5 years for $32 worth of salvia?!

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Feature: Prosecutors Want Five Years for North Dakota Man Who Bought $32 Worth of Salvia Divinorum on eBay
Drug War Chronicle
8.15.08



Kenneth Rau, the Bismarck, North Dakota, man who suffers the dubious distinction of being the first person in the United States prosecuted under laws criminalizing the possession of salvia divinorum, has been offered a plea deal under which he would serve five years in state prison, he told the Chronicle this week.

Salvia is not illegal under federal law. The DEA considers salvia a drug of interest, but despite several years of observation has yet to move to place it under the Controlled Substances Act. A DEA spokesman told the Chronicle recently that the plant is being reviewed to see if it meets the criteria for inclusion on the list of controlled substances.

But driven by little more than the now infamous YouTube videos of young people under the influence acting strangely and the story of one Delaware youth whose parents blamed his suicide on salvia, state legislators have not waited for the DEA's measured considerations to act. Since Delaware became the first state to ban salvia, at least eight others, including North Dakota, followed suit. Moves are currently afoot in a number of other states to join the club, with Florida and Virginia being the latest states to pass laws criminalizing the plant.

Salvia became illegal in North Dakota on last August 1, after a bill sponsored by three Republican lawmakers, state Sens. Dave Oelke and Randel Christmann and state Rep. Brenda Heller, sailed through the legislature earlier that year. None of the three legislators responded to Chronicle requests for comment this week.

Rau has said he did not know the drug was now illegal when he bid on an eight-ounce bunch of salvia leaves and was pleasantly surprised when his $32 bid came in highest. The local TV station's web site has inadvertently supported Rau's contention. When the Chronicle first wrote about Rau's case in April, that site's online version of the news report about Rau's arrest was still pulling up salvia ads by Google. (From the east coast at least it is still doing so as of this writing.) Rau emailed the link to Drug War Chronicle, proving that the salvia ads are showing up on computers in North Dakota.

Burleigh County States Attorney Cynthia Feland did not respond to Chronicle calls seeking confirmation or denial of the plea deal. Rau said the deal was offered through his attorney, Benjamin Pulkrabek, from just across the Missouri River in Mandan.

"My lawyer told me she offered me five years if I pleaded guilty," said Rau. "He said he didn't think I would take it, but he had to ask. He was right -- I am not going to accept that. I just don't think depriving someone of his freedom for some dried plant leaves is right."

Rau, a bottling plant worker with an interest in herbalism, altered states, and religion and spirituality, was arrested by Bismarck police on April 9 when they searched his home looking for his adult son, who was on probation for drug charges. Police found a marijuana pipe, eight ounces of salvia leaf, a quantity of amanita muscaria mushrooms, and a number of other herbal products.

Although Rau bought the salvia leaf on eBay for $32, he faces a possible 20-year sentence after being charged with possession of the now controlled substance with the intent to distribute, based on prosecutors' assertions that the leaf contained hundreds of possible doses. He also faces a marijuana possession charge for the pipe. Although prosecutors originally charged him with possession of psilocybin because of his amanita muscaria mushrooms, they have since figured out that amanita does not contain psilocybin and have dropped that charge.

Salvia divinorum, a member of the Mexican mint family, has been used by Mazatec shamans for hundreds of years. Smoking or chewing the leaves, or more commonly, concentrated extracts, can produce intense, albeit short-lived hallucinogenic experiences. While the plant has become notorious through YouTube videos of young people smoking it and behaving strangely, it is also of interest to "psychonauts," or people attempting to explore consciousness through herbal means.

Researchers say that while salvia's effects on consciousness may be disquieting, the plant has not been shown to be toxic to humans, its effects are so potent it is unlikely to be used repeatedly, and its active property, salvinorin A, could assist in the development of medicines for mood disorders.

Daniel Siebert is a salvia researcher and host of the salvia information web site Sage Wisdom. In Siebert's view, while salvia should be subject to some sort of regulation, sending someone like Rau to prison for years for possessing it is almost obscene.

I think salvia should be regulated in the same way we regulate alcohol," he said. "Its effects are quite different, but there are some parallels in terms of the possible dangers from its use. Like alcohol, people can exhibit dangerous behavior if they take excessively high doses. That's why we prohibit driving while intoxicated or allowing minors to drink. But it's obvious that many, many people can enjoy alcohol without getting into trouble with it, and they should not be subjected to harsh penalties. Neither should adults who want to use salvia."

Not that the drug will ever be a popular recreational drug, he said. "Salvia can be very strange and interesting, but it's not something most people consider fun, it's not a recreational kind of experience," he said. "Most people find it bewildering; it's not something most people are motivated to repeat. It won't ever become a popular drug. The main reason people seem interested in it is because the media keeps putting out these sensational stories comparing it to LSD or marijuana. That creates a misleading impression, and people who try salvia expecting something like that are usually disappointed."

"Siebert was sympathetic to Rau's predicament. "I'm shocked and appalled that they can put people in prison for using salvia for personal use," he said. "The drug had just been made illegal there, and he says he didn't know it was illegal. I think that's believable -- most people wouldn't know about an obscure law being passed."

Kenneth Rau now faces a lonely struggle. North Dakota is not noted for its abundance of attorneys skilled in defending cases involving arcane plants, and national organizations have yet to respond to his entreaties for help, Rau said.

Still, Rau is trying to get a defense together. "I'm hoping to take depositions from people like Dr. Andrew Weil or Daniel Siebert or other experts," he said. "I'm looking for attorneys in their vicinities who might be willing to take a deposition."

And he hinted that he may also attempt a jury nullification strategy. "My defense will be to fall back on the fact that the jury is the ultimate judge of the law," he said. "They don't have to listen to the judge; they have the power. Let the jury decide what kind of state they want to live in," he said.

No trial date has been set yet. In the meantime, Rau continues working full-time for a soft drink bottler and subjecting himself to court-ordered humiliations. "I'm trying to live my life," he said. "I've got a full-time time job and another one on the weekends. I also have to take pee tests twice a week and pay them $26 a week for that privilege, on top of trying to pay for lawyers."

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This is insane. 5 years for such a harmless drug; and insisting on an intent to distribute charge. insane.
 
Although Rau bought the salvia leaf on eBay for $32, he faces a possible 20-year sentence after being charged with possession of the now controlled substance with the intent to distribute, based on prosecutors' assertions that the leaf contained hundreds of possible doses. He also faces a marijuana possession charge for the pipe. Although prosecutors originally charged him with possession of psilocybin because of his amanita muscaria mushrooms, they have since figured out that amanita does not contain psilocybin and have dropped that charge.

20 years for some dried fucking leaves? judicial system is fucking skewed man. murderers and rapists dont serve that much time. someone in my family robbed 17 banks and shot at a cop and only got 6 years. something has to be changed about the way we penalize people for substances.
 
That is crazy...

and salvia off of ebay?...the 'drug' is really not worth the shipping charge lol if there's none being sold close to him
 
phrozen said:
I wonder what he would have been offered if he was black?

I think in North Dakota he'd have been used as a museum or zoo specimen, I don't think the cops would have known what he was.
 
Well...

I'll say it.
I think this is GREAT! Not that he's charged - but that the media bias is showing the drug laws to be completely ludicrous and insane.

They don't even say Salvia caused the suicide that spurred the legislation - only that the parents contend that it did.

This is a GREAT article - and one that will hopefully get people thinking.

As for the rest... GOOD FOR HIM! for fighting.
He should attempt to enter a demurrer plea and raise his rights to property. I'd have to double check the ND Constitution, but I'm pretty sure the legislature can't deprive people of their property by the twist of a pen...
 
Well... @#%&.

ND Constitution - list of rights... it's the first one...

Section 1. All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain
inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring,
possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness;

and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for
lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.


Sounds like an Unconstitutional law to me...
Infringement upon his right to possess and acquire property.
Back to that idea of a demurrer....
 
Posted last night, here;
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=305324

I just sent this off - it would be MUCH MUCH better in the defendant's hands...
And his attorney should be advising him to enter a demurrer plea - and file a motion to dismiss based on the illegitimate claim against his property by the state.
If you accept the authority to "regulate" and "prohibit" the possession of property you have purchased, you voluntarily waive all rights to that property.
Forget not knowing the law, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

And for some fun stuff - head over to http://ddeal.us and let me know what you think.

To: U.S. District Attorney Richard James Riha
IF THIS EMAIL WAS DIRECTED TO THE WRONG PERSON PLEASE FORWARD TO THE APPROPRIATE RECIPIENT OR TO CYNTHIA FELAND.

This is in regards to your case against Kenneth Rau.

While the debate may rage on regarding the affects of Salvia Divinorum, the important facts here are being ignored.
This man was taken from his home (kidnapped) for possessing property he had consensually acquired without violating another's rights.

The law itself is a criminal attempt to deprive Kenneth of his rights of property without due process. I would refer you to section 1 of the North Dakota Constitution;

Section 1. All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain
inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring,
possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness;
and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for
lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.

Rights cannot be overcome by mere acts of legislation - and the government agents infringing upon his rights and liberties are in violation of federal laws, namely Title 18 sections 241 and 242.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/caseco...ction_241.html

You are clearly a part of this conspiracy - to deprive Kenneth of his property rights, and are doing so knowingly and without hesitation or regard for his rights, under color of law.
There can be no lawful authority to try a man for possessing his private property, yet that is precisely the course of action you are taking in this case.

I urge you to reconsider your part in this matter, and make the judge aware that they are operating without jurisdiction as there is no plaintiff with standing in this case; no party with rights that have been violated granting standing.

"And a definition which we consider appropriate and fully sustained is that judicial power is authority vested in some court, officer, or person to hear and determine when the rights of persons or property, or the propriety of doing an act, are the subject-matter of adjudication." State v. Blaisdell, 132 N.W. 769, 773.

"Standing in no way depends on the merits of the plaintiff's contention that particular conduct is illegal." Watkins v. Resorts Intern. Hotel & Casino, 591 A.2d 592, 601 (N.J. 1991).

Without jurisdiction, the judge is operating without judicial immunity.
This would be wise to bring to their attention prior to making the grave mistake of carrying out the crimes associated with the threats and deprivations already lavished upon this man who is guilty of nothing other than exercising his fundamental property rights without special permission from the privileged state.
 
Wondering when they would try to make an example of someone.

phrozen said:
Although prosecutors originally charged him with possession of psilocybin because of his amanita muscaria mushrooms, they have since figured out that amanita does not contain psilocybin and have dropped that charge.
That is fucking classic
 
This whole 5 year thing is just posturing for the media. No judge in his right mind would ever sentence the kid for that long. He will probably get off with probation.
 
Nickatina said:
This whole 5 year thing is just posturing for the media. No judge in his right mind would ever sentence the kid for that long. He will probably get off with probation.

That's irrelevant.
What did the guy do that was wrong?

Why should he even be placed on probation?

What happened to a free society? That happened to human rights and property rights?

Isn't the whole thing getting OBVIOUSLY out of hand at this point?
 
Ham-milton said:
This is insane. 5 years for such a harmless drug; and insisting on an intent to distribute charge. insane.

Well, you know, until now I thought the drug war made a lot of sense 8) ;)
 
Kalash said:
That's irrelevant.
What did the guy do that was wrong?

Why should he even be placed on probation?

What happened to a free society? That happened to human rights and property rights?

Isn't the whole thing getting OBVIOUSLY out of hand at this point?

Dude, I agree, and I think everyone on this board knows how you feel about the drug laws. I'm just saying that he's not going to get the time. It's not irrelevant because as much as the law is utterly wrong, there isn't jack shit we can do to change it at this point.
 
Nickatina said:
Dude, I agree, and I think everyone on this board knows how you feel about the drug laws. I'm just saying that he's not going to get the time. It's not irrelevant because as much as the law is utterly wrong, there isn't jack shit we can do to change it at this point.

I can't give in to your defeatist attitude.
:P

The government is supposed to be subservient to the rights of the people and serve us/our will.
If there's "nothing we can do" then the government has failed us - its intended purpose - and it is our right and duty to alter or abolish it.
As there is nothing we can do - remaining within our powers left to us by the unregulated governmental expansion of powers - then abolishment of the government is our only recourse.

;)

So there's something we can do. It just takes doing something not many people are ready to consider.
However, after the DNC in Denver, I think a lot of people might start swaying towards revolution.
Did you see any of the coverage of the police trapping the 2,000+ protesters between police lines, shooting tear gas and paintballs/rubber bullets at them when they couldn't get away?
Desperate times - and the government is getting desperate attempting to cling to their illegally acquired powers.
 
Kalash, I admire your persistence, but if we were to try and start a revolution we would be playing right into the hands of our government at this point. First of all we are not allowed automatic or heavy artillery. Secondly the only organized force in this country would be the Army and their branches. Furthermore, there are executive orders in place that only need to be signed for the government to take control of all communications and transportation systems, among others. That is a heavy blow to any attempt to organize any resemblance of an organized militia.

So, hypothetically, say we revolt. How many of us are trained in the art of shooting? How many of us are trained in the art of warfare, nevermind guerrilla warfare? How many people in this country care enough to risk their lives for freedom? So, a small percentage of people revolt, martial law is declared and the country is plunged into an unimaginable police state of epic proportions. If you think we aren't free now, wait until you see what our military is capable of against their own people where systems of surveillance and police are already established.

I am not questioning whether it is legal for them to do this or not. I am saying that they will do it either way. And unfortunately, with the advent of a global economy, this countries own citizens are not as much of a commodity as we were in the past, which makes us expendable. Not the best situation to be in whether we were to revolt with violence or decided to collectively ignore laws.

You would have made a great patriot 100 years ago, but as much as it truly pains it to say it, they have our balls in a vice in the year 2008 and they can tighten it at any time.
 
... that's really depressing.
I'm gonna go back about a minute and a half and unread that.

Nickatina... you suck.
:p


A violent revolution wouldn't work. You're right. Violence wouldn't solve the problems we're currently facing.
But neither does compliance and consent through silence.

Accepting that "YOU CAN'T FIGHT THEM" is paramount to signing away your life... selling your body mind and soul to the government to do with you as they please.

That's voluntary slavery - and I just can't do it. >_<

No - the revolution is already taking place. It's being won one mind at a time. The collective entity of the state is losing willing voluntary hosts, and is coming to be met with the threat of individual reasoning.

The state will struggle for a while - but it will eventually succumb to the persistence of individual viewpoints over the collective concept that it represents.

That's going back to the concepts in the book, "God Wants You Dead"
The state has no inherent power.
It is made up of individuals. Stop trying to change the collective - change the individuals.
It's a slower battle - but there are fewer casualties.

If the military was turned upon the citizens of this country - with the current state of distrust and dissatisfaction with the government, yes... more people would rise and fight.
And I'm guessing many military members would desert or turn on their superiors.

I still hope it doesn't come to that.
 
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