C-B is more of a party drug than acid so I kinda want to try this if nobody knows of any good reasons not to
-I'm aware about the awesomness that is candy flipping so I'm considering doing that but leaning more towards taking a different one each day. How does 2C-B combine with MDMA? Is it similar to candy-flipping?
-Any other tips, remarks, HR advise or dangers I missed about using these 3 drugs in tandem that I missed?

Thanks a lot in advance for your replies guys! It's still a few months before the festival but I want to make sure I am completely prepared by then so I'm already thinking about the practical and HR side of things

 

[Dunno]

Take it all in one go

 

[BlueBull]

I'd rather avoid leaving the festival in a straight jacket a combination of 2 of them could be something I'm willing to try. I never did candy flipping as acid is very hard to find over here these days so the last few years I have always dreaded ruining the few precious acid trips I was able to experience by trying this. But I'd rather take one each day. Though I'm tempted because I've heard about the awesomeness that is candy-flipping

 

[Zalo]

From my experience 2C-B first then LSD the day after has little effect on the LSD. I can't say for the other way around though.

If I were you I'd probably go 2C-B day 1, LSD day 2, then MDMA day 3 (for the actual festival days). You could alternatively do 2C-B day 1, take a break day 2, then candyflip day 3. I would just make sure to take the 2C-B before taking LSD and ending with MDMA, which does limit your schedule, but I'd say is more ideal. You don't want LSD to affect your 2C-B tolerance and you don't want the MDMA comedown to negatively affect your psychedelics.

 

[rpm]

Firstly I'd say that taking all three drugs is not specifically dangerous, that is there is no particular counter indications. So you don't have to worry about that. (although taking them all at once would probably not be advisable )

I agree with zalo that 2cb doesn't cause much tolerance to acid, but the reverse is not true (ie acid causes tolerance to 2cb). Of course 2cb will cause some tolerance to both MDMA and acid, but from experience acid is "strong" enough to overcome that (I suppose it depends on the relative dosages).

I also agree with you that for most people 2cb is more party friendly, and is great for listening to music (although personally I find the same with acid, except in very high doses). I wouldn't say it's particularly friendly to redosing, I think it just prolongs the experience unless done very soon after the initial dose. I'm not sure on this though as I don't have a huge amount of experience with redosing it.

Personally I find MDMA to combine well with both drugs, particularly if they are taken in the day and you need a bit of a boost towards night time. I might personally be tempted to have the MDMA on hand at the end of both trips, rather than taking it on it's own, but then I find MDMA on it's own a bit boring often, and a bit short lived for a festival.

With all this in mind, I'd say take the 2cb first, then the acid later. The MDMA could either be combined with either or taken at the end (I suppose you may not feel like tripping after a nasty comedown, so I wouldn't do it first). Finally, and this is just a personal observation, I quite like to have at least a day to settle in to a festival, get to know my way around and the people I'm there with, before busting out the hardcore hallucinogens. Make of that what you will...

 

[GreenMachine]

2C-B is great! if you get a hold of some, that would be the best bet for the first night. i wouldnt candyflip the first night--the party wont be as raging as it will in the next few days, it will probably burn you out, and there is tolerance to take into equation. so id say party with the 2C-B the first night, drink, smoke, maybe do a tiny bit of molly but not a full dose.

LSD and MDMA go great together, but you want to consider whether to candyflip hard one night, or take them separately on other nights. taking MDMA night after night isnt advised, the next time wont be nearly as good, you will need much more product and it is dangerous. not to mention the comedown (and the week after) will be rough. my advice is, if you can handle tripping often, find something like mushrooms where they have a short duration of a trip. maybe a light acid trip if you can handle that. which ever night you feel is the most banging, the night where you will rage the hardest, that is where you should candyflip.

personally ive gone both routes: seperating my drugs by day, taking it easy, safely. ive also candyflipped hard all weekend and barely slept. both approaches certainly have their merits but the latter is not nearly as safe or prudent and pretty ill-advised. however you know your body and mind better than we do so the decision is yours. good luck, and have a fun weekend!

you could also reverse this method and take a light acid trip first, then combine the 2C-B with MDMA, but you might need to up the dose of the 2C-B. i LOVE that combination, its magical, and i dont think i would be able to not do it.

 

[BlueBull]

Thanks for the very informative replies guys (and sorry for the wall of text that is my reply)

If I were you I'd probably go 2C-B day 1, LSD day 2, then MDMA day 3 (for the actual festival days). You could alternatively do 2C-B day 1, take a break day 2, then candyflip day 3. I would just make sure to take the 2C-B before taking LSD and ending with MDMA, which does limit your schedule, but I'd say is more ideal. You don't want LSD to affect your 2C-B tolerance and you don't want the MDMA comedown to negatively affect your psychedelics.

Yep, that was what my plan would be if I would do this without first getting some advice. Just because LSD is the most epic experience for me so it would be best to save for last I think. It would be the perfect closer for my drug career Furthermore the MDMA-comedown (though they are never severe in my case) is not something I have taken into account until you mentioned it. Thanks!

I wouldn't say it's particularly friendly to redosing, I think it just prolongs the experience unless done very soon after the initial dose. I'm not sure on this though as I don't have a huge amount of experience with redosing it.
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Finally, and this is just a personal observation, I quite like to have at least a day to settle in to a festival, get to know my way around and the people I'm there with, before busting out the hardcore hallucinogens. Make of that what you will...

That's bad news. That means I will have to get my dosage right straight away or I won't be able to intensify the trip if needed. Maybe I'll sample the 2C-B pills far in advance to see how potent they are so I know how much to take at once for a good trip...

And I will have a day to acclimatize as I always arrive a day early so I will be doing my first trip the day after we arrive (the first real festival day). I agree with you though that you shouldn't dive into the deep end straight away But seeing as this is my 12th edition in a row going to this festival, that I am there with a small close-knit group of friends that have tripped and rolled together countless times and that I am already there for a day when it starts this will not be a problem

With all this in mind, I'd say take the 2cb first, then the acid later. The MDMA could either be combined with either or taken at the end (I suppose you may not feel like tripping after a nasty comedown, so I wouldn't do it first).

Yeah I'm thinking about candy-flipping but am a bit wary of it. Just because I don't know what to expect. I have lots of experience with the 2 substances on their own but none in combining them. If I just think about how the 2 substances feel like on their own and just imagine how they would feel combined, would you say that would come close to how it really is? Because then I have nothing to worry about. It's just when they synergise in some way that it could have unexpected effects...

2C-B is great! if you get a hold of some

Already did as of today

LSD and MDMA go great together, but you want to consider whether to candyflip hard one night, or take them separately on other nights. taking MDMA night after night isnt advised.

I will not be taking MDMA more than one night, I have made some bad mistakes with drugs and doing that was one of them. Lesson learned early on

personally ive gone both routes: separating my drugs by day, taking it easy, safely. ive also candyflipped hard all weekend and barely slept. both approaches certainly have their merits but the latter is not nearly as safe or prudent and pretty ill-advised. however you know your body and mind better than we do so the decision is yours. good luck, and have a fun weekend!.

It's going to be my last time so while I am going to make sure I do not die, overdose or do permanent damage I will not be sparing my body that weekend it will take a beating. But indeed I know my body, I will take it to it's limit but not go over it

you could also reverse this method and take a light acid trip first, then combine the 2C-B with MDMA, but you might need to up the dose of the 2C-B. i LOVE that combination, its magical, and i dont think i would be able to not do it

Would you say 2C-B with MDMA (I wonder if there is a word for this) is better than candyflipping? If I imagine how they feel like on their own and imagine how they would feel like combined, does this come close? Or do they synergise or interact with eachother in some way to produce effects the drugs on their own do not have? I ask this because while I have lots of experience with LSD and not much with 2C-B, one thing I noticed instantly was that 2C-B is a much more mellow trip compared to LSD. My second time I did a very big dose and even at it's peak it is not overpowering in any way. 2C-B is a much easier trip, but a bit less fun too because it is an 'easy' trip. It is also less philosophical than LSD and this philosophical aspect I think would go very nice with the entactogenic properties of MDMA. Though 2C-B also possesses some minor entactogenic properties so it could go nice with MDMA too...

 

[Mazzab]

^Honey flipping is the word your looking for (or Nexus Flip). I honey flipped first night of EDC LV last year, second night I candy flipped with mda and lsd. Third day I stayed "sober", weed, and amphetamine. I noticed zero tolerance from my doseing (yet I'm pretty responsible the rest of the year). The week after sucked but that's we you get for go hard all week in vegas

 

[Zalo]

I've never tried honey/nexus flip, I will be trying it later this summer, but have candyflipped a few times. It's an intense combo and is definitely a good drug career ender in my opinion. It's an experience unlike MDMA or LSD; it's a candyflip. It's quite amazing how well they synergize. If you like messy and intense then candyflip. If you're unsure of how well you'll handle it then I'd advise against it though.

 

[BlueBull]

The only reason I am unsure if I'll be able to handle it is the fact that I don't know what to expect I think. I never had any problems with the two substances on their own, even when in big doses (up to around 700mg MDMA once and up to about 600-650µg of LSD on my heaviest trip). So would you say if I can handle such big doses of the two substances on their own I will probably be able to handle a normal dose of both when combined? I heard they potentiate each other a great deal so if I decide to candy-flip I will keep my dosage in check.

And indeed it would be a very nice ending to an incredible voyage I was always curious about candy-flipping but never wanted to take the risk of me not liking the combination and thus ruining a good LSD trip. What I mean by ruin it is that I find MDMA to be a far more commonly used drug than LSD. For me LSD is kind of... sacred you know MDMA is a very beautiful drug too in it's own way, the entactogenic properties are amazing, but LSD is in some way a lot more special. So if the MDMA were to overpower the LSD, that would not be a good thing for me. What would be ideal is if the mindset you get from MDMA, together with the empathy and euphoria lays a good strong foundation for a beautiful acid trip. But maybe that comes down to dosage which of the two substances steps in the foreground... And timing too I've heard

As for the Honey/Nexus flip (honey flip sounds better imho). I don't think I will be doing that. Not because I am not curious but just because I am familiar with MDMA and LSD a lot more, because candy-flipping seems much more interesting and because I find LSD to be a better drug than 2C-B. My second 2C-B trip was awesome, don't get me wrong, but it was mostly giggling, (very beautiful) visuals and joking around with mates. It lacked the depth that LSD offers I thought. But then again I only did it twice and only the second time in a high dose (I saw small bushes disappearing beneath the mud and growing back up again slowly, that was awesome. I could see their entire growth process in full HD picture, felt like I was witnessing life being born)

 

[Mazzab]

I completely agree with 2cb lacking depth...I think that's why i enjoy mixing it with other substances.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

the whole Idea of wanting to quit hallucinogens but then wanting to do them at a music festival "one more time" makes absolutely no sense....you either don't want to fuc with them anymore, in which case you never do them or have a desire to again from this point on out...or you want to do them to make the festuval more fun? what about the next festival next year? why is it that you only want to make this fest more fun but not the others? see whant i'm saying.

 

[BlueBull]

Firstly I do not want to quit only hallucinogens but all synthetic drugs. And secondly no I do not see what you are saying, I understand it but I do not agree

You say 'it makes absolutely no sense'. While you should say 'it makes absolutely no sense to me'. Reading the replies here I think it makes sense to other people too besides me...

The reason I started this journey is not in fact primarily to have more fun (if you think that is the only purpose drugs have you are, in my opinion, doing them for the wrong reasons) but to learn something about myself, the reality I stand in and the people I stand in this reality with by looking at things from another perspective. Drugs can provide such perspectives. And the reason for this last goodbye is very simple. I have always told myself I would stick to the substances I was planning to experiment with in the beginning. I also told myself that I would stop doing them once they have provided me with all the lessons they can provide and once I reach a point where having fun and enjoying my youth are not the only goals I have anymore. This moment has now arrived. And seeing that I have experienced such beautiful and life-altering moments with certain substances is it not normal that I want to plan a sort of farewell? It's like riding your ferrari one more time before you sell it. You say that if I want to quit them, why would I hold a last goodbye? I can reverse the question and ask you why not?

I understand what you are saying, don't get me wrong. I see your point. I just don't agree with it. If I read between the lines correctly you are automatically assuming that I want to get away from drugs, want to quit them in a negative sense. That they have caused me grief in some way. And your point is that in such a case I would be telling myself stories to make using them one more time acceptable for myself. But that would imply I want to walk away from them in a negative sense. And this is certainly not the case. It's not that I don't want to fuck with them anymore as you say, which has a negative undertone, it's that I have seen everything they have to offer, learned every lesson they could teach and that they have changed me in such a way that I can now view things from abstract perspectives without needing drugs to do it. And I can have the same kind and amount of fun with or without drugs. So they are in a way now redundant

Oh and the reason I am going to do it at this particular festival is because my family and myself helped build it to what it is now from the ground up, I first started to help build it at age 13, I am now 25 (from one stage on a soccer field to now a festival that is host to around 180000 people). This will be my 12th edition. This festival is more home to me than my own home. I live there for 4 months each year to build it. Except this year. This year I am going as a guest for the first time. I don't need drugs to make this festival more fun, this I can guarantee you. I don't need drugs to make anything more fun anymore as I said. This is something I felt coming for years and around 6 months ago I knew this summer would be my last. But again, I see your point and it is in some cases a valid one to make, just not in my case (and wow this has turned in a way longer reply than I thought. I am pretty stoned right now, I apologize )

 

[Lococo]

I combined 25-ish mgs of 2C-B with a blotter once. The LSD seemed to completely overtake the 2C-B, maybe the 2C made it a bit more electric... But yeah combined, I didn't feel much at all of the 2C-B.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

I'd do the 2cb on a different occasion to the LSD. I'd probably not take mdma with either LSD or 2cb. Note this was my dose for 1 day at a festival with tolerance caused by doing these drugs semi regularly for years (and spaced over 8 hours) 2 x 20 mgs 2cb, 20 mgs 2ce, 50 mg methamphetamine. MDMA has almost no real effect on me that I care for but once it was my drug of choice. So if I were you I'd do one drug on each day taking into account the half life of the substance in question. 18 mg of 2cb with another 18 mgs at the 1 to 1.5 hour mark will result in a 6-8 hour experience. LSD lasts about 10 hours. MDMA will need redosing every 4 hours or so. MDMA I'd save for the last day as it depletes your serotonin reserves the most. I'd take 2cb the first day and LSD the second with MDMA on the third.

You will have a horrid comedown that will last for a few days. You will need slightly larger than normal doses of MDMA on day 3 but don't go over board. 2cb and LSD don't have that god awful 2 day post use blues that MDMA can often have so that is why I'd take it on day 3. I'd also have a benzo on hand just in case your BP and heart rate elevate excessively. Drink fluids, keep hydrated but don't drown your self.

If your unsure of the potency of any of your products then do a test dose before the festival. preferably a couple of weeks prior. Eat well, ensure adequate intake of vitamins and minerals (especially potassium) in the week up to the festival. Forget the 5 HTP shit it's worthless on a 3 day bender and replenishing your body post festival with good healthy food will alleviate the depression and general shitty feeling your going to be in for. Rest, hydrate and eat well post festival. Most important have fun and know your limits.

Quitting synthetic drugs but still smoking pot?? If you really want to be healthy eat the damn cannabis. 2cb lacks depth? Does MDMA lack depth? Define depth? Do you want to be gazing in awe at the majestic nature of a tree during a music festival? MDMA and 2cb are party drugs and also useful in breaking down emotional boundaries. LSD can take you on a journey in your mind. Doing MXE, K, 4 aco dmt, etizolam and DMT now that has depth but it's also fucking dangerous and although I do this kind of thing I advise that people do not. It's unsafe and can cause serotonin syndrome, but as I've already experienced that due to being a reckless drug pig I know my body and it's limits well...

 

[BlueBull]

I combined 25-ish mgs of 2C-B with a blotter once. The LSD seemed to completely overtake the 2C-B, maybe the 2C made it a bit more electric... But yeah combined, I didn't feel much at all of the 2C-B.

I will definately not be doing that

I'd do the 2cb on a different occasion to the LSD. I'd probably not take mdma with either LSD or 2cb. Note this was my dose for 1 day at a festival with tolerance caused by doing these drugs semi regularly for years (and spaced over 8 hours) 2 x 20 mgs 2cb, 20 mgs 2ce, 50 mg methamphetamine. MDMA has almost no real effect on me that I care for but once it was my drug of choice. So if I were you I'd do one drug on each day taking into account the half life of the substance in question. 18 mg of 2cb with another 18 mgs at the 1 to 1.5 hour mark will result in a 6-8 hour experience. LSD lasts about 10 hours. MDMA will need redosing every 4 hours or so. MDMA I'd save for the last day as it depletes your serotonin reserves the most. I'd take 2cb the first day and LSD the second with MDMA on the third.

You will have a horrid comedown that will last for a few days. You will need slightly larger than normal doses of MDMA on day 3 but don't go over board. 2cb and LSD don't have that god awful 2 day post use blues that MDMA can often have so that is why I'd take it on day 3. I'd also have a benzo on hand just in case your BP and heart rate elevate excessively. Drink fluids, keep hydrated but don't drown your self.

If your unsure of the potency of any of your products then do a test dose before the festival. preferably a couple of weeks prior. Eat well, ensure adequate intake of vitamins and minerals (especially potassium) in the week up to the festival. Forget the 5 HTP shit it's worthless on a 3 day bender and replenishing your body post festival with good healthy food will alleviate the depression and general shitty feeling your going to be in for. Rest, hydrate and eat well post festival. Most important have fun and know your limits.

Quitting synthetic drugs but still smoking pot?? If you really want to be healthy eat the damn cannabis. 2cb lacks depth? Does MDMA lack depth? Define depth? Do you want to be gazing in awe at the majestic nature of a tree during a music festival? MDMA and 2cb are party drugs and also useful in breaking down emotional boundaries. LSD can take you on a journey in your mind. Doing MXE, K, 4 aco dmt, etizolam and DMT now that has depth but it's also fucking dangerous and although I do this kind of thing I advise that people do not. It's unsafe and can cause serotonin syndrome, but as I've already experienced that due to being a reckless drug pig I know my body and it's limits well...

Seeing as I don't really get bad comedowns if I don't go overboard with my drug use, the MDMA comedown is not really a factor for me. I was leaning more towards ending with the acid trip (or candy-flipping, but probably not). Because then I can be on the festival grounds the entire three days, seeing as 2C-B and MDMA are more of a party drug than LSD, drop the LSD at the end of the night on the third day and end the festival with a trip on the camping grounds with my mates. That would be perfect... As for the 2C-B dosage, thanks for the advice. That I can really use, I want to be a bit more aware of dosage as last time. Also I will indeed try to test the potency beforehand, I already have them so as soon as I get the chance I will first run them through a testkit and then sample them

I will make sure I have enough vitamins and minerals in me to not fall over before the festival ends, I always take good care of this so not a problem About the pot, yep you are completely right. Edibles are not really an option for me but I am looking into getting a vape, just need to get the money together as I want a good one. But as I explained above the reason I'm quitting synthetics is not health-related

As for depth. You say to me "define depth?" and then go on to saying DMT has depth. So define depth? I did DMT once and indeed that has depth. And I think 2C-B lacks it a bit. It's more of a fun, lighthearted, giggly, euphoric and energetic trip than for instance LSD. And that doesn't change when you take a higher dose, it just gets more euphoric, and more giggly and more energetic. LSD is in a sense a more intelligent trip... I guess that's as good a definition of depth in hallucinogens as any: "an intelligent trip"