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RCs 4FA and 6APB

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heerutosen

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Hi everyone,

I just ordered these and wan't to try them for the first time soon.

Im planning on dosing either 120mg 4FA or 125mg 6APB (no redoses) at my next festival.

How long after will i be able to sleep on either substance? And can i take mdma the 2nd day if i take one dose of 4-FA? (from my google search 6apb and mdma in the same weekend would be a bad idea similar to rolling both nights)

Are these dosages okay? And how do i perform an allergy test just in case?

Thanks
 
In regards to allergy testing:

via a previous blue light source: (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/379397-HARM-REDUCTION-AND-RC-s)

test a very small dose, by this I mean 1/10 of the reported active dose. look for sensitivity and other adverse effects. if there are nothing of concern then wait for any tolerance to disappear 2-3 days minimum.
then take a small dose, if there are doses reported then take the lower doses reported. during the initial trials do not combine with other drugs including alcohol. if you want to take two doses or a dose and a booster weigh the material and label it before you take the first dose. (weighing stuff whilst intoxicated is probably the most common fuck up). If possible keep notes of the effects of this low dose, if there are any signs of toxicity, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, rapid pulse, high temperature low temperature, difficulty urinating, head aches shaking, tremors, the aura feeling prior to fitting, etc etc take note.

get an accurate balance 1-10mg accuracy or better, they are not expensive, a good balance will cost less than 1g of RC.

if the substance shows serious adverse effects at this low dose, throw it away. period. no ifs, no buts, throw it away and move on.

whether it is positive or negative post your report online, put it in the Trip Reports, you can do this anonymously.[/I]

I'm not crazy about the source of this info, but after reading it, it seems to be pretty on point: (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Safer_Research_Chemical_Users_Guide)

"Many people have drug allergies and it is not unreasonable to assume that you may have an allergy for a compound that has not coexisted with humanity for any evolutionarily appreciable period of time. The trick is how do you find out if you have an allergy or other idiosyncratic reaction to a new compound without being exposed to it? Well unless you are an professional allergist or have a very trusted friend who is one, the odds are you will have to take the compound and see. There certainly are safer ways to do this. This treatise will outline one for water soluble compounds.

Measure out approximately 5 mg. of your material (this does not have to be overly exact as long as it is fairly close to 5 mg., really anywhere from 2-10 mg. is fine). Dissolve your 5 mg. in 1 liter of distilled water and allow to go into solution. Your solution should now have a concentration of approximately 5 µg. / ml. Measure out 1 ml of water and hold it in your mouth for 5-10 minutes to see if any reaction occurs. If not swallow and wait 1 hour to see if any reaction occurs. If no reaction has occurred, repeat the same operation with 2 ml of water. At the end of that hour repeat with 5 ml of water. This can continue along until you reach a level where you are satisfied that you will not have an extreme anaphylactic reaction. Ideally you probably would want to go up to about 1/10th of an active dose or so. The amount required to do this will of course depend on the compound in question and its presumed active dose."
 
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bennyZA said:
In regards to allergy testing:

via a previous blue light source: (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/379397-HARM-REDUCTION-AND-RC-s)

test a very small dose, by this I mean 1/10 of the reported active dose. look for sensitivity and other adverse effects. if there are nothing of concern then wait for any tolerance to disappear 2-3 days minimum.
then take a small dose, if there are doses reported then take the lower doses reported. during the initial trials do not combine with other drugs including alcohol. if you want to take two doses or a dose and a booster weigh the material and label it before you take the first dose. (weighing stuff whilst intoxicated is probably the most common fuck up). If possible keep notes of the effects of this low dose, if there are any signs of toxicity, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, rapid pulse, high temperature low temperature, difficulty urinating, head aches shaking, tremors, the aura feeling prior to fitting, etc etc take note.

get an accurate balance 1-10mg accuracy or better, they are not expensive, a good balance will cost less than 1g of RC.

if the substance shows serious adverse effects at this low dose, throw it away. period. no ifs, no buts, throw it away and move on.

whether it is positive or negative post your report online, put it in the Trip Reports, you can do this anonymously.[/I]

I'm not crazy about the source of this info, but after reading it, it seems to be pretty on point: (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Safer_Research_Chemical_Users_Guide)

"Many people have drug allergies and it is not unreasonable to assume that you may have an allergy for a compound that has not coexisted with humanity for any evolutionarily appreciable period of time. The trick is how do you find out if you have an allergy or other idiosyncratic reaction to a new compound without being exposed to it? Well unless you are an professional allergist or have a very trusted friend who is one, the odds are you will have to take the compound and see. There certainly are safer ways to do this. This treatise will outline one for water soluble compounds.

Measure out approximately 5 mg. of your material (this does not have to be overly exact as long as it is fairly close to 5 mg., really anywhere from 2-10 mg. is fine). Dissolve your 5 mg. in 1 liter of distilled water and allow to go into solution. Your solution should now have a concentration of approximately 5 µg. / ml. Measure out 1 ml of water and hold it in your mouth for 5-10 minutes to see if any reaction occurs. If not swallow and wait 1 hour to see if any reaction occurs. If no reaction has occurred, repeat the same operation with 2 ml of water. At the end of that hour repeat with 5 ml of water. This can continue along until you reach a level where you are satisfied that you will not have an extreme anaphylactic reaction. Ideally you probably would want to go up to about 1/10th of an active dose or so. The amount required to do this will of course depend on the compound in question and its presumed active dose."
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Thanks alot! This really helps :)

Im also having second thoughts on taking 4-fa the first night. I need my sleep if im going to take mdma and i also read it might inhibit my roll. Thanx again
 
4-FA is not fun for concerts, in my experience. It's a pretty garbage RC (aren't 75% of them)! I've never tried 6-APB though.

On the whole allergy test links, I would def read the original posts. There is some great info on RC use in general. I think this part of source 2 is important for you to read about allergies and combos:
Combining 2 relatively unknown compounds is only multiplying the uncertainty factor. There are many examples where both drug A and drug B are fairly safe and tolerable drugs when taken individually, but could lead to serious complications and/or death if combined. In the world of ‘Research Chemicals,’ there appear to have been several deaths from 2C-T-7 in combination with other agents. It could very well be the case that one research chemical could drastically potentiate another when used in combination. If you are considering embarking on any combinations there are few bare minimums you will want to follow. You will minimally want to be familiar with the effects of both compounds in a wide range of doses. You will minimally want to start with ¼ of an active dose of each (or less) for your first attempt at combination. You will want to pay close attention to any unusual side-effects that appear distinct from previous experiences with either agent. It would probably be best practice to treat each combination as if it were a new and untested compound that is being researched for the first time.
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Doesn't this kinda smell like what should I take. But I'm not a mod so..

4-FA is something I've wanted to try for a long time.


And just 6apb? Nothing special, but if it were a 1:1 mixture of 5 and 6 well that's my favourite entactogen (legal and illegal).
 
bennyZA said:
4-FA is not fun for concerts, in my experience. It's a pretty garbage RC (aren't 75% of them)!
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What do you not like about 4-FA? It is my favorite RC stimulant by far. It releases a fair amount of serotonin making it very euphoric and it lasts for a long time so you don't have to redose, to each their own I suppose.
 
Both drugs are very good for concerts. If you want something closer to MDMA with hints of psychedelica effects and *VERY* intense colours (only works if you havent taken any serotonin based drugs in months though in my experience), go for APB. If you want more closer to speed, and very clear headed high with virtually no side effects go for FA.

They are very different compounds, from your post it sounds like you already did some research so I won't explain further.

I personally prefer 4-FA because APB upsets my stomach badly, especially on the comeup then it slowly fades away, also APB is not very stimulating. It's not like you could fall asleep while high on APB, you do feel lots of energy but at the same time you don't feel urge to let the energy out as much as you do on amphetamines.

How soon you can sleep is subjective and heavily dose dependent. When taking 125mg, you could probably sleep some 4 hours after starting to comedown, similarly with APB. If you do take 4-FA though, you will want to redose once or twice which makes sleep difficult 8+ hours after last dose.


bennyZA: True that 75+% of all RCs are garbage, however 4-FA neither 6-APB surely isn't, in fact I'd say they are one of the very best RCs.
 
The two were nothing alike in my experience. 6-Apb is as psychedelic as a full-on mescaline trip while 4-FA is a stimulant/empathogen (much like a speedy MDMA pill, which most of us have taken).

Start with the lowest possible dose and work your way up. 40-50 mg of 4-FA is usually a good starting point (after allergy testing of course). Stay cool and hydrated, as overheating is a real possibility. Electrolyte drinks like Gatorade are good, as is pure water.

4-FA might reduce the potency of MDMA by a little, especially if it's still in your system when you roll. Put a couple days between the two to be sure. I've stayed up for 38 hours on 4-FA, so quit dosing well ahead of your planned sleeping time. Benzos can also help knock you out.
 
From what i was able to find 4-FA and 6-APB are the two most used RC's (Especially in Holland)

On a dutch forum i was recommended to either dose 4FA once on the first night (120mg) and party the rest of the night with residual stimulation. Then the next night do the same and end with some mdma OR take 120 6APB the second night and maybe end on half or a quarter of mdma as it seems to hit alot harder after 6APB.

I really apreciate all the info guys. Especially the allergy test part is very usefull for me. @Benny i won't combine the two together, but from what i have been able to find a small dose of mdma at the end shouldn't cause any trouble. I also won't bring enough with me to redose anything.

@Lady Codone. Everyone on the dutchforums say 120mg of 6apb is barely psychedelic and more mdma like (but longer and less intense) I don't want to end up tripping for the first time at a party. I do want to try a low dose 2CB sometime as i heard it can be used at a party within the 10-15mg range.

Sorry for all the text haha. Thanx again everyone

PS. I won't drink alcohol and will drink around 1 bottle of water every 1.5 hours with cola or juice in between. (no gatorade at the venue)
 
Oh ROXIanne! said:
What do you not like about 4-FA? It is my favorite RC stimulant by far. It releases a fair amount of serotonin making it very euphoric and it lasts for a long time so you don't have to redose, to each their own I suppose.
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It was way to speedy and edgy for me. I was told it would be similar to MDMA, but it felt like all the bad parts of MDMA with a touch of euphoria. None of the things that make MDMA so magical. As you said though, to each his own.
 
What would the prospects of combining say 120mg 4-FA with 25mg 6-APDB be like do we think? Safe?

The euphoria/rush off the 4-FA plus speediness and the trippy loved up off the 6 could be like a really good rave combo no?
 
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