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⫸STICKY⫷ A Complete Idiot's Guide to Volumetric Dosing

Keif' Richards

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I've had a lot of requests recently for information regarding Volumetric Dosing. Instead of replying to all of the threads individually, I thought I would just make a dedicated thread to the process. I believe it's an important skill for any person who uses drugs regularly.

What is Volumetric Dosing?

Volumetric Dosing is a process by which we are able to modify the potency of a given substance to suit our needs. See, pharmaceuticals, as we all know, come in predetermined dosing units. The most common way that a person might modify the strength of a given substance would be to break a pill in half or into quarters. Still, we are limited in what we are able to do simply by breaking tablets into pieces. Volumetric Dosing allows us to produce our own dosage units. With Volumetric Dosing, a person can make infinitely smaller dosage units if needed.

The Process

- Oral Syringe with Milliliter Units on the side of the barrel
- A vessel for containing the solution
- Water, preferably sterile, especially if keeping the solution for extended periods of time

Let's say a person has an 8mg Buprenorphine tablet. This is a common request in the forums, so this will be our example. This person is doing a slow taper and they want dosing units of 0.25mg. How do we accomplish this? It's easy. This can be done with tablets, films or anything soluble in water.

Crush the tablet into a powder in the bottom of your vessel. This could be a drinking glass, for example.

Take your oral syringe. Draw up 8ml of water. Squirt this water into your vessel with your crushed Buprenorphine tablet. Mix until everything is in solution (mixed up). You now draw this solution back up into the syringe. You now have a solution in which each Ml contains 1mg Buprenorphine. We arent' done yet though, as we need to go smaller still.

Draw up 8ml more of water. Squirt this into your vessel containing your solution and mix again. Now, in your vessel, you have a solution in which each Ml contains 0.5mg Buprenorphine. Repeat this process a third time and you will now have 24ml total of solution. Each Ml now contains exactly 0.25mg Buprenorphine as desired.

When you're ready to take a dose, you simply take your syringe, draw up a single Ml of your solution and squirt it under your tongue. It will be absorbed as usual. In fact, having the drug already in solution will make the sublingual absorption process even faster.

As you can all see, this process allows us to make infinitely smaller units of dosing. This is incredibly useful for people needing to do slow tapers like our example here. This process can be performed with any drug that is water soluble; the majority of drugs out there that are commonly used are going to be water soluble.

If you end up needing to perform this process with a substance that is not soluble in water, like most Benzodiazepines for instance, you just have to determine the correct vehicle for the substance. Some substances are soluble in Alcohol or Propylene Glycol and so on. The process is just as easy once you determine the correct vehicle for your substance.

Furthermore, this is not very "clinical" or "scientific" but you can probably make an effective solution of a Benzodiazepine using only water. You just have to agitate the solution each time you use it. I hope this helps. Anyone with questions, feel free.
 
Would this method apply to Vyvanse?

The reason I ask is sometimes it would be nice to take a lower dose ( I am on 50mg which works great ) - but there are a few days when I would like to take a lower dose (eg. 30mg) for practical reasons.

Just curious.



*Edit* - I wouldn't want to waste any and would stick to just taking it normally, but had to ask as this can be "a positive" for my treatment and if it is simple and fairly accurate to do then I would like to give it a go.
- Any other "hacks" that could work specifically relevant to this thread concerning Vyvanse would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Hey @shreddedlettuce

Yes, this process could also be used for Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse). You are not changing the drug in any way by mixing it into solution. Assuming you are going to consume the drug orally i.e. the same way that you always do, the drug will work in the same way.

Lisdexamfetamine can be administered by any route really. From my understanding, a person could administer the drug intravenously and it would work in essentially the same way as had you taken it orally. Once it is in the bloodstream, the same slow process of separating the Dextroamphetamine from the Lysine will occur, so it's a drug that is pretty much "abuse proof" in terms of breaking the time release.

So, for you specifically:

- Empty your 50mg Lisdexamfetamine capsule in to your vessel
- Draw up 5ml of water
- Mix the powder and water into a solution

In your syringe, you now have 50mg Lisdexamfetamine with 10mg/ml. You can now easily reduce the dose by 10mg increments. You would then take 3ml of that solution to equal your desired 30mg Lisdexamfetamine, with 20mg Lisdexamfetamine as the remainder. For most psychoactive substances, the process of degradation is measured in decades.

This solution can be kept and used at a later time.

I also take Lisdexamfetamine. I take 60mg Lisdexamfetamine per day and I have found it to be incredibly helpful. If I had not been in recovery when I got my prescription, I never would have discovered how useful it is for me, but I digress.

I was always concerned about tolerance. How long would this medication be effective for? I felt like taking days off would be a good idea, however, I found my personal life also required me to be organized. Taking the weekends off meant I wouldn't clean my apartment or get my laundry done.

My solution to this was to take half my dose on weekends/days off from work. If I were to say, go on a vacation, I'd take two days off from the medication prior to leaving then maybe take 20mg Lisdexamfetamine while on the trip. This would give me an opportunity to lower my tolerance while not leaving me totally unfunctional.

I'm the type of person who always lost their keys, forgot their badge, missed doctor appointments etc. Even if I were "having fun" I would suffer in not having my thoughts together.

That's my advice. When you don't need all of the medication, don't take it. Using this volumetric dosing is a great way of easily modifying your dosage. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
Thank you.

Will give it a try.

Was on 30mg for 12 months and then started the 50mg three months ago.
I found it a "Game Changer", was on MPH for many years (I am in my early 50's FWIW) - and granted, that is all that was available until 2021. But with COVID and my ADD I didn't keep up to date on its availability until November 2023.
I did wait a few months as this was the time the shortages over here were bad.

So I kept up with the MPH but it didn't work for me and I would skip doses and not really enjoy taking it at all.

Then I found out that Vyvanse was finally available and the shortage was over, I asked my doc if I could try it instead of the MPH and Doc was only too happy for me to proceed at the 30mg dose.
This obviously was great until month three when there was another shortage and I had to request Amfexa 10mg instead.
Even though the Amfexa is the proper thing I still preferred the "delivery system" and strength of the Vyvanse and was so pleased when it finally was back in stock.
I do live in "fear" every month when requesting a new script that there will be no supply, but this is my ADD screwing with me so I just make the call to the pharmacy and the doc and get it done.

I also would attempt to take " a day off " here and there, but I could feel that I needed this medication daily (as prescribed) to function at a level that I was looking for since childhood that I thought wasn't possible.
If I don't take it every day I feel "miserable" and kind of "traumatic" for the silliest reasons. If you have ADD/ADHD you would know what I mean.

but I digress too...

The above is why I am interested in the volumetric dosing thread.

The info you have given all of us here on BL in this thread is very valuable and I am looking forward to testing it out.

I just need to go buy a syringe. (something I have never really possessed) - that will have to wait till tomorrow though.

Will give an update on how it went once I have tried by following your steps above.

Thanks again very much appreciated.

SL
 
This is a great guide, I remember using volumetric dosing for both Etizolam and flubromazolam powder when it was still legal here.

I had to be taught how to do it and wish this guide was around when I did. I had to use propylene glycol to dissolve them, but luckily had and have loads where I make my own vape juice.

I would make a 1MG/ML solution so it was easy to measure out, I would buy a 250MG bag and add it to 250ML propylene glycol in a larger measuring glass, agitate the solution until everything was dissolved fully, then return it to the PG bottle with a funnel. I would then obviously label the PG bottle with what substance was in it, as I would not want to confuse it with one of my normal PG bottles I used to make my juice.

I went a bit mental with it though and would do 5MG of Etizolam a day, or a few MG of flubromazolam.
 
Hey guys, I'm stoked that you're getting something out of this little guide.

@shreddedlettuce something I should have mentioned: you can get an oral syringe from pretty much any pharmacy. If you ask the pharmacist, they will generally just give you one for free. You can use the story: "My Grandmother takes this liquid medication and she has hidden/lost the measuring device. It was an oral syringe and it went up to 10ml" - though I've never been turned down just by asking for a 10ml oral syringe either.

If you don't feel like doing that, they are usually for sale, sometimes in the baby section at pharmacies for a few dollars. Just make sure you get the syringe and not the "spoon" measurement device. You will know what I'm talking about when you see it.
 
@shreddedlettuce something I should have mentioned: you can get an oral syringe from pretty much any pharmacy. If you ask the pharmacist, they will generally just give you one for free. You can use the story: "My Grandmother takes this liquid medication and she has hidden/lost the measuring device. It was an oral syringe and it went up to 10ml" - though I've never been turned down just by asking for a 10ml oral syringe either.

If you don't feel like doing that, they are usually for sale, sometimes in the baby section at pharmacies for a few dollars. Just make sure you get the syringe and not the "spoon" measurement device. You will know what I'm talking about when you see it.

Thanks, but I am sorted. Got a 5ml Syringe no problem.
Just waiting on my refill before I try.

Don't want to mess up the 2 capsules I have left.

Will definitely update you once I get my refill in the next few days.

Glad you are stoked about this sticky thread, me too.
 
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Update -@ Keif' Richards

Just a few questions.

1. What "vessel" is best?
2. How long to mix and with what instrument?

I gave it a try and screwed up........... :oops: - not a "train smash" as I rectified the mistake by just taking the balance .... I misread the syringe and saw of the 5ml I took 40mg instead of 30mg (there was 1ml of air which I didn't see initially, so I just took the rest and am updating this with the above questions as there was still sediment in the small clear glass I used (as a vessel) and before attempting again I just had to ask. The title does have the word "idiot" in it so I don't feel that bad. :p
 
Update -@ Keif' Richards

Just a few questions.

1. What "vessel" is best?
2. How long to mix and with what instrument?

I gave it a try and screwed up........... :oops: - not a "train smash" as I rectified the mistake by just taking the balance .... I misread the syringe and saw of the 5ml I took 40mg instead of 30mg (there was 1ml of air which I didn't see initially, so I just took the rest and am updating this with the above questions as there was still sediment in the small clear glass I used (as a vessel) and before attempting again I just had to ask. The title does have the word "idiot" in it so I don't feel that bad. :p
I think I worked it out.. so no worries. Just took a little bit of creative but logical thinking.

All good.
 
Awesome thread here, would this also work for Oxycodone IR 15mg tablets and OxyContin 20mg tablets?
 
I've had a lot of requests recently for information regarding Volumetric Dosing. Instead of replying to all of the threads individually, I thought I would just make a dedicated thread to the process. I believe it's an important skill for any person who uses drugs regularly.

What is Volumetric Dosing?

Volumetric Dosing is a process by which we are able to modify the potency of a given substance to suit our needs. See, pharmaceuticals, as we all know, come in predetermined dosing units. The most common way that a person might modify the strength of a given substance would be to break a pill in half or into quarters. Still, we are limited in what we are able to do simply by breaking tablets into pieces. Volumetric Dosing allows us to produce our own dosage units. With Volumetric Dosing, a person can make infinitely smaller dosage units if needed.

The Process

- Oral Syringe with Milliliter Units on the side of the barrel
- A vessel for containing the solution
- Water, preferably sterile, especially if keeping the solution for extended periods of time

Let's say a person has an 8mg Buprenorphine tablet. This is a common request in the forums, so this will be our example. This person is doing a slow taper and they want dosing units of 0.25mg. How do we accomplish this? It's easy. This can be done with tablets, films or anything soluble in water.

Crush the tablet into a powder in the bottom of your vessel. This could be a drinking glass, for example.

Take your oral syringe. Draw up 8ml of water. Squirt this water into your vessel with your crushed Buprenorphine tablet. Mix until everything is in solution (mixed up). You now draw this solution back up into the syringe. You now have a solution in which each Ml contains 1mg Buprenorphine. We arent' done yet though, as we need to go smaller still.

Draw up 8ml more of water. Squirt this into your vessel containing your solution and mix again. Now, in your vessel, you have a solution in which each Ml contains 0.5mg Buprenorphine. Repeat this process a third time and you will now have 24ml total of solution. Each Ml now contains exactly 0.25mg Buprenorphine as desired.

When you're ready to take a dose, you simply take your syringe, draw up a single Ml of your solution and squirt it under your tongue. It will be absorbed as usual. In fact, having the drug already in solution will make the sublingual absorption process even faster.

As you can all see, this process allows us to make infinitely smaller units of dosing. This is incredibly useful for people needing to do slow tapers like our example here. This process can be performed with any drug that is water soluble; the majority of drugs out there that are commonly used are going to be water soluble.

If you end up needing to perform this process with a substance that is not soluble in water, like most Benzodiazepines for instance, you just have to determine the correct vehicle for the substance. Some substances are soluble in Alcohol or Propylene Glycol and so on. The process is just as easy once you determine the correct vehicle for your substance.

Furthermore, this is not very "clinical" or "scientific" but you can probably make an effective solution of a Benzodiazepine using only water. You just have to agitate the solution each time you use it. I hope this helps. Anyone with questions, feel free.
Vodka works well for making benzo solution.
 
Awesome thread here, would this also work for Oxycodone IR 15mg tablets and OxyContin 20mg tablets?
Yes. It will work with any water soluble drug. But, in the case of the OxyContin, you will need to break the time release, which I don’t believe anyone has developed a perfect at home system for yet. And whenever you’re using pills that are mostly filler/binder, I recommend filtering most of that junk out. You can do this by crushing IR pills into a fine powder, putting them in doubled up coffee filters, and rinsing at least three times with the bare minimum of water you need to fully cover the powder - stir well. Make sure to keep the water as that has your oxy in it. If you use too much water, you can put it in a shallow bowl & evaporate it on minimum heat (50C) in the oven or by setting it on a radiator in the path of a fan, then add the exact amount of water you want once it’s dry. Again, you want to use the bare minimum amount of water to rinse out the bowl three times.
 
Update -@ Keif' Richards

Just a few questions.

1. What "vessel" is best?
2. How long to mix and with what instrument?

I gave it a try and screwed up........... :oops: - not a "train smash" as I rectified the mistake by just taking the balance .... I misread the syringe and saw of the 5ml I took 40mg instead of 30mg (there was 1ml of air which I didn't see initially, so I just took the rest and am updating this with the above questions as there was still sediment in the small clear glass I used (as a vessel) and before attempting again I just had to ask. The title does have the word "idiot" in it so I don't feel that bad. :p
I like using 30-60ml liquid vitamin bottles that have a built-in eyedropper with units marked on the side.
 
Yes. It will work with any water soluble drug. But, in the case of the OxyContin, you will need to break the time release, which I don’t believe anyone has developed a perfect at home system for yet. And whenever you’re using pills that are mostly filler/binder, I recommend filtering most of that junk out. You can do this by crushing IR pills into a fine powder, putting them in doubled up coffee filters, and rinsing at least three times with the bare minimum of water you need to fully cover the powder - stir well. Make sure to keep the water as that has your oxy in it. If you use too much water, you can put it in a shallow bowl & evaporate it on minimum heat (50C) in the oven or by setting it on a radiator in the path of a fan, then add the exact amount of water you want once it’s dry. Again, you want to use the bare minimum amount of water to rinse out the bowl three times.
Wouldn't it also work(maybe better/easier) just to crush em up toss into cup of water wait awhile, maybe even act as if it's CWE then pour that into another cup but with cheese cloth on top to collect said binders? Because the oxy will become the water, either way correct?
 
I like using 30-60ml liquid vitamin bottles that have a built-in eyedropper with units marked on the side.

2 and a half short questions

1. Do you swirl it to mix and if not how to you manage to get the best distribution per ml?

2. Do you store it in the refridgerator?

And thanks for you answer in the quote
 
Wouldn't it also work(maybe better/easier) just to crush em up toss into cup of water wait awhile, maybe even act as if it's CWE then pour that into another cup but with cheese cloth on top to collect said binders? Because the oxy will become the water, either way correct?
That works too, but you should really use coffee filters because cheese cloth is not fine enough.
 
2 and a half short questions

1. Do you swirl it to mix and if not how to you manage to get the best distribution per ml?

2. Do you store it in the refridgerator?

And thanks for you answer in the quote
Yes (although mixing isn’t usually necessary I like to be extra thorough) and yes. Another thing you can do is substitute vodka for some or all of the water to inhibit microbial growth.
 
I've had a lot of requests recently for information regarding Volumetric Dosing. Instead of replying to all of the threads individually, I thought I would just make a dedicated thread to the process. I believe it's an important skill for any person who uses drugs regularly.

What is Volumetric Dosing?

Volumetric Dosing is a process by which we are able to modify the potency of a given substance to suit our needs. See, pharmaceuticals, as we all know, come in predetermined dosing units. The most common way that a person might modify the strength of a given substance would be to break a pill in half or into quarters. Still, we are limited in what we are able to do simply by breaking tablets into pieces. Volumetric Dosing allows us to produce our own dosage units. With Volumetric Dosing, a person can make infinitely smaller dosage units if needed.

The Process

- Oral Syringe with Milliliter Units on the side of the barrel
- A vessel for containing the solution
- Water, preferably sterile, especially if keeping the solution for extended periods of time

Let's say a person has an 8mg Buprenorphine tablet. This is a common request in the forums, so this will be our example. This person is doing a slow taper and they want dosing units of 0.25mg. How do we accomplish this? It's easy. This can be done with tablets, films or anything soluble in water.

Crush the tablet into a powder in the bottom of your vessel. This could be a drinking glass, for example.

Take your oral syringe. Draw up 8ml of water. Squirt this water into your vessel with your crushed Buprenorphine tablet. Mix until everything is in solution (mixed up). You now draw this solution back up into the syringe. You now have a solution in which each Ml contains 1mg Buprenorphine. We arent' done yet though, as we need to go smaller still.

Draw up 8ml more of water. Squirt this into your vessel containing your solution and mix again. Now, in your vessel, you have a solution in which each Ml contains 0.5mg Buprenorphine. Repeat this process a third time and you will now have 24ml total of solution. Each Ml now contains exactly 0.25mg Buprenorphine as desired.

When you're ready to take a dose, you simply take your syringe, draw up a single Ml of your solution and squirt it under your tongue. It will be absorbed as usual. In fact, having the drug already in solution will make the sublingual absorption process even faster.

As you can all see, this process allows us to make infinitely smaller units of dosing. This is incredibly useful for people needing to do slow tapers like our example here. This process can be performed with any drug that is water soluble; the majority of drugs out there that are commonly used are going to be water soluble.

If you end up needing to perform this process with a substance that is not soluble in water, like most Benzodiazepines for instance, you just have to determine the correct vehicle for the substance. Some substances are soluble in Alcohol or Propylene Glycol and so on. The process is just as easy once you determine the correct vehicle for your substance.

Furthermore, this is not very "clinical" or "scientific" but you can probably make an effective solution of a Benzodiazepine using only water. You just have to agitate the solution each time you use it. I hope this helps. Anyone with questions, feel free.
Once AGAIN my man Keith Richard's coming down on us hard with these little beautiful dazzling drops of knowledge. We appreciate you Keith, thank you. You do so much for this community
 
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