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Heroin 6th day into withdrawal. When can I use again

jaycn

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I'm on my 6th day of cold turkey withdrawal from heroin. All the bad body symptoms are almost gone (vomiting, diarrhea, restless legs.. you name them). Still can't eat or have to force me to but that's basically it.
Question is: am I completely detoxed aka clean already? Since I have 4 bags of H laying around.. I am curious at which day after my last dosage (6 days now) am I able to use it again? If I don't wanna get physically addicted again, how long would I have to wait before I can use it again?
Plan is to only use it every other weekend, ofc ;)
 
No way. Not even close. 6 days after your last use, you're not even done with the acute-withdrawal phase, let alone totally detoxed. You are still physically addicted so using again would absolutely set you back. It takes at least a couple weeks- a month to be totally physically detoxed, and even then, while in the post-acute phase, it would only take a couple days of using again to get you re-dependnent just like you where before.

And also your plan to only use on the weekend.... yeah.. good luck with that. You're not even a full week into your detox and your already planning on getting high again..?

Good luck, man.
 
No I am not a troll. Opiate noob, yeah might fit. I was on it for 9 months. Quit cold turkey for 1 month. Relapsed for 2 weeks. Now back into cold turkey and on my 6th day.

I know that I am still totally addicted to this. Need to get to the bottom of it first, I fear. Whatever does the trick.
But right now I still love this shit. I am simply annoyed by the fact that one gets physically addicted so fast. Which ends in not feeling anything but normal on what was once a absolutely sufficient dosage for a very nice H high.

So what my ill sober mind tries to tell me is that one week of soberness must be enough to a) get over physical addiction and b) get a decent high from a normal dosage due to drop of tolerance and then quit for at least 72hrs
 
So what my ill sober mind tries to tell me is that one week of soberness must be enough to a) get over physical addiction and b) get a decent high from a normal dosage due to drop of tolerance and then quit for at least 72hrs

a.) It's not.
b.) Yes, after 6 days, your tolerance will have definitely dropped and you'll feel the dope more.. but that doesn't last long. Your tolerance will just shoot right back up within a couple days. Many people also OD this way, thinking they can use a certain amount, don't account for how low their tolerance got, and drop.
 
It's the vicious cycle of addiction. You stop, you start, you stop, you start. And meanwhile your life is passing you by. All you're thinking about is the stuff. Nothing else. Not cultivating healthy relationships, not making a worthwhile & satisfying career, not getting educated, not pursuing hobbies & interests, not going places and enjoying, not having good sex, not saving your money.

Ask yourself: is H really the only thing you want out of life? There's so much more. But H takes everything, it overrides everything, you can have nothing else and even then it hurts you badly again and again, like a abusive spouse.

Mind you I totally understand you - this describes my life to a tee with alcohol before I got sober. Yet every single day I want to go back to it. But I know that if I do it will take over my life and destroy everything I've worked hard to build since I got sober. You can't just "do it every other weekend". It doesn't work that way. You're in for a lifelong struggle but you can do it. You're stronger than it. H is a motherfucker that is trying to ruin your life. Look upon it with contempt and don't let it win. It's working out right now to try to come and kick your ass into submission. Fight it. Never let it in again.

Destroy your stash, flush it away, don't even think - just do it. It will call your name until you get tired of hearing it beg you to use it. Disassociate yourself from those around you who use. They're not your friends, they're your enablers. They want you to share in their misery.

Good luck man
 
^^ Perfect post.


Jaycn, i would rarely say this, but i think you're one of the rare people that has decent control. You say you used for 9 months then quit cold turkey for a month, relapsed and then now you're again 6 days cold turkey ? That's pretty awesome man i couldn't do that. If you're destined on using, FORCE yourself to not use more than once every other week. Never closer than a week and a half apart...

What you're attempting almost NEVER works because people can't be patient and not use, don't get cocky, but good luck bro.

And i would probably wait atleast 15 more days before you use again, and only ONE SHOT. DON'T GET COCKY.
 
beekr, I fully agree with you.

And I want to make a statement that a lot of people (non-addicts or addicted to legal substances) tell me off for. A lot of the misery is caused exclusively by the lifestyle one must live in order to use illegal substances. And that lifestyle also causes a higher incidence of addiction following. Opioids are the perfect example. You don't have to shoot heroin to be an opioid addict, but nonetheless your actions are illegal at some point during your use. You're constantly in possession of controlled substance(s) which makes your every day life full of stress, because any time you may be charged only for doing something only to yourself. Also, the fact that the substance you use is controlled or illegal makes it price high inappropriately to the costs of making it. This in effect drives the black market, because it's a lucrative business for people who are ready to take a higher risk when the money is good.

What does an addict do when you tell him/her that they may be thrown into prison? They take more to escape that thought, because adding another stressful thought adds to the chaos in their heads instead of stabilizing it. And most of the war on drugs is wrong in that way. People who fight drugs for whatever reason can't see the perspective of an addicted person. The more stress you plant into the life of an addict, the less chance they recognize their problem. It's hard to recognize one problem, when your focus is immediately thrown at another problem. Too many problems!

Now, does maintenance treatment directly make me less addicted? Definitely neither psychologically nor physically, my addiction is just stabilized (I'm on Suboxone, I can still draw some positive effects from it, I haven't changed my mind on how opioids soothe my nerves etc., thus psychological bonds to opioid use are still strong, if someone took it away from me, I would be in misery again, and so on). People get addicted to drugs considered less addictive than methadone and when they have to look for their drug of choice on the black market, their life is definitely more chaotic than the life of a patient on maintenance. I'm not advocating allowing mass addiction, because this is an ill state of mind and you can imagine what would happen if everyone on Earth was high all the time on heroin or cocaine. There are mutual relations that can't be cancelled or substituted, so radical thinking isn't right (war on drugs is just the other end of this stick). The society's view on drugs should be redefined to solve the problem with addictions.

If I sound vaguely, excuse me, I'm sleepless for quite a long time.:p
 
I believe there is only addiction. "Mental" vs "physical" are widely used terms that go completely unnoticed, masking denial in plain sight.
 
october 18th was my last dose and i still have dreams about it. so, imo, don't do it on day seven. don't do it on any day unless you're ready to get back into the shitty lifestyle of hunting down a fix before you're stuck in the bathroom, sweating/puking/shitting your face off.
 
Adder, i disagree..then how do you apply that theory to all of those who ARE addicted to oxycodone that is legally prescribed? Maybe i am misunderstanding..are you basically saying that people become addicted to opiates/opioids due to the stress the experience in obtaining/using them?
 
I believe there is only addiction. "Mental" vs "physical" are widely used terms that go completely unnoticed, masking denial in plain sight.

I think that some people refer to physical dependence as being physically dependent, and mental addiction as regular addiction.
 
missmeyet?, no, definitely not. I mean that the fact that the drug of (ab)use is illegal largely dictates the lifestyle. Some factors attributing are legal status of drugs, high prices, availability (contrary to the popular belief, it's not easy for some people to get drugs), and stigmatization. And if you want to relate this to a person who is legally prescribed oxycodone or any other opioid for pain - it's much easier for such a person to maintain stable life than for a person addicted to heroin. The access to a drug doesn't necessarily have to be a doctor, it's simply best when it's stable and it prompts no or little legal effect, so generally when it makes a person feel calm about the use. I'm not implying that getting addicted is more difficult when you're prescribed opioids. But even if you get addicted and tolerant, and you need more than you're prescribed, still you need to get less to satisfy your needs than if you weren't prescribed anything (at some point of tolerance the prescribed dose may be insignificant, I know).

I will give myself as an example. When I started with codeine, at most a pharmacist could refuse to sell the pills, so this prompted fear of having to visit multiple pharmacies being in withdrawal. When I used morphine, I had a steady supply, there was little chance I couldn't get it and it was safe. My life in addiction was the most chaotic when I had to travel 200km every week to get heroin for another week, meeting with dealers and injecting in public places was exposing myself to a possible arrest. Sometimes there were shortages of heroin, and it wasn't a cheap drug to begin with. When I was getting methadone (not being a patient of MMT), my life was much more stable, because it was cheaper per week, I would have had to be extremely careless to get arrested, but still there were some variables that could leave me without methadone for a week or two, and stocking up didn't make me calm at all. Now I'm on Suboxone, I have a steady supply, I can get a dose increase if I need to and nobody will see me as inferior, it's covered from my insurance, so it costs me much much less than methadone cost me, and with my current dose even if I somehow got kicked out I would still have enough to taper down with very little or no true withdrawal. You could say Suboxone is not heroin, but people get methadone in a similar manner, and a lot of them are high off it all the time (and if they drop some anticholinergic or antihistamine, or clonazepam to go along with it, they're more than happy).


When I wrote that an addict told that he/she may be thrown into prison would react by taking more drugs not to think about it, I was actually touching another topic which is how to make addicts realize their addiction is destroying. And I was paraphrasing Ruth Dreifuss. It's simply a wrong approach adding another problem to think about.

PS. I'm not really writing this meaning myself. Right now I'm more than fine with Suboxone and I kind of smoked it to the filter, so I'm not able to get from opioids as much as I could in the past compared to downsides of use. I mean generally that the current ways of fighting addiction is illogical even if it seems reasonable at first glance.
 
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I think that some people refer to physical dependence as being physically dependent, and mental addiction as regular addiction.

I agree...there is a definite distinction between the two. Of course the physical addiction being the need your body has for the drug once it becomes accustomed to having it and then requiring it to function "normally". Mental addiction is many different thing, becoming accustomed to it being part of a daily routine, your brain convincing you it is required to function, remembering the pleasure it brings, all the things one experiences that is not included in the physical symptoms.
 
I think that some people refer to physical dependence as being physically dependent, and mental addiction as regular addiction.

I agree...there is a definite distinction between the two. Of course the physical addiction being the need your body has for the drug once it becomes accustomed to having it and then requiring it to function "normally". Mental addiction is many different thing, becoming accustomed to it being part of a daily routine, your brain convincing you it is required to function, remembering the pleasure it brings, all the things one experiences that is not included in the physical symptoms.
 
not to sound dickish but what you're contemplating aint gonna work. I've sat in detox's for a week and the moment i started to feel better, i was already planning my next drink, begging to leave the hospital and I followed through with those plans. Now i sit here drinking waiting on some smoke. Vicious cycle.
 
I appreciate all comments made. I know some or the most of you have a lot of years of own experience to contribute when it comes to substance abuse. Thanks!

So, I snorted ~300mg over 12hrs on my 8th day of withdrawal. It was a great high. Quite a rush followed by an energetic part when I was able to get some shit done. Like make some calls, buy food. Later that night when all was snorted I laid to bed and nodded while leaving the TV on. I really enjoyed it. All fine except for the fact that I could not sleep a single hour that night. I was completely fucked up the next day. Smoking weed didn't help much either.
But I made it through that day without getting any withdrawals. Had a couple of beer and popped some Ativan for the night. And finally got some good sleep.
Now, here we are. I feel fine. No flu like symptoms, no diarrhea.
I have to get to work tomorrow. 18hrs from now. Fuck, I am bored as hell and still got 1,7g #3 left.
 
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